Summary
Trump’s support among Latinos has plummeted as he nears his first 100 days in office, with many saying they feel betrayed by the scope of his policies, particularly immigration enforcement.
Almost three in four Latinos (72%) now disapprove of the way Trump is handling his job as president.
Many Venezuelans, for example, have been impacted by the decision to revoke their Temporary Protected Status (TPS).
“Today, I feel the same way I felt in Venezuela— that they’re going to come take me somewhere I won’t be able to escape from.” “This is completely different from what I thought it was going to be.”
Unfortunately a lot of the latino vote comes from the religious, macho, and anti-liberal attitudes they hold. Lots of them are catholic, and even if the republicans are absolutely full of shit when it comes to being “Christian”, their propaganda claiming they are has been very effective. The latter two are in a way perversely tied together. They like macho “strong man” leaders, but unfortunately there are a lot of latin/hispanic countries run by strong man leaders claiming to be liberal leftists that are nothing more than tyrants and authoritarians that wreck their countries. So they vote anti-liberal, associating liberal with tyrants, while supporting yet another “strong man” fascist that will fuck the country up.
*I am not latin, however I worked in a latin country and have worked with several latin/hispanic people and learned what I could about their country, culture and politics, and this is how it was explained to me.
Oh darn! If only somebody had warned them about what would happen…
While I upvoted you, and we absolutely did tell them that. Many of them through no fault of their own weren’t reached by the message. And that’s something we need to figure out how to fix. Because with the consolidation of media and AI, this is only going to get worse.
Patting ourselves on the back about being right. Will only comfort us so much, when our lack of reach etc. Continues to haunt us
Sticking your head in the sand and/or choosing to only watch extremely partisan news is indeed “fault of their own”. If they can’t be informed enough to make good decisions, perhaps they should simply refrain from voting altogether.
That’s an extreme misrepresentation. By being here, you’re an exception. And you’re judging them based on that. And this is the exact issue. They aren’t choosing anything. Options like Lemmy etc simply aren’t present to them. And that’s the issue.
You found it, and that’s great. Now figure out how to help normal people find it. And not driving them away.
I don’t think that’s an extreme misrepresentation. Trump himself told them exactly what he was going to do, so there was certainly at least some amount of head-burrying-in-sand going on. The main message that was present on Lemmy but not in legacy media was that “Yes, he is in fact going to do what he says he will.”
There were two possibilities: either you thought he was a doddering idiot that wasn’t going to follow through on anything he said, in which case why in the nine hells would you choose him as your president? Or, he was going to do exactly what he said, in which case, why in the nine hells would you choose him as your president?
The problem is that most of the people who voted for him were being selectively optimistic about what he would and wouldn’t do. They let him be everything to everyone, and just hand-waved the glaring problems away.
I don’t know how you can fix this massive self delusion issue without fixing education and teaching people to think critically, but education has been under attack for nearly as long as I can recall in the US.
That said, I agree this whole “I told you so” attitude isn’t particularly useful, it certainly is cathartic, though.
I’m past the “I told you so” phase, however I’m also over everyone saying things like “they didn’t know” or “give them another chance”. As far as I’m concerned, they’ve got TWO viable options at this point in time:
- Find a way to fix what they did. It’ll be expensive, and likely violent, but this shitshow is squarely on the heads of the morons who voted for him, for whatever reason they chose to do so. THEY can fix THEIR OWN mistakes; I’m done helping them out.
- Continue to act like they have no ownership, but get the fuck out of the voting population. If they STILL don’t see what the did wrong they’re irredeemable and need to get out of the way. People trying to make them feel better by saying “they didn’t know” or the like aren’t helping fix it, they’re simply giving them cover FOR WHEN THEY DO IT AGAIN. And let’s face it, any dumbass that voted for him AGAIN isn’t going to flip their vote no matter what happens to them personally, so the next best thing is for them to stay home and practice counting to 2.
Trump says vague shit all the time. Which that is a prime example of. He wasn’t specific. But he did not say it in a vacuum either. The mass media did a lot to sane wash it. To imply that it wasn’t as sweeping or horrific as it would actually be. And people believed them.
The mass media does not treat him as a fascistic man child narcissist. They shower him with undo respect and restraint. Thinking in some misguided Nevil Chamberlain sense, that appeasement will save them. Though to be fair plenty of them feel like they are in on it as well.
To deny that this is the case, that mass media has not failed us, that their failings to be informed are all on them and no one else. Is to dismiss them with the same touch that conservatives dismiss the poor the underserved and minorities. Simply by assuming they all have the exact same access and opportunity that we do. They don’t. Don’t be like conservatives and fascists. Yes people absolutely do need to do more to educate themselves. But we absolutely need to make it clear and easier to find proper sources to do that from and encourage them to do that.
When you make assumptions based on your personal experience you’ve already lost the debate.
Democracy is a system of government by the people, for the people, of the people.
But the people are idiots.
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I think Depeche Mode put it better. People Are People. So why should it be, we should treat each other so awfully.
Just remember. If you want to paint with a broad brush categorizing people as idiots. You are numbered with them. We all are. But I would still stand gladly with them shoulder to shoulder. Against any oligarch or Vanguard.
Interesting to see a clear problem at scale and have folks tell you it must just be individual failures
Ya it’s definitely the fault of those lazy low-information Latinos who simply refuse to subscribe to the Economist and read it after their second eight-hour shift
Also “why don’t the poor just inherit more coal?“
Are you talking about 5 year olds? Otherwise I’m pretty sure everyone we’re talking about was on the planet during Trump’s last term.
Wow it’s awful Brave of you to put yourself out there as an example of the problem I’m trying to illustrate. Thank you for posting this. This is an example 100% of what I’m talking about. The same arrogance, ignorance, and presumption that everyone has the same experience as you. That therefore you are superior to them. You are literally using the conservative/fascist Playbook to ridicule and other these people.
I’m sure that will win them over to your side. Or make things better. Not.
that’s a grand stand you’ve put together. bravo.
I don’t care about winning people so disconnected that living through 4 years of horror didn’t convince them that 4 more years of horror wouldn’t be horrible.
It’s funny to watch you attack them for being in an echo chamber they didn’t seek. From an echo chamber you did. But I’m glad you can admit that you are dedicated to being the problem. And not the solution. It’s in curiosity and ignorance like that that will help the fascists continue to win. It’s just too much work to ask questions about how and why people behave the way they do. So much easier to just dismiss them as being less intelligent and informed than yourself. Just like they do to you.
oh yeah, you’re the voice of the common clay or whatever. just shut up. It’s so infantilizing and patronizing.
What a joke of a comment. They absolutely sought out living in a bubble, the same as everyone else. Stop pretending like people are kids who don’t pick and choose their news sources. We don’t live in Russia or China where the government controls 100% of the media. Stop bullshitting us with this pity party.
I feel zero sympathy for any maga voter. These fucking people shit all over us constantly, call for us to be murdered and sent to prison, but now I’m supposed to feel bad for them? Now I’m supposed to help them?
They can go fuck themselves. They are adults, not children, who dug their own grave, and now they get to deal with the consequences alone like they always wanted to.
you choose not to engage with the political process
it’s not anyone else’s job to save you from your own choices
Choosing not to engage is implicit consent. The largest voting block in the United States are the ones that don’t. There’s a reason they try to disillusion and disenfranchise people into not engaging or voting. It serves the purpose of the people who are the problem. Not the people who aren’t voting. And at some point other people’s problems become your own. So while it isn’t your job. It’s a good idea to keep things from getting that bad.
you can lead a horse to water
honestly I do blame the democratic establishment for doing fuck all beyond making themselves rich but it is a citizens responsibility to be i formed and part of the political process, if people are doing neither I have zero sympathy for them when they fuck themselves over
I’m just so entirely unsympathetic to absolutely any minority who voted for the overt racist. Like, genuinely, holy fuck, you are genuinely not allowed to be surprised by his racism. It is now, and always was, one of his primary features.
And I have a special tier of bafflement towards the handful of Arab-American communities in the upper Midwest that apparently voted for him, and are now shocked that his policies are way worse than the absolutely horrible and myopic policies of Biden. Genuinely: How in the ever loving fuck are you surprised by that? He tried to ban any non-Saudi Muslims from coming into the country in his first term. How are you possibly surprised. HOW.
But the leopard promised so many great things. I mean, sure, the leopard DID say outright that he would eat my face, but I thought surely he’d never eat MY face.
I remember some footage of a Latino Trump supporter giving a black woman shit in Trump’s name, and wondering what the ever loving fuck. A variation on Hitler’s rise to power is how many figurative Jews threw their full support behind him this time. I don’t get it. I’ll never get it. I’m sick of his stupid fucking face.
I live in Colombia. People here self-identify as “white,” and they’re surprised that white people in the US think of them as a different race.
Then double their shock - a significant amount of those white people in the US will think your race is “Mexican.” Never mind that you’re not Mexican, have never been to Mexico, and that “Mexican” isn’t even a race.
Logic doesn’t matter in their argument. You speak Spanish? You must be Mexican. End of story.
Mexican is just as much a race as white is. As in, neither are real races. A real human race distinction would be sapiens vs florensis vs neanderthal vs denisovan. All humans today are at least 94% homo sapiens.
You’re absolutely right - race is a social construct. That’s more logic talk though, which doesn’t matter to racists.
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If you voted Trump as a Latino, that’s a special sort of stupid.
They’ll vote for whoever replaces him too. Nobody had learned any real lesson.
latinos down south have been brainwashed and indoctrinated since thier parents immigrated here decades ago,.
I mean, what did they expect?
“I expected to be the exception! I’m one of the good ones! It wasn’t supposed to happen to me.”
Don’t worry. There is room in the gas chamber for people in wheel chairs too, you fucking freeloading fat strain on the economy.
No fucking way! I don’t feel sorry for any Latinos or Hispanics that voted for Trump. Ya’ll are traitors to democracy and our constitution for installing a dictator. You think people would learn from the dictatorship countries they fled.
Ah, but those were Communist dictatorships. Capitalist dictatorships are a-okay! (or so they thought.)
Scream communist and create a Banana Republic. As long as USA is in charge.
Not betrayed. Victims of their own stupidity. A bunch of ladder pullers.
“Latinos” learning that thinking you’re “white” isn’t the same as having white privilege.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/01/election-trump-latino-vote-paola-ramos
“This is completely different from what I thought it was going to be.”
Huh. This is exactly what I thought it was going to be.
Oh Mr. Trump, i wanted you to hurt OTHER people, not meeeeeeeee
my god, it keeps getting harder and harder to caricature Trump supporters
And that was from his first term.
The question is, will voters learn from this? Will they understand that when the president and his crew are straight up Nazis – and congressional republicans do nothing to stop them because they support a Nazi agenda – that the whole Republican party is now a Nazi party?
There won’t be any “reasonable” Republicans to vote for going forword; they are all Nazis now.
will voters learn from this?
History says no.
I used to live in a heavily Hispanic area, and I can tell you there absolutely will be nothing learned from any of it.
Cause any Republican attacks against Hispanics were always hand-waved away with some variant of “Of course, they’re talking about (insert Hispanic group the speaker hates), not about the good ones like (insert Hispanic group the speaker belongs to). If it wasnt for (hated group) fucking it all up things would be better for all of us!”
Republicans don’t make such distinctions, to Republicans all Hispanics are just Mexicans.
Which is how the leopards facial feast was laid out.
They’re not unique in that regard. All his supporters will hand-wave away anything that affects them negatively.
It would help if the other side wasn’t “vote for us or we’ll let the nazis destroy the country to spite you.”
“I just don’t understand why he betrayed Us, I mean… he did nothing but campaign on open contempt for our people, but surely he cant be held accountable for that! This is just so unexpected and blindsiding us!”
The thing is RELIGION. Most Latinx people are religious and more specifically Catholics. Abrahamic religions are extremely misogynistic and homophobic. All Trump had to do was show how much he hates women and the LGBTQ+ community and a lot of Latinx were willing to ignore his racism because they thought Trump would help them punch down on women and gay people. They thought they would avoid getting their faces eaten by the leopard by offing the faces of others in sacrifice to the leopard.
Latinx
Don’t say this, just say Latin if you don’t want to gender or people from the Americas if you want to refer to Central/South Americans
Abrahamic religions are extremely misogynistic and homophobic.
I agree but you’re ignoring the “i’m one of the good ones” mentality
Trump says he’s only going after criminals, that couldn’t be me.
It’s like when he says legal immigrants cheating the system and legal immigrants love it because they know they didn’t cheat so it must be other ones
But you do highlight why PR isn’t a state. Democrats don’t want another Republican state and Republicans don’t like white people speaking Spanish
“His whole life has consisted of nothing but lying, backstabbing, betrayal and treason. Who could have ever imagined he’d keep doing that?”
Now I’m not an American and definitely not a Latino, but I’ve heard there’s a huge amount of Latinos who hate Latinos and want them all to stay out of the country (I.e fuck you, got mine), which is part of why they vote republican. Also all the Cuban refugees who really hate Cuba so they also vote republican just to make sure democrats don’t ease the sanctions on Cuba - which are of course making life hard for people who have not yet escaped Cuba. Hell I bet without the sanctions a lot of people wouldn’t be leaving it in the first place.
If all that is true, honestly, this is a peak leopards eating faces moment.
Also, foreign language propaganda from Republicans claiming democrats are socialists/communists (the kind that ruined Cuba, et Al), aimed at immigrants
Hate is a strong word, and it’s a bit more nuanced than that. There is an internalized hostility that comes from the colonial era, where the way to climb the social ladder was by taking actions to seem more white. Like changing your name, converting, marrying a whiter* person, etc. These changes often explicitly implied rejecting whatever you were before. Anything indigenous was deemed as less than and less worthy than European stuff and therefore bad and to be abandoned.
And this is where this Hispanic on Hispanic hostility comes from. There is this idea that it is “better” to be on the side of privilege and those below are seen as a threat I.e. (the whites might notice you are not that white if they see you hanging out with those more connected to their roots).
This distinction is important because it comes not from blind-hate but from intergenerational trauma, as a defense mechanism.
A lot of modern day Latinos discovered what ttheir ancestors discovered a long time ago: They don’t see all the colors you see. The only see non-white.
What you’ve described is just conservatism (better to be on the side of privilege even if it fucks over everyone else), not something unique
LOL? Betrayed?
This is the fucking party, chuckleheads. They want you gone. Doesn’t matter if you were born here.
Stop voting for these motherfuckers. Not one Republican should ever be allowed into office.
