• Refurbished Refurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org
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    James 5:1-6

    Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter.[a] You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.

      • L3ft_F13ld!@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Yeah, I’m not American and English isn’t my first language.

        Because of this I was never aware of how many English translations of the bible there are. I also don’t understand how anyone would want to stick to a translation as old and outdated as the KJV when we have multiple more modern and likely more accurate translations available today.

        Yet SOMEHOW these American conservatives swear by the KJV and refuse to accept that other translations are likely more accurate and better to use.

        Some even believe the KJV is the only perfect translation apparently. No other translation is allowed or even considered. I saw a video of a pastor saying that the KJV fixes the source texts. Wtf kinda logic is that?

        Sorry for the rant. Feel free to ignore it.

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          Don’t apologize, you’re spot on.

          To put it simply, the don’t like the teachings of Jesus. What they want is a metaphysical justification for oppressing other people. It’s a tool of the privileged and the powerful - the very ones Jesus spoke out against. :)

          • L3ft_F13ld!@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            Yeah I recently got into reading my bible more and so far I love what I’m reading about Jesus and his teachings. I think he’d be very upset if he had to meet most of his “followers”, though.

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              Jesus-from-Matthew (you know, the one written closest to the alleged events) is definitely my least-disliked NT main character.

              Too bad Jesus-from-John (and fucking Paul) are who actually gets worshipped.

              The bit where Matthew-Jesus says that preachers are like whitewashed tombs, shining on the outside and crawling with the most disgusting filth on the inside… 🧑🏼‍🍳🤌🏼

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                Mark is the generally-recognized first Gospel to be written, from which Matthew and Luke get some of their material

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                  Ah thank you for the correction.

                  Sorry Chaplain Lent, I made you look bad in front of Lemmy.

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                  Jesus has a massive punishment kink pretty much across the board; for a character who is pitched as bringing universal love, he’s really really into describing exactly how he’s going to throw most people into an endless pit of burning shit.

                  There’s good stuff too, including excellent sales advice (parable of the fig tree, the mustard seeds).

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                Don’t say that too loudly. Most of them have such a hard-on for Roman times and anything military that being called a Roman soldier might just make them think they’re some kind of modern-day warrior instead of recognising it for the insult it’s meant to be.

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      And even if they did, modern Christians just handwave away as meaningless anything in the Old Testament they can’t justify because it’s been “fulfilled by Jesus”.

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          Christian here.

          Yikes.

          I know people like those you describe. They are pieces of shit who wear the Christian label and don’t actually follow any of the teachings.

          Please don’t lump us all in with them.

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      Apparently neither do libs. They NEVER talk about the rampant heresy of fascists. They’re perfectly content with equating religion to MAGA.

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        Oh I went to episcopal school and got tested on my knowledge of the Bible.

        Yes the entire maga movement is a massive violation of the First Commandment, right down to venerating golden idols.

        But Christianity is what Christians do.

        When Quakers became abolitionists in defiance of the clear instructions of the Bible that slavery is a good thing, should be preserved, and that slaves should be grateful, they are being Christians.

        When (some) Presbyterians allow women to lead church services, in defiance of the clear instructions of the Bible, they are being Christians.

        And when the overwhelming majority of American Christians wholeheartedly support maga, they are also being Christian.

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    I mean this was a time where people had legally codified indentured slavery for a certain time frame.

    You or your family could sell yourself to work for 7 years and then after that you could choose to keep working there after a jubilee year or go to another master.

    Usually most people who did this were foreigners.

    People owned those guys. Powerful people with money to be able to keep indentured slaves.

    So it makes sense to suggest people to treat these persons well. They might be slaves to a rich guy who already pays for them and doesn’t want to have to spend more.

    So yeah, treat them well

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      You are right, but the details are a bit of.

      So there were two kinda of slavery. For Israeli the concept of indentured slavery was applied: 7 years and then you were free. But if you married during that time and had children, your wife and children remeined slaves.

      So masters tried to find wife’s for their indentured slaves, because most likley people won’t leave back their family after 7 years. So Israeli slaves could pledge themselves to their masters for live.

      When you buy a male Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, but in the seventh he shall go out a free person, without debt. 3 If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s, and he shall go out alone. 5 But if the slave declares, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out a free person,’ 6 then his master shall bring him before God. He shall be brought to the door or the doorpost, and his master shall pierce his ear with an awl, and he shall serve him for life.

      Exodus 21:2-11

      For non Israeli (Gentils) their was just plain and simple slavery.

      44 As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves. 45 You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you and from their families who are with you who have been born in your land; they may be your property. 46 You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property. These you may treat as slaves, but as for your fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over the other with harshness.

      Leviticus 25:44-46

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      The bible is a fragmented mess of retranslations and secondary source material. Leviticus also has the verse about homosexuality that these idiots love to point to too.

      It’s definitely just a mess of contradictions. I wouldn’t say “woke”. Jesus was pretty woke throughout. Though some gospels more than others.

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      My in laws are extremely religious and comservative and biggoted. This year at easter, my wife volunteered to pray. She had a bunch of verses like the one in this post and just ripped them through bible teachings that theyre dicks. It was awesome

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    Libs collaborate with fascists (as usual) in portraying religion as fascist. It’s much easier than knowing enough and having a spine to poin out the obvious hypocrisy and heresy.