Just looked what it would cost if you get caught doing that here in the Netherlands, answer: 159 euros. Good, but should be higher.
As all fines, it should be income adjusted. I wanna see a 5000€ fine when some rich asshole does this.
Yeah. It’s kind of ignorant to expect the same fine for say a disabled person unable to work who scrapes by on 900 euros a month vs a super wealthy person on 500k euros a year.
Fines shouldn’t really exist anyways. When for one person they’re a random expense that doesn’t even bat an eye vs for another person it means no food for a week.
Even progressive fines are unfair. In that for someone who barely affords food every week losing 2% of your monthly income is devastating. While for a rich person they won’t even notice losing 2% of their income.
What would be the alternative though? Jail would be a bit harsh for a parking violation, and all other punishments I can think of would also be unfair to some people.
- Community work discriminates against the single parent, favoring the childless unemployed.
- Losing the drivers license for a month discriminates against the rural population while city folks can use the bus to get to work. Or even a cab if they’re rich enough.
- Even in jail you would be better off if you are rich, as you can bribe the guards or buy some level of comfort.
Until we get rid of the rich, any punishment will be somewhat biased. But not punishing misdemeanors at all would not really be an option either.
Multiple time offenders should see harsher penalties regardless of what their income is.
Take away their license. If they drive without a license, then they should go to jail.
Being a parent or being disabled is no excuse for multiple parking violations. If you don’t know the law or aren’t patient enough to follow them, then don’t drive. Driving is a privileged, not a right.
Not even progressively larger fines, up to jail time and having your driving licence and car forefeited are proportionate - this still disproportionately affects those less well-off.
Perhaps civil asset and “rights” forefeiture for the rich could be a better solution. With rights I don’t mean human rights, but stuff like being allowed to ride in a car at all (since being rich enough you can hire a chauffeur, even losing your licence isn’t a big deal and you can always rent a car or buy a new one multiplr times over). How this would be implemented (enforced) I don’t know, but it should work. If course it should only be applied to people blatantly disregarding basic civility in traffic and those who don’'t need the car
The rich stay rich by not spending money. They’ll be devastated losing 2% of their income on a fine.
It should be income adjusted up to a certain income amount where it becomes net worth adjusted. This way stocks, land, properties and possessions can be calculated in to make the fines more impactful for the ultra wealthy.
Along with adjustments for not changing behaviors after previous fines.
Adjusted to the initial sale value of the car - Less easy to cheat by not declaring income, and bigger cars (likely more expensive) that take up more space, pay more.
This fails to scale into the millionaire level of wealth. Someone worth 10 or 100 million should be fined 10-100 times the amount of someone that has “just” 1 Million.
Also, realistically there is a cap to the value of a car that someone is gonna just leave parked in a bus lane.
Nobody is going to leave a $40 million Ferrari 250 just sitting somewhere after all
Yeah thats what i meant. A billionaire might drive a sub 100k car.
Fuck a fine. Take their licence and impound their car until they’ve passed a written test.
I agree with that, but can immediately see a loophole in it - that some rich folks are not reporting actual income.
Crushing the car into a 1-metre cube will equalise the pain.
Remember this one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1759791.stm
Reminds me that just recently I heard they equipped busses with automatic “AI assisted” detection in their lanes. In very little time they’ve issued 10k tickets, though.
https://laist.com/news/transportation/la-metro-bus-ai-cameras-transportation
Oh look, a use of AI and surveillance I can actually get being.
We used to just call these “Automated”, nowadays we called everything with slightly automation an “AI”.
I’m just glad they are not calling random stuff “blockchain” anymore
Computer vision is AI and has been called as such for a long time, way before the current wave of AI/LLMs. You can call it whatever you want. An automaton that can sense the environment, read information and make decisions on it is a kind of AI.
A tool is a tool. Main problem are the tools using the tools, usually.
…I can actually get behind that.
Sure, but you’ll get a fine for being in the bus lane.
They’ve had them on busses in London for years now. They seem to be highly effective. I’m not sure if they are fully automated, or driver triggered however. Either way, they have trained people that stopping or using a bus lane is a bad idea.
I feel like if a car is parked in a bus lane or bike lane, people should be allowed to do what they want to it. Sure , go ahead and park there, I’ve got my baseball bat ready.
All it takes is a bit of fines and the issue is fixed
Yeah in the Netherlands nobody would even try to park in a buslane or bicycle path, because you’d either get a fine or you will be towed and that we’ll probably cost you 350 euros or more.
I just broke my arm in 4 pieces because I had to dodge a moron who decided to suddenly park on the bus/bike lane IN A FUCKING TUNNEL
Break my arm in 4 pieces This is my last resort
Are you asking me to?
See also: bike lanes. See also: rideshare/delivery drivers.
If not park, why park shaped?
Why would already parked cars move into the buss lane??
Just equip the buses with snow plows.
And they they get pissed if you tell them
Is there a version of that Casey Neistat video but with buses? Sounds like a fun watch.
Which one? I only recently decided to watch his vids after a decade of hearing that name, it’s interesting.
It’s how he first blew up: Bike Lanes by Casey Neistat
I have only ever seen his bike-related stuff (and accidentally rewatched them all today…), they’re all great!
petition: give buses mad max like front bumper,
a car park in the bus lane gets bulldozed and reported for pickup.
Car owner has to pay for the fee+any damages caused to the bus and its bumper.
