• Monstrosity@lemm.eeEnglish
    140·
    18 天前

    I am not a vegan but oat milk lattes are the best lattes. They are creamy, rich with flavor that’s perfectly aligned w the coffee, lower in calories & more sustainable than classic dairy.

    Everyone should try them once at least.

    • PNW clouds@infosec.pub
      18·
      18 天前

      I must keeping getting crap oatmilk. I always feel like it’s watery, and I shake it before pouring.

      I also drink whole milk, and think anything under 2% might as well be water. Unless it’s a chocolate milk full of thickeners instead of just milk and chocolate.

      I also get plain, because I don’t want added sugar.

      Suggestions?

    • bitwolf@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      15·
      18 天前

      Yes! The moment I tried oatmilk I realized the nuttiness of the oat compliments the coffee bean aromas making it the superior milk for espresso drinks

      • tamal3@lemmy.world
        3·
        17 天前

        The barista stuff isn’t that much lower in calories than dairy milk. The rest is true though: delicious, sustainable, microfoam-able.

    • MisterFrog@lemmy.world
      8·
      18 天前

      This is the real answer. The french aren’t the pretentious ones in this story, they’re the plebs who don’t know any better haha

      (All in good fun)

    • Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      8·
      18 天前

      The quality of oatmilk varies wildly based on the brand. I’m not a fan of Kirkland or Oatly but Califia and Silk are delicious.

      • ssfckdt
        12·
        18 天前

        Jesus. Oatly is by far the best. By far. Especially the barista style.

        • Obi@sopuli.xyz
          2·
          18 天前

          I also like it but it didn’t feel any healthier than regular milk, I don’t have the macros in mind anymore but I think half full milk was better when I did look it up a while ago.

    • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      7·
      18 天前

      Have you looked at the ingredients of oat milk?

      It’s water with vegetable oil and just enough oats for the taste.

        • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          4·
          18 天前

          My point is, that oat milk lattes are not the “best” lattes, they’re oily not creamy, and that the flavor of oats does not align with coffee.

          I’m diabetic and have to avoid lactose too, amongst many other things.

          Oat milk might be a fine beverage, if you’re into oily watery horse food, but a substitute for proper milk it is not.

            • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              2·
              18 天前

              Not really. It’s a mammalian excretion that has literally been refined over millions of years to deliver an infants nutritional requirements.

              • jerakor@startrek.website
                8·
                18 天前

                I drink milk, but milk isn’t superior to oat milk.

                mammal milk has specific ingredients that are meant to specifically feed infants of that animal. So its often high in fat and has specific things that are meant to be digested by that animal. Breast milk from a human has special ingredients that help digest the high lactose content and those ingredients are not in other milks.

                Now Oats have been designed over years to be digested by humans and other animals. They propagate by being consumed and then travel to other areas post consumption. The nutrition in oats and other vegetables is mostly there specifically to drive animals like us to eat them so that we propagate them.

                • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                  1·
                  18 天前

                  Of course proper milk is superior to oat milk.

                  If you were stuck on a desert island and could have an infinite supply of either it would be an absurdity to choose the oat milk over cows milk.

                  It’s true that cows milk is intended for calves and it’s probably not advisable for an adult human to consume exclusively cows milk, but it’s an absurdity to claim that cows milk is less nutritionally valuable than oat milk.

                  Oats have been domesticated by humans over a few short millennia because of their ease of cultivation and longevity in storage. Lets not conflate convenience with nutritional quality. Besides which oat milk doesn’t contain much in the way of oats anyway.

          • RobotsLeftHand@lemmy.world
            10·
            18 天前

            You’re trying really hard to be objectively correct about this silliness. No wonder there’s a stigma about coffee snobs.

            • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              2·
              18 天前

              I’m not trying to be objectively correct at all.

              It’s just really easy to make fun of people who drink poncy “milk” because everyone secretly wants it to be some magical elixir delicately squeezed from the nipples of plump little oats tended by fat little bumble bees in Tasmania.

            • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              1·
              17 天前

              One of us sure is ignorant.

              We don’t have feedlot dairy’s here.

              You can literally go for a drive and watch dairy cows eat green grass.

              They wrap hay bales in this plastic stuff that makes the hay start to ferment which apparently the cows fucking love to eat.

              • Warl0k3@lemmy.world
                1·
                17 天前

                (Side note: that fermented hay is called Silage and fun fact it’s one of the single foulest smelling substances produced by humanity. Smells more like raw sewage than actual raw sewage, and frequently triggers asthma attacks. Cows, inexplicably, go absolutely ape for it. A silage farm near where I grew up had frequent breakins from nearby pastured cows who had figured out the latches so they could sneak in.)

      • rustydrd@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        18 天前

        The one I drink has 11%, which seems plenty. At some point it’d become thin porridge, and I don’t want to drink that.

      • Landless2029@lemmy.world
        2·
        18 天前

        I just bought one last week. Works well. Enjoyable but clearly different than whole milk.

        Sticking to it for health.

        • huppakee@lemm.ee
          1·
          17 天前

          For health reasons you might take it a step further one day, the unsweetened versions have a lot less fat and sugar in them. I got used to it after barista oat milk and now I prefer the more coffee-y taste of my coffee tbh

    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      18 天前

      I agree. My preference goes oat then whole. I like the nuttiness that the oat milk adds. Local café was doing a monthly special, and they’re the best in the county so I tried it. It became my regular order.

    • aubertlone@lemmy.world
      2·
      16 天前

      I just made a smoothie with a frozen berry blend I got from Costco. Yep, I used oatmilk

      I don’t think this story/tweet is real. Or maybe just the misunderstanding that the restaurant didn’t have oat milk on hand.

      Totally agreed that oat milk superior flavor for many different applications. Milk from a tiyty just ain’t it for smoothies and stuff. I don’t make any smoothies with animal milk.

  • rustyfish@lemmy.worldEnglish
    90·
    18 天前

    We wanted to order pizza and I told my girlfriend (who is Italian) that I might order Pizza Hawaii. Her reflexes kicked in and she bit me.

  • BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works
    61·
    18 天前

    I’m a french vegetarian living in France after living 6 years in Scotland, France is years behind on the diet inclusion issue, I was shocked how difficult it was to find a place to eat out in Paris, way too many cafe/restaurant/etc… gets defensive and refuse to serve you if you don’t have the “historical diet” (whatever that means) of france, and a lot of them don’t offer any “common alternative diet” options on the menu. And it’s not better outside of Paris.

    Then of course there are some great places that try to include everyone regardless of their diet, and they are increasing in numbers, but they are still the exception rather than the norm which is a shame.

    If you ever goes in Paris and looking for a fully vegetarian classy restaurant, I recommand “Polichinelle”, it’s a bit on the expensive side (~50 euro/person), but it’s high level cuisine, and for a special occasion it’s really worth it.

    • Doctor_Satan@lemm.ee
      60·
      18 天前

      Italy is just as bad with this kind of stuff, at least in my experience. I’m not even vegan or vegetarian, but I saw it happen a lot when I was there. They had the same kind of “historical diet” excuse, and I’m sitting here thinking “you fuckers didn’t even get tomatoes until the 16th century and now you’re acting like you invented them.”

      I hate food purists so much.

      • kablammy@sh.itjust.works
        10·
        18 天前

        Not many vegan options around, but one place in Sorrento made me the best vegan pizza I ever had when I asked (there was nothing vegan on the menu). No vegan cheese necessary, I think it was the crust and oil that made it. Got bored of the same tomato pasta item every night at the hotel though.

        • Nikelui@lemmy.world
          8·
          17 天前

          One of the most basic pizza, the marinara (tomato, oil, garlic, oregano) is technically vegan and any pizzeria worth its name will have it on the menu.

          • kablammy@sh.itjust.works
            3·
            17 天前

            Interesting, thanks. The Sorrento place was a cafe so they didn’t specialise in pizza, but it sure was good. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a marinara pizza marked vegan here in Oz. They probably all use bulk garlic sauce bottles with milk as ingredient.

            • jimmux@programming.dev
              2·
              17 天前

              I’m guessing you’re not in Melbourne then, but Red Sparrow is a fully vegan pizza restaurant with a few locations there. Very good, from what I’ve heard.

      • BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works
        6·
        18 天前

        Never been to Italy, but I expected it would be even worse over there, Italians are often very invested in their opinion about food😄 some of my Italian friends can spend the whole meal debating about what they are eating

        • barsoap@lemm.ee
          2·
          16 天前

          You’ll be hard-pressed to find a German restaurant without a good choice of vegetarian options and at least some vegan ones. Germany is about 2% vegan, 10% ovo-lacto-vegetarian, and 55% flexitarian. That’s 67% of the population having an active look at those choices and you’d be very out of place with “if there’s no meat it’s not food” comments. You just insulted a huge number of quite cherished traditional dishes.

          Go on, go, go to Swabia and say that Käsespätzle are not food. I’m waiting. They’ll probably lock you into a madhouse.

  • RizzoTheSmall@lemm.eeEnglish
    43·
    18 天前

    That’s probably the most polite barista in Paris. I’d have expected a tirade, complete with arm waving and rude gestures.

    • Logi@lemmy.world
      30·
      18 天前

      They also seem to operate under the misunderstanding that the French can make coffee. Here in Italy we know that to be false.

        • Logi@lemmy.world
          3·
          17 天前

          You certainly make a lot of the coffee but all the technology for brewing it comes from Italy. Anyway, there is lots of credit to spread around. It’s just that the French don’t get any of it.

          Signed, Not an Italian

      • FackCurs@lemmy.world
        2·
        17 天前

        Half the French I know have a Bialetti stove top coffee machine. Sure, the french typically buy ground beans and they tend to prefer a dark roast. But they still use Italian technology.

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        18 天前

        To be fair, most of the dishes people like from France are imported by some king or another. Traditional French food kinda sucks, unless you really like stew.

    • Wren@lemmy.world
      3·
      18 天前

      Right? This could have been an open declaration of war. Dude should have known better.

  • FinishingDutch@lemmy.world
    30·
    17 天前

    The French are right. When you have fabled cuisine, lauded all over the world as the gold standard… you get resistant to change. And rightfully so.

    Putain, non, is indeed the proper response to said question.

    • Zacryon@feddit.org
      39·
      17 天前

      So France is intolerant towards lactose intolerant people and towards those with specific ethical dietary preferences. And that rightfully so! Be an asshole towards others! It’s “in” these days and Paris has been known for being trendy. /s

      • arc@lemm.ee
        28·
        17 天前

        French supermarkets all have very large and wide selection of “free from” style products for allergies and intolerances - gluten free, milk free. Plus vegan and vegetarian. In fact it would put most supermarkets in the US to shame. I also expect that many cafes in Paris cater for people with allergies.

        So it’s not that. More likely it’s a surly waiter, or a tourist asking for something which is not on the menu and being upset by the answer.

        • Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          2·
          16 天前

          The milk goes through the coffee machine. If they do that they effectively need two machines (or sets of machines), one with lactose and one without. It’s not simply a question of having some oat milk in stock

      • barsoap@lemm.ee
        6·
        17 天前

        France is intolerant towards people who, instead of having something brilliant that they can have, would rather have a bad imitation of something that they can’t have. You’re not getting judged or discriminated against for being lactose intolerant, you’re getting judged for being béotien and not discriminated against, but educated. By being served better food than what you ordered.

        That or they just plainly don’t have it on the menu.

        • 0xD@infosec.pub
          4·
          17 天前

          serving better food than you ordered.

          Lmao, the animal cruelty brain washing is real. Oat milk is just better in every single way in coffee.

          • barsoap@lemm.ee
            4·
            16 天前

            Takes a vegan to take a general statement and make it about their pet issue. I thought you guy were forbidden to have pets? Whatever happened to that?

            Tell the waiter “I’m vegan, what can you recommend”, be served oilve oil brioche and a nice, round, black coffee. With a slight sweetness and aroma to it, chosen to specifically to complement that of the brioche. It could have been so nice, everyone could have been happy, you could have not been a philistine.

        • Taniwha420@lemmy.world
          2·
          17 天前

          The French would not say that. They swear, but the religious swears are the domain of the Quebecois. Anyway, surprised the waiter even said, “non.” I’m my experience more likely to say they didn’t understand you and then ignore you.

          • MintyFresh@lemmy.world
            2·
            17 天前

            Ahh. I live next to Quebec, didn’t realize that was a regional thing. What’s a good French swear a Frenchman would use?

            • Taniwha420@lemmy.world
              2·
              15 天前

              IIRC putaine (used by the connector above), salope, merde. Basically calling things sluts and whores and saying shit.

            • Kamsaa@lemmy.world
              2·
              17 天前

              The equivalent to tabernacle may be " Bordel" (brothel) but I’m not sure (I’m French and we never use tabernacle). Overall our swears tend to lean towards sexuality more than religion e.g. “putain de bordel de merde ça me casse les couilles” (i.e. shitty brothel’s whore, this breaks my balls).

  • andybytes@programming.devEnglish
    29·
    18 天前

    I love France they take food and tradition seriously while at the same time their own government is afraid off them.

  • Gates9@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    27·
    17 天前

    In Italy, at “L’Isola della Pizza” in Rome, I asked the guy if I could get a pizza with salami, pepperoni, and sausage, and the guy was like “ah, American style!”

    • EddoWagt@feddit.nl
      25·
      17 天前

      Salami, pepperoni and sausage? What makes the first 2 not sausage and what is in your definition pure sausage?

      • derfunkatron@lemmy.worldEnglish
        23·
        17 天前

        The honest answer is this: Salami (sliced salami), pepperoni (sliced spicy salami), and sausage (pre-cooked fennel-flavored uncased/crumbled pork sausage).

        In the US, “sausage” tends to generically refer to uncured, fresh, or raw sausages, often really meaning “ground meat mixed with herbs and spices sometimes in a tube or casing (but not always).”

      • exasperation@lemm.eeEnglish
        9·
        17 天前

        Is it like the Italian American “shrimp scampi” where it’s just the words for shrimp in two different languages? My understanding is that “salami” is just the Italian word for cured sausage.

        Also, “pepperoni” is an Italian American word for a spicy salami that contains peppers, so it’s just a type.

        • barsoap@lemm.ee
          2·
          17 天前

          In Italian, ‘peperoni’ are bell peppers – not necessarily bulbous or large, but definitely with zero to negligible heat. Chillis are ‘peperoncino’.

      • ECB@feddit.org
        2·
        16 天前

        Also “sausage”, which is just a general term for all sausages in Europe

        • Gates9@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1·
          16 天前

          So, this was the only place that I personally found in Italy that even tolerated topping options for pizza, and I think they kind of went out of their way to accommodate Americans. Typically they have a limited selection of popular topping combinations; Margherita, bufala, etc., and you have to choose from that set. I think the place was unique in that way and they were pretty friendly about it.

  • AnonomousWolf@lemm.eeEnglish
    26·
    17 天前

    Lots of comments complaining about restaurants not being inclusive, but it’s unrealistic to expect others to bend to your needs.

    I can’t go to a vegan joint and get upset when they don’t want to serve me a steak.

    Nor can I het upset when a restaurant isn’t Halal.

    If you want vegan, go to a place that sells vegan food.

    • DarthFrodo@lemmy.world
      6·
      16 天前

      Offering at least one option that don’t include factory farmed food, that caused a lot of animal suffering in it’s production, should be the bare minimum.

      “When I specifically go to a restaurant run by animal lovers and I can’t even get any dead animals from them, you shouldn’t be able to get food that didn’t harm animals in any restaurant!”

      Wow. I guess there really are people who want to make it even harder to avoid causing cruelty, for no reason… Just why?

    • Lord Wiggle@lemmy.world
      5·
      17 天前

      Well it depends. When it’s a decent restaurant, some vegetarian and vegan options would be nice.

      But the big issue is the terror vegans demanding on the spot a vegan option when going to a grill room or steak house. Like, wtf did you expect.

      My take usually, as a vegan, is call the restaurant a few days in advance (if it is planned like a family dinner or work thing) and ask if they can make me something vegan. If not, no problem, I will deal with it. They are always happy to make me something and are happy with me asking in advance so the chef has time to prepare. But I won’t even bother asking when it’s a business completely based on meat. Like you said, don’t ask for meat at a vegan venue. Goes both ways.

      But when I go somewhere for dinner with friends who are vegan or have no issues with vegan food, we usually go to a vegan place or somewhere with a partial vegan menu.

      But in the case of the original post, if you don’t like coffee, just order something else in France. They don’t mind if you order water or anything. Just don’t order coffee and ruin it with milk, real or fake. A latte is just making fun of French culture. Or added water, ‘Americano’ is a term invented during the second world war to make fun of Americans who are too pussy to drink coffee like you should.

      • ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ@lemm.ee
        9·
        17 天前

        i sometimes work with data from foodchains and it turns out they sell more if they have a vegan and vegetarian option. yet hardly anyone buys any of those products - customers just want to feel inclusive.

        if vegan food would be good the vegans should easily be able to run restaurants. but it is just in some hip spots where ppl actually consune the vegan food.

        so we asked a few hundred in a webform i had to make and 99.9% said they like that vegan is an option but ordered meat. i think the question was something like why vegan food was part of their reasoning to come here in the first place and most wrote to not exclude workbuddies.

        as long as foods just immitate other food to be able to sell it (e.g. vegan doner or burgers) I wont eat it. if it is a good vegan dish…go.

      • stetech@lemmy.world
        6·
        16 天前

        But the big issue is the terror vegans demanding on the spot a vegan option when going to a grill room or steak house.

        This has ≈never happened.

      • Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        5·
        17 天前

        Even with meat-based venues it depends. I went to a 1-star steak restaurant and we asked what they would do if someone asked for a vegan menu. They absolutely do accommodate it as long as they know in advance.

        Though to be fair it’s a bit different than your average steakhouse

      • MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        3·
        17 天前

        Latte is an Italian drink. In France it’s café au lait (or café crème in the south), which is generally a breakfast drink, served in a bowl-like cup.

  • Teppichbrand@feddit.org
    25·
    18 天前

    I was on vacation in Flavigny, an incredibly beautiful small village in Burgundy. I wanted my green beans straight from the garden behind the restaurant without butter and asked to use olive oil instead. The waiter was like “Why!?”. It took me five minutes to convince him, he was absolutely unsympathetic and I think I had to pay extra. :)

  • j_overgrens@feddit.nl
    24·
    18 天前

    I love France and all, but let’s not pretend they have good coffee culture. What passes for cappuccino there… The horrors I’ve seen.

    • supercriticalcheese@lemmy.world
      3·
      17 天前

      There is plenty of good coffee in Paris, but you need to go to typically smaller places where they only make that.

      Although I don’t drink milk much anymore I wouldn’t know if the cappuccino they make is good.

    • Valmond@lemmy.world
      2·
      18 天前

      It’s crazy, food is top notch, or what you pay for it, but coffee is always the french 3/4. So not very good.

      To be fair, they invented it and the Italians refined the espresso in 1961 so.

      • huppakee@lemm.ee
        2·
        17 天前

        Part of why it’s relatively bad is because they still make it the same way as they did back then

            • Valmond@lemmy.world
              2·
              16 天前

              Nah, the “hipster espresso” I’d call it. Usually tastes sour, "but that’s normal, not everyone can appreciate all the ‘flavours’ "

              • huppakee@lemm.ee
                1·
                15 天前

                Ah, I am guilty of liking that. But I do think it is a very different taste than regular dark roasted chocolaty coffee and they should suprise you with a funky light-roasted one as their standard bean. Those are more suited for specialty places where they have multiple grinders with multiple beans.

                • Valmond@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  15 天前

                  Sure no problemo ! But why can’t they have an espresso that at least is somewhat like a real Italian one …

    • khannie@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      18 天前

      Just back from pints with a French lad. Just the two of us. Fucking love the French. Absolutely superb folks.

  • Wren@lemmy.world
    14·
    18 天前

    Every morning: A double-shot espresso with a small’ish blob of sweetened condensed milk, a few drops of vanilla extract and a teaspoon of brown sugar.

    Heaven.