Summary
RFK Jr. is using private medical records to create a registry of people with autism in the United States.
The National Institutes of Health is helping to collect private medical records from government and commercial databases, including “prescription records from pharmacies, lab testing, and genomics records from the Department of Veterans Affairs and Indian Health Service, private insurance claims, and data from smartwatches and fitness trackers.”
Kennedy, a longtime critic of vaccination, has made the study of autism one of HHS’s primary goals. He has called autism “preventable” and claimed “he can find a cure for the condition by September.”
Holy shit, do they want to speedrun fascism?
Yes. They laid it out with Project 2025 and a staggering amount of people voted for it.
Pretty sure the staggering amount of people who voted for Trump have never heard of P2025 before the election, as FoxNews pretty much never spoke about it.
Until after the election; https://www.foxnews.com/politics/heritage-president-project-2025-liberals-doge-takes-ax-bureaucracy
Yes. There are a lot of ignorant people but I feel they choose to be ignorant.
Ahh of course. Cause feelings about other people is far simpler than attempting understanding.
Don’t let reality get in your way of your desired scapegoats. A strategy much loved in the current year.
And plenty still heard about it and instead of doing an ounce of actual research, they wrote it off as propaganda. Because it was just “too crazy to be true.”
I don’t buy that. I live on the other side of the planet and I know what project 2025 is and its key action points. It’s not just foreign media that were reporting on it. I also watch some US late night shows, especially when a major event like an election is about to happen. Most late night shows also discussed project 2025 at length.
Yes.
Why do you think they are so concerned about government efficiency?
You’re already living under fascism at this point. You just haven’t woken up yet, because they didn’t get to your door. Yet. The sooner you wake up the better.
I don’t live in the US.
They already have
A couple things I would like to highlight for the unfamiliar, and I’ll preface this by saying that I am autistic myself.
First, autism is not something for which there are any clear medical indicators, no blood tests or brain scans or anything of the sort are involved in diagnosis. It’s entirely subjective and observational, something that states entrust people who are ostensibly professionals to determine.
I point this out because I want people to understand that there is absolutely nothing stopping the present administration from hiring people (or using AI) to simply diagnose undesirables with autism through whatever criteria they decide to deem fit.
This might sound absurd, but we’re seeing people with nothing but tattoos being transformed into “criminals”, “gang members”, and “terrorists” by similar logic.
Second, Asperger was a Nazi, and the child euthanasia program was one of the main projects which experimented with the tools and machinery of mass murder that would later be used in extermination camps. Zyklon B was tested on autistic children and other “diseased offspring” long before it was ever used in the gas chambers.
How long do you think it will take before they are using AI to comb through the social media and medical records of teens looking for any indications of anything they don’t like, and flagging them as potentially autistic? September has been RFK’s set date since he first started talking about it, and people have been puzzling about that from the beginning. September is the start of the school year.
Lists are not neutral; they are tools of social hierarchy and ideological enforcement.
Creating a national database of autistic people could grow from “support services” to stigmatizing surveillance or work farms—especially if the one proposing it has a history of pseudoscientific views or conspiracy ideation, as RFK Jr. does.
Work farms? No no no— these are wellness farms! Completely different! The labor will be very therapeutic! Plus, if we determine you’re taking medication for any co-occurring disorders, like ADHD or depression we’ll get you clean of that crippling addiction pronto.
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In fact you’ll find that the work sets you free.
comb through the social media and medical records of teens looking for any indications of anything they don’t like, and flagging them as potentially autistic?
anything woke must be autism
woke mind virus etc
Home-growns are next. The home-growns. You gotta build about five more places
it literally doesn’t matter if this is the correct interpretation… the fact that it’s possible is the problem. it should be completely impossible
It’s Eugenics, this is them warming you up to forced sterilisation. This is Timesplitters shit, let’s just kill the Billionaires. Come on.
Well technically they’re warming people up for full blown death-camps.
It starts with tracking, then sterilization, then “work camps”, and then suddenly there are hundreds of thousands stuffed into cargo trains on the way to the furnaces. With tons of them telling themselves they should have done something when they first came for…
That’s already here, that’s el Salavadore. Specifically I think that’s where the human experimentation with neuralink and putting smart tech into your body is really going to get grotesque.
The first true AMERICAN concentration camp is being constructed as we speak. Soon we won’t need Cecot.
Trump has signed an executive order to build a 30,000 bed detention facility in Guantanamo Bay, and a $249 million contract has already been awarded. It is due to be complete in 2030, but it will open in stages.
For context, the average maximum security prison in America is about 800-1200 people. The largest, in Angola, LA, is about 8300. That means this new detention facility will be almost 4 times larger than our current largest prison, which is already several times larger than average.
Its also going to be on a foreign island, surrounded by a (supposedly) hostile foreign nation, far from the prying eyes of the media or the courts.
We’ve seen Cecot, with its giant cells packed with 80 prisoners. We’ve also seen their method of frog-marching their prisoners.
Compare that with Russia’s infamous Black Dolphin Prison where prisoners live this way for the rest of their lives:
they are forced to stand and forbidden from resting or sitting on their bunks from the time they awake until bedtime (roughly 16 hours).
They are also moved about in a similar way as Cecot:
Black Dolphin prison officers have a unique form of escorting inmates: prisoners are kept bent over at the waist while a guard holds his handcuffed hands behind his back, higher than his hips. This escort control tactic allows for maximum control while depriving him of a view of his immediate surroundings (preventing him from escaping and/or attacking prison staff)
The MAGA Nazis are very familiar both of these notorious prisons, and it is likely they will be the model for the the new Guantanamo Bay facility.
So who do they intend on putting in there? He is making it crystal clear that whoever is destined for Camp Gitmo will NOT be receiving trials, or anything resembling Due Process.
Our first AMERICAN concentration camp is being constructed as we speak, Google it.
What does that have to do with my reply to the other user and why are you instructing me to google anything?
My post wasn’t just to you, it was an extension of the general conversation about eugenics and death camps. I wasn’t necessarily instructing YOU to Google it, I was inviting anyone who was doubting that American Concentration camps are already under construction.
I’m way ahead of them. I self sterilized. I don’t want any hand in bringing more people into this shit show.
Just a reminder that forced sterilization is still legal in the US, affirmed by the Supreme Court in Buck v. Bell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell
He did run on finding the increased cause of autism in the youth. He said it was likely environmental toxins from corporations.
So if hes right and hes not looking to murder people then we get statistics on where its occuring, and he would track it down like we did lead and things like that.
Which there doesnt seem to be a counter-point to what hes doing, heres MSNBC who obviously hates Trump, and as she says theres not been clear answers yet. Which maybe with the data he is gathering there will be some insights:
Ah yes, this is clearly a person who is gathering information purely for science and the public good
I dont like the guy, but clearly it is an issue according to this MSN interview. So if he can figure it out I’d like that he did, so that the corporation causing it is held to account. Or what, do we just wait until a democrat is the one to do the same thing?
RFK is also talking about the obesity epidemic, specifically tying it to our food quality that many large donors really dont want to hear. I think some of these things seem sane, and I’m glad the republicans are starting to appreciate these ideologies.
Except, you know, autism can’t be cured and, you know, the uptick in cases is not because a raise in the numbers but a better diagnosis.
If they spent that money and time in improving autistic people life quality instead of “curing” them, the world would be a much better place.
Why are you so sure autism can’t be cured? Is “autism” even a narrow enough diagnosis to cure?
I didn’t vote for trump. I don’t support rounding up autistic people. RFK is a maniac. Can we have civil discussion?
Because we are not ill. We have a differently wired brain. You can’t just rewire my synaptic connections in a neurotypical way. The only way to “cure” autism is by removing autistic people from the world and… I’m not gonna agree with such solution.
I really hope you are asking this out of innocent ignorance, because the alternative would make you part of the problem and… there are words for you in that case, words that could probably get me banned.
I will speak for you, if you are willing.
If people try to kill us, we will kill them. We will defend ourselves from genocide.
I am ignorant about autism. I’m pretty sure humanity is ignorant about autism. There are people suffering degraded quality of life attributed to autism, is that not worth treating? Are people like Chrischan not ill or is that not related to autism?
Because whatever causes it, it’s a difference in synaptic connectivity that can’t be medicated or trained away. The only effective way to remove autism from society is removing autists from society and that’s exactly what rfk jr wants to do.
Ehm, because It’s not a disease…? How do you know being Chinese can’t be cured?
You don’t get diagnosed as Chinese.
Are you trying to be a unhelpful walrus or is this just happening organically, can you actually add something of function or substance to the conversation of just being a little detracting asshole?
I’m asking questions. I think just stating autism can’t be “cured” is a wild claim considering we barely understand what it is. Do I need to state my politics before asking questions or do you just immediately think I’m a trump loving maniac that is okay with rounding up all the autistic?
RFK must be very upset with Trump letting coal-fired power plants pump arsenic and mercury into the atmosphere unrestricted then
He’s a cunt with half a brain, he’s the new Mengele. His delusions have already killed people, I don’t believe in his supposed good intentions.
I believe it’s more likely that they (this administration, obviously) would change the meaning of the term “autistic” to mean any unwanted person. Basically, the Autist would become the new Jew under Trump’s regime.
Autism has a genetic origin. Even with today’s gene therapy techniques, it would not be possible to alter the already formed brains of adults so that they would not be autistic.
The simplest way to eliminate autism in the population would be to identify all autistic individuals and sterilize them or to genetically modify the zygotes or embryos of autistic individuals, but these, especially the first, have serious ethical implications and completely violate individual freedom. All this not to mention that we would be destroying part of the diversity of Humanity’s genotype, which could even have long term consequences that are difficult to predict.
I’d assumed it was something when you’re a fetus, not a fully formed brain. Would that be impossible as well do you figure?
Dude, these people are puppets of big tech. Donald Trump ran on lowering the price of eggs. Come on.
Well that’s not great. This is the kind of shit why I haven’t wanted to get diagnosed. Granted I’m already in it deep for being trans and that resulting million mile paper trail…
Behind the Bastards has a good couple episodes about what happens when people say they can cure autism (spoilers: many children die horribly)
Their RFK episodes are also highly relevant at the moment.
(spoilers: even more dead children)
The RFK Jr episodes also led me to believe that RFK Jr is probably not as neurotypical as he probably wants to think.
Which is not surprising considering the amount of hatred and seething rage that some unrecognized neurodivergent people (primarily low support needs) have for anyone exhibiting neurodivergent traits.
After years of social rejection (especially by family) and being denied support, many neurodivergent people learn to mask their traits at all costs. So when they see others openly express their traits or receive accommodations, it can feel deeply triggering, even infuriating. This resentment often fuels a cycle of shame and suppression that repeats across generations in ND families
Most of the late-diagnosed autistics/ADHDers in my circle have experienced abuse from undiagnosed autistic/ADHD parents. These parents, having been forced to mask their traits due to less obvious support needs, often harshly suppress the same traits in their children to avoid stigma.
Some people who’ve struggled want to ease the path for others; others believe everyone should struggle as they did. The latter are the ones who go on to try to abuse their kids (and sometimes a whole country) out of being neurodivergent.
This is fucking terrifying. How is this not a HIPAA violation?
Edit: Fixed spelling. What can we do to protect ourselves and loved ones?!
HIPAA died when Roe v. Wade was overturned.
Roe v. Wade guaranteed Americans the right to medical privacy.
He’s looking for the solution to the autistic people question
Next will be ADHD people… and I’m sure they all will be sent with a camp, that will help them focus… a concentration camp if you will.
A camp? Its not like he’s ever suggesting sending people to camps before. Oh wait:
See? Its not a camp, its a “wellness farm”. Aren’t you relieved now? /s
So while RFK Jr. is dangerously and stubbornly doing some wrong stuff, this at least conceptually wasn’t a horribly dangerous idea, though perhaps uselessly naive.
It was proposed as a voluntary sort of facility that someone could go do if they chose, and from how it was described, ability to leave whenever they felt like too.
Generally speaking, I view RFK Jr as dangerous due to his convictions, naivete, and belief in some gnarly conspiracy thearies, but not intentionally malicious.
Might you call it the final solution?
A fine ‘ol solution?
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Also, the term Asperger’s was coined in Nazi Germany to help determine which patients with autism (back then considered a subgroup of schizophrenia) were fit for labor camps and which were destined for death camps.
Which is part of the reason we don’t use the label Asperger’s anymore.
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Especially since he’s already been on TV talking about how “these are people who will never pay taxes. they’ll never hold a job. they’ll never play baseball. they’ll never write a poem. they’ll never go on a date. many of them will never use a toilet unassisted.” He’s explicitly pushing the narrative that autistic people are useless.
Seriously, I was thinking about getting evaluated, and this gives me the chills. I will not be seeking an evaluation at this time.
Seriously, I was thinking about getting evaluated, and this gives me the chills. I will not be seeing an evaluation at this time.
A lot of people are probably going to make the same rational decision — which, of course, will make the number of issued diagnoses go down. These fuckers will most likely try to take that as evidence that their policies worked.
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In 1936, three years after taking power, the Nazis ordered families with a mentally or physically handicapped person to send them to nearby hospitals for the best treatment. Soon after, they started receiving letters that their loved one had passed away.
The first to notice the pattern was the clergy, who realized that the families in their congregations who had vulnerable members were ALL getting these letters, and they rightfully concluded that a euthanasia program was going on.
Many spoke out from the pulpit, demanding an end to this atrocity, and Hitler responded, saying he was shocked at this revelation, and promising to end it. He didn’t, of course, he just buried it, expanded it, and evolved it into the Holocaust.
To Nazis, the best way to reduce the statistics of autistic people, is to reduce the numbers of autistic people, and the first step in doing that is to compile their names.
Of course, the real issue is HOW are they going to reduce the autistic population? Considering how much MAGA openly admires the Nazis, it’s not hard to make an educated guess.
They don’t even have to kill anyone on purpose. They just have to force people to undergo experimental autism cures, which have historically killed patients. An example of this would be chelation therapy, aka using the medication used to remove heavy metals from the body under the (unconfirmed) assumption that autism is caused by heavy metals.
If a database is good enough to connect pharmacy records, medical records, and even health info from smart watches (which a doctor or insurance company would not have access to) then it would need to link patient info together in a way that’s not as anonymous as they claim it to be. Theoretically, this could be enough information to force someone into doing these experimental treatments in order to keep their driver’s license (even if they’re otherwise high functioning enough to not be hospitalized) or force someone to be hospitalized with promises of being taught to be more independent later down the line.
They don’t even have to kill anyone on purpose.
They intend to starve the disabled financially as community outcasts.
What are you saying? That the poor are outcasts looked down upon by the vast majority of people regardless of their political beliefs?
For some cases, being marginalized is far worse than dying.
They don’t even have to experiment on people, they just have to forcefully sterilize them.
This. This is way more worrisome than first glance.
The only result they will find is that autism diagnosis happens more often in areas where it’s socially acceptable o go see a doctor for concerns about mental health. Deep red states will have “less” autism because hardly anyone will be going to the doctor and expressing concerns that they may have autism, and then they just go undiagnosed.
A Nazi does what???
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Hey now, to be fair, 99% of heroin addicts aren’t nazis. He’s like this all on his own.
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We accept your apology. /s
#JunkiesAgainstNazis
I haven’t done heroin in 15 years, but MAGA…not even once. It’s important to have standards in life.
I’m glad you’re doing what you want with your own body. Tough to do these days it seems.
I’m saving heroin use for my later years personally. I’m sure I will be in much more pain then. (If I make it that far)
Sure Jan.
I thought the nazi drug of choice was pervatin (meth)?
Nowadays it’s Ketamine and copious amounts of alcohol.
EDIT: Forgot about the heroin as well
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Get ready my fellow autists, for you are the new jews, this time in magastan instead of Germany.
The Nazis started with the disabled, trans, gays, and autistic. The Jews came after the political dissidents.
I don’t think they are the “new” anything… LGBT will be the new jews… I’m pretty sure autistic people will have their same place in the new reich that they did in the old one.
Yeah, being “euthanised”.
Those seasonal depression Palestinians won’t know what hit ‘em. /s
Don’t worry. I’m sure MAGA will start openly hating Jews soon enough.
Who’s laughing at self-diagnosis now??
Anyway, fuck this place (USA)
Didn’t the Nazi’s do this too?
Yes. The first group of people exterminated by the Nazis were the disabled.
The school Hans Asperger sent autistic children to:
Am Spiegelgrund was divided into a reform school and a children’s ward, where sick and disabled adolescents were unwitting subjects of medical experiments and victims of nutritional and psychological abuse. Some died by lethal injection and gas poisoning; others by disease, starvation, exposure to the elements, and “accidents” relating to their conditions. The brains of up to 800 victims were preserved in jars and housed in the hospital for decades.
Wonder if they’re gonna rebrand Aspbergers again as ‘the people useful to society’ again.
Yes. The nazis tried to cure autism… (/s if it’s not obvious).
Seriously, why are you comparing this to Nazis.
Why would you not? Unless you were sure there were checks and balances in places to ensure it doesn’t happen. Say, something like, not tracking disabled people, and/or, not abandoning judicial process and habeas corpus, and/or respect for legal precedence and norms that affirm trust in the process
It does, to me, seem like a violation of privacy (looks like patients have no consent in whether their private data is collected).
But, personally, I would think there would have been better, non-public ways of doing this if he really wanted to exterminate austistic people, etc.
It being public, makes me think he wants PR, etc and wants to be the dude to cure autism.
The PR is to desensitize us from them doing outrageous things.
We REALLY need to stop letting football coaches teach history in public education.
Lool thanks for the diss, I will try to keep my head held up high. Unless it was meant for the original comment, then I can forget about this ;(
You should probably forget about a lot of things.
Because the Nazis literally did this.
Check this out:
I cannot read the entire transcript, but from what I did read, it seems to be talking about how Nazis slaughtered children with autism.
Maybe you can draw the conclusion that he (rfk) is collecting data on autistic people so that he can slaughter them too, but that seems very far fetched doesn’t it?
If I’m missing something important from what I didn’t read, please let me know.
This administration is already sending innocent people to a concentration camp indefinitely and without a trial.
That seemed farfetched not too long ago.
I don’t know much about this, but just wanted to thank you for continuing the discussion even though I can’t myself because of a lack of knowlege here.
Others prefer insults 🥹
No, it does not seem far fetched. Look at the shit this administration is doing and wake the fuck up.
Absolutely nothing good will come from this.
The only small silver lining in recent times has been the mass amount of outcry for everything that’s happening. It feels like the country is finally waking up. It just sucks that we had to get to full blown fascism to get there.
I bet at some point soon he’s gonna suggest the creation of camps for ADHD-havers to help them concentrate better. We can call them “concentration camps”.
Wait… wait no no NO NO N-
Yep, I remember seeing that a while ago. That’s what I was referencing.
Pretty sure he’s already done that.
sigh he did already say that
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/rfk-wellness-farms-us-disabilities
The resulting court case, Buck v. Bell, went all the way to the Supreme Court, where Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., who wrote for the majority, declared in reference to Carrie, her birth mother, and Carrie’s daughter that “three generations of imbeciles are enough.” In the end, Carrie Buck was sterilized against her will. Buck v. Bell was never overturned, and 31 states still allow the forced sterilization of disabled people, according to a 2022 report from the National Women’s Law Center.
Land of the free. Yeah, right.
Yet we have an imbecile in the White House
Oh yay.
This is just them preparing the launchpad for further mass surveillance programs. First, they’ll poke around with innocent sounding programs, testing the waters to see how much data they can sniff out of different private databases without anyone noticing. They’ll claim it’s for the good of autistic people. They’ll enact legislation to further cement their practices of data gathering. If their proof of concept turns out to be delivering results, they’ll keep going.
Slowly they’ll keep tracking all kinds of people they deem as “ill”. They’ll start with vilified minorities that can’t fight back. Most likely trans people. Then the rest of the queer community. Of course, they’ll claim there’s no ill intent in gathering this data, after all, it’s not like they’re going to commit any vile acts.
And slowly but surely, once the public debate around these minorities turns even more sour, you’ll have them enacting all kinds of laws, and these databases will prove to be quite handy tools in aiding their goals.
