Can’t visit a dead man.
This is my theory too. He’s dead, and the administration doesn’t want to openly admit that an innocent man was murdered because of their racism.
The current US Administration murdered Mr. Garcia.
Sadly, you can.
Friend died recently. I know you can.
Please use common sense.
Please use a degree of decorum. Or better yet, take a break from the internet, go outside, meet some people, make friends and in general have human connection.
Shoo, little one, you don’t belong with the grown-ups.
Classic and well-documented grown-up response. Goes on the shelf right next to “because I said so.” 🤡
http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd6j7jjpgy6o.amp
Well at least he’s not dead.
Yeah that man is in pieces already
Tourism makes up 11% of El Salvador’s GDP.
Sounds like that should change too.
I mean I guess but I’m more disturbed by the fact that they have so much tourism given the fact they’ve had concentration camps for years
Who the fuck was going to El Salvador?
Latin Americans. Not United States citizens.
Being South American doesn’t make it any less likely to be put into a concentration camp for jaywalking
Despite recent events, the camps weren’t built with holding North Americans in mind…
I’m explaining the fucking tourism numbers, you potato. Not the nuances of jaywalking.
Well, that escalated quickly.
That happens with bot/farm accounts.
Wait I’m confused. Did you just admit to being a bot account?
People like tropical places
North Korea is balmy too. I just don’t get why anyone would risk it
It’s not balmy in North Korea.
The concentration camps are not years old. They’re 2 years old top.
If anything they’re getting more tourism after the camps. Obviously now they’ve evolved beyond just housing Salvadorans, but their initial installation made the country a lot safer (at the cost of authoritarianism and unfair policing. Not trying to justify them, but the country is “technically” safer)
Dude is saying he can’t be expected to smuggle him back into the u.s.
He didn’t have any complaints smuggling him into El Salvador.
Did anyone actually think they’d let him see anything? Why would they.
I’m not naive enough to think he’s still alive but that’s beside the point.
I think he is still alive. Bukele made agreements with the leaders of all the major gangs in El Salvador to get them to reduce violent crime. In exchange he gave some money and concessions as to how prisoners would be treated. If it comes out that prisoners are dying in CECOT, the gangs are going to treat that as Bukele breaking their agreement and violent crime will shoot up.
Even if he’s still alive, though, there’s a 0% chance he, or anyone else Trump sends there, will ever come out of CECOT while Bukele or Trump is still in power. It would completely undermine so much about their regimes at this point. They are using CECOT as the ever present existential threat against opposition. It’s supposed to be a black hole people go into and never leave. They can’t let anyone out ever or it proves that people can get out. They don’t want anyone to believe that is possible. They can’t let anyone believe that is possible or it’ll breed massive opposition in both countries.
Bukele made agreements with the leaders of all the major gangs in El Salvador to get them to reduce violent crime. In exchange he gave some money and concessions as to how prisoners would be treated. If it comes out that prisoners are dying in CECOT, the gangs are going to treat that as Bukele breaking their agreement and violent crime will shoot up.
This agreement makes no sense. Nobody ever leaves CECOT alive so what are these gangs supposedly gaining by agreeing to this?
Nobody ever leaves CECOT alive so what are these gangs supposedly gaining by agreeing to this?
Loyalty from the gang members still inside.
Amazingly, gang leaders are very often able to operate even while in prison. And of course, there’s possible hits inside of the prison system that need to be “taken care of” by members inside.
Prisons are just an extension, basically, for gang life.
I take one issue who you’re replying to: Violent crime will go up, but first, there will be massive dollars on Bukake’s head.
The other user responded with an actual quote about the situation and it only discusses special treatment for gang leaders like cellphones, prostitutes, and cash payments to gang leaders for their cooperation. This seems like a reasonable thing for these gangs to agree to because they’re gaining all the benefits.
What still doesn’t make sense is why these gangs would blow up this agreement just because some prisoners from the US are being killed or mistreated. It’s not as if the leaders of some of the most violent gangs in the world are human rights advocates. It all just feels like disinformation from this user in order to con people here into complacency and thinking things aren’t quite that bad for the people being illegally held there by the US.
Well, because it would lead them to believe gang members are also being killed.
Except for the fact that these leaders are incarcerated alongside the gang members and freely allowed to talk to them as per the agreement. There’s no reason for them to jeopardize such a sweet gig to protect some strangers from the US. In fact they probably despise these people as they see them as traitors or potential rivals, so again why would they care?
All that aside, this is the same exact tactic Mexico tried with the cartels 15+ years ago, stop the killing and we’ll be lax on enforcement, and it blew up in their face before long. The same will happen in El Salvador too.
I didn’t make the agreement. It’s been widely reported on.
The US treasury said that an investigation into government officials and gang leaders revealed the secret negotiations. Luna [chief of the Salvadoran penal system and vice-minister of justice and public security] and Marroquin [chairman of the Social Fabric Reconstruction Unit] allegedly “led, facilitated and organized a number of secret meetings involving incarcerated gang leaders, in which known gang members were allowed to enter the prison facilities and meet with senior gang leadership”.
In addition to financial benefits for the gang members, incarcerated leaders received special treatment in the prisons, including access to mobile phones and sex workers. It said Luna also negotiated support from MS-13 and Barrio 18 gangs for Bukele’s national quarantine during the Covid-19 pandemic.
It sounds like the gang leaders who negotiated with Bukele’s regime are incarcerated themselves. And it’s not just prisoners in CECOT who are getting better conditions. It’s incarcerated gang members all over the country.
That quote is sparkly different from your summary. It states that gang leaders get special privileges like prostitutes and the ability to meet with their underlings in order to continue running the gang, along with government funding for the gang. What it doesn’t say is that conditions for rank and file prisoners have improved, nor does it state that prisoner conditions have improved nationwide. The quote actually makes sense why they would agree to this, but your assertions here don’t.
Do you really think some MS-13 gang leader is going to give up his only access to running the gang, cash payments from the government, and a steady stream of prostitutes because some prisoner from the US is being mistreated or killed? I find that pretty far-fetched.
This really reeks of disinformation in order to trick people into thinking things aren’t so bad in CECOT and complacency in that there’s some sort of safety valve that will automatically keep things from deteriorating into a straight up Nazi concentration camp.
No, I think that proving one guy in CECOT has died brings into question the treatment of everyone else in CECOT, including gang members the leaders of the gang do care about.
Those gang leaders have direct and unmonitored access to the outside world so why would anyone need to question their treatment when they have the ability to tell everyone exactly how they are being treated? Again, why would they give two shits about how some dudes from the US are being treated when they’re the ones enjoying all the privileges?
The leaders are only leaders because the unincarcerated members of the gangs listen to them and do what they say. They only do that because they believe the gang leaders have power and influence. Part of that, now, is protection for gang members who get locked up. How long do you think those leaders are going to remain leaders when everyone knows they made a deal with Bukele that Bukele isn’t living up to? Not long.
My personal conspiracy theory based on absolutely no evidence is that they aren’t tracking who is who there so they don’t know where he is and obviously everyone would say they’re him.
Realistically? No
Ideallistically? Yes. At the least prove he is alive and ok. They had to know this would be coming and had they done this it probably quiets down some of the criticism.
That dude is dead. They are hiding it
100%
When/if the judge starts arresting people involving, the charges need to be for murder. If they can prove that he’s alive, the charges can be lowered to abduction and attempted murder, plus everything. Throw the fucking book at them, and find a way to make it not federal, pardonable charges.
The state attorney general can file charges at the state level. There is no way the people who snatched the guy had a valid arrest warrant. These are just Proud Boys and Oath Keepers with badges given to them by Trump for being racists.
While I agree, who is going to do the prosecution? The DOJ is compromised.
I swear I read that a judge can appoint an independent prosecutor. Can’t remember where though.
The judge stated that if the DoJ didn’t prosecute he would assign a special prosecutor.
He’s not fucking around.
He is fucking around. You know what’s going to come of this? This judge is going to be discredited and impeached, or he will be overseeing traffic court in Fargo.
You may want to quit drinking that Mike Johnson flavor-ade, because the fascists don’t have the Senate votes to do a damn thing.
Yeah they’re just spending all their time confirming Trump’s cronies. Great job from them.
Doesn’t take a Senate majority to send a judge to Cecot
Or he might be the one who gets to “visit” this prisoner.
If it’s civil, the DOJ can eat a bag of dicks.
And the Pentagon (military) is also compromised
Murder, Human trafficking, contempt of court, kidnapping… long list,
Whose going to arrest them?
US courts rarely deputize militias and even if they do the courts don’t run prisons or holding cells.
Without the consent of the executive the judicial has no power to arrest.
Bounty hunters. I think we’re at that point.
a lot of people here are saying he’s dead, but the press aren’t. Why?
There is no press anymore, they have capitulated. All you have are recorders and interpreters that push whatever Trump wants or they get banned/prosecuted.
Standard behaviour in a Fascist regime which is what the USA became under trump
Side note: We now have confirmation that a heavily armed population providers deplorable stats on violence and school shootings while doing exactly nothing to prevent the rise of tyranny… well done USA
It’s just like when scientists study obvious things. We needed a rigorous and comprehensive study to show proof and the US has provided that.
Yeap, confirming it was not just a biased observation but objective reality instead
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It’s just speculation, but they’re saying it because nobody has ever been released from CECOT. It’s not unlikely that they are just murdering the inmates and pocketing the money that the United States is giving them, or not sufficiently protecting inmates from violence between other inmates.
It’s not unlikely that they are just murdering the inmates
I do think that’s rather unlikely. After Bukele came into power promising a massive reduction in violent crime he met with the leaders of all the major gangs in El Salvador. He asked them tor reduce violent crime in exchange for payoffs and a promise of improved conditions for prisoners. Within 2 years of that agreement violent crime in El Salvador reached the lowest point it’s been in 30 years. If it comes out that prisoners in CECOT are dying, that agreement disappears and violent crime skyrockets. That would completely undermine Bukele’s basis of support.
Yes, no president has ever lied to gangs/terrorists before. Certainly no other president ever.
Well, we now know for a fact that Abrego Garcia is still alive.
And it’s not about him lying. Of course a piece of shit like Bukele is more than willing to lie to anyone. The point is that he is benefitting politically from this arrangement and if he doesn’t uphold his end he can suffer political harm. It’s not just a promise, it’s a two-way deal.
The press are broadly beholden to journalistic standards that require multiple sources to corroborate something as fact before publishing it. Us regular jack offs have no such limitations.
As to why people are speculating that he’s dead? For one, the place does appear to be a literal death camp. Also, officials in the Administration have admitted he was deported “in error” (though there have been conflicting statements over this and at least one firing). Since any sane person would want to fix a mistake of this magnitude, you could see why them refusing to might make people wonder.
The press are broadly beholden to journalistic standards that require multiple sources to corroborate something as fact before publishing it.
You have forgotten the /s
I am not joking, but I get your joke.
“Broadly” is doing a lot of work here. There is an increasing number of media producers who print whatever they fucking feel like.
Because they’re all afraid of reprisals from the trump regime
I don’t understand what justification El Salvador has for keeping a man imprisoned who never broke any of their laws. Can I pay them to hold my neighbour in prison? How much does it cost?
If your neighbor causes enough trouble for Trump, we might just find out.
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Man delete this gross ass shit fuck you.
I’ll take your wife
what in the hell is going on
Evil is running the world, I mean, more than usual.
Guy’s probably already dead.
We have a President trafficking humans right in front of our eyes.
Tbh this is a less bad outcome than I was concerned this was going to have (after letting him in to the prison: “Uh oh, looks like your president thinks you’re a gang member. You can just chill here forever.”)
My guess is they are already dead
Because he’s probably dead or at least has had something happen to him they don’t want getting out
There are plenty of other wrongly imprisoned people down there that the senator could be given an access to. They’re not all dead yet I’m hoping.
Yeah but to give some form of access to them, they’d need to actually know who’s dead and who isn’t. Given the overcrowded state of it, and the US’s lack of treating people as human, they may have no idea who’s still alive.
He’s dead.
