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      She will 100% but maybe that what need to be so a real revolution start because the peaceful protest don’t do shit to stop fascist

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        We have no idea what a peaceful protest of significant size can do. We’ve never seen one.

        We’ve seen peaceful protests, sure. And some not-so-peaceful ones. But non-violence is really difficult to manage and wield.

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          Peaceful Protests have their place. But it’s laughable that you really think that a protest with no threat of violence means anything at all to a fascist government

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          Are protests really about “doing” things though?

          A rabble or riot might storm a location like on Jan 6, but is that going to topple a government? Maybe in the middle ages where you could depose a king but since then I don’t think so.

          Civil Unrest, if maintained over weeks and months might achieve something. If the population is ungovernable I imagine that might motivate republicans to impeach but things would have to get real bad.

          Other than that a protest is really just a public statement of duress. It’s an appeal to all the people who usually dont pay any attention to politics et cetera.

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      AOC should team up with Blue State governors to campaign solely in their states, with their protection. Trump WILL try to dispose of her, it is only a matter of time. Having a state’s National Guard to protect her from Dogey goons will be key to allowing AOC to continue working against the regime.

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        Oh if AOC is touched by that fucking scumbag will be the moment people riot. If not only the left but potentially some of the right who are fans of her as well, or at least fans of her energy (some have said they dont agree on policy but like how she really stands for working class families). I feel like as much as we cant really touch Trump (he would die a martyr for hard right nationalism) if the other side touches AOC the same thing happens but for the cause on the right side of history.

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          General rioting just hurts us… Gotta make sure to do it right at his doorstep.

          We can touch trump. He dies, the infighting kills them

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    None of this is false is the thing. He’s literally a criminal. He literally gave out a massive stock tip before reversing direction on tariffs again…

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      There are also those 34 felony convictions. And the civil court finding that he raped a woman.

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        Yup. It still boggles my mind that none of that was enough to make Republicans think twice about voting for him.

        Now that he’s impacting them financially? Oh noes! I might not vote Republican again! 🙀

        But of course, it’s way too late now and we’ll be lucky if we even have another election at this point.

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          Well, they never heard that information. In many cases very literally. In other cases they “heard it” and dismissed it as “lying” of the “liberal media”.

          It’s a cult.

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      And TREASON! He is literally the most prolific traitor in American history. Not just that, but he is a worse traitor than ALL other American traitors COMBINED!

      Any discussion of his criminal activities should lead with the undeniable FACT that he is a Traitor.

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    Trump has spent longer at rallies spewing insults at his personal and political enemies. The difference is that she is angry and fired up about justice and genuine love of country. Oh, and everything she said is actually true.

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      It’s true but hollow. Dems are never going to have as strong a hand as they had in 2021, when Biden was taking office with an open hand and a liberal-friendly bureaucracy.

      The government that Trump leaves behind in his second term is going to be gutted and its institutions slaved to whatever technocracy Musk and Thiel can cobble together in the next four years. You’re not going to have a DOJ capable of prosecuting an ex-President or an FBI capable of investing one or a court willing to rule against one. And that’s assuming we still have an election system capable of replacing him or his party.

      AOC’s truths are too little and too late. She should have been out there rallying a crowd to scream this shit in Biden’s ear back when it mattered. She should have been holding firm on “Defund ICE” back before they were snatching people off the street and shoving them in El Salvadorian prisons.

      That’s the real difference between her and Trump. He spent eight years building a real active reactionary fascist movement. Meanwhile, I don’t see any AOC-Stans storming the capital in the next four years.

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        OK doomer. There’s still a lot more of us than these crooks, and just one was necessary to scare them.

        “The Dems” is only a party label, which has and will mean something different to different times. The most difficult task ahead is re-earning governmental legitimacy and global trust, which can only happen if we fix everything in our system of government recently demonstrated to be dangerously outdated, broken, or useless. I’m fairly certain that’s the only way back. That scale of reform will require a public mandate and will leave no party label intact. AOC could lead that charge, and may not need to run as a democrat ever again. We may not even have a two-party system by the end of it.

        But getting anywhere requires first steps. The easiest way to not see reform is for those who would fight to give up hope. I know it’s easy to get discouraged in dark times. It is OK to feel discouraged, but spreading that despair among allies when it’s time to fight is not. That is selfish wallowing that only serves the enemy.

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    Are she and Sanders the only politicians in the United States actively opposing Trump? I keep searching for news of others taking a stand, but it appears only those two are doing so openly.

    Trump has crossed so many lines but I really do not see any outcry, mass resistance or opposition?

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      Al Greene, Jasmine Crockett, Tim Walz, and Saikat Chakrabarti. When Trump starts to openly murder American citizens, I expect many fired military leaders will suddenly be leading National Guards.

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      Trump has crossed so many lines but I really do not see any outcry, mass resistance or opposition?

      Be mindful not to mistake suppression of dissent with lack of dissent. News media is actively avoiding protests. We’re out there, even if the news cameras aren’t.

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        We are all aware the media/news companies are owned by the billionaires who want to control the narrative, why do ppl forget that and start saying stuff doesnt matter because it hasnt hit the news

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      Illinois governor JB Pritzker is openly opposing through legislation and trolling. He held a mock press conference stating that Lake Michigan was now Lake Illinois and went to the zoo to negotiate with penguins on tariffs. California governor Gavin Newsom is suing the Trump admin over tariffs.

      There were also coordinated protests across the US a couple weeks ago. Every town hall held by Republicans is a complete zoo, so much so that certain reps fear for their life and have stopped holding them.

      Federal workers are leaking musk directives and doing their best to stall the doge squad.

      Just because Trump hasn’t been removed one way or another from office doesn’t mean that people are doing nothing.

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      That’s because he controls the media.

      The guy from the Circle Jerks just called for an army of Luigi Mangionis while on stage at Coachella, so there’s that

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      Seems that way, yes people are starting to protest but not nearly enough, and as another commenter mentioned the media is not covering it, which should surprise no one.

      The Democratic party needs to be laying out the facts when the CiC lies to the people, but nope they seem to be just sitting back sulking saying “see we told you this would happen and since you didn’t vote us in we’re not going to do shit”

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    I fear for her safety. I hope she stays safe.

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      Inappropriate assessment. I fear for everyone’s safety. Constitutional freedoms and the rule of law protected everyone. Removing them is a double edged sword that puts everyone at risk.

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        This is as stupid as saying “all lives matter” after seeing a BLM sign.

        Obviously everyone’s safety is at risk right now, and in the near future. The og comment wasn’t saying “screw everyone else, save her!” They were simply wishing for the safety of one of the most outspoken, and therefore vulnerable people actually making a difference in this situation.

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            You’re not wrong, but the person responding to you us correct. Both things can be true, but attempting to divert the message waters it down. We’re all in danger and have a fascist MAGA problem. However, AOC is 100% in more danger than the average person in the US. There is no reality where I would be in more danger than AOC is unless in some other reality we swapped places.

            She is openly and vocally speaking out with a position of power and influence.

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        Inappropriate assessment

        Good point… I was under the impression that I was only allowed to fear for one person’s safety at a time 🙄

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    She’s not wrong. But she should be careful. She has a Hispanic-sounding name and brown skin. Key demographic to get deported (without trial) to a concentration camp ala’ trump.

    EDIT: I didn’t mean “be careful” as in “don’t say these things,” I agree with you all-she should DEFINITELY say these things. I mean “be careful” as in “don’t walk to your car unattended, answer the door without checking, talk to police, or take any meetings with someone you don’t know.” - that sort of careful.

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      I’m actually happy that she’s willing to take the risk.

      We wouldn’t be here if more people had taken risks before now.

      Looking at you judge Juan Merchan. Capitulation doesn’t protect you from fascists.

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      We need more people prepared to not be careful. Being careful means acquiescing to oppression in silence. Real resistance means taking risks.

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        I didn’t mean “be careful” as in “don’t say these things,” I agree with you -she should DEFINITELY say these things. I mean “be careful” as in “don’t walk to your car unattended, answer the door without checking, talk to police, or take any meetings with someone you don’t know.” - that sort of careful.

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      I don’t think she should be careful. If anything, being as loud as possible and staying in the public eye is what all Democrats should be doing. Because if they do start deporting people that actually speak the truth everyone will know when and how it happens. You can’t hide it and they can’t effectively make a move against her that won’t be seen by the entire world. And I think it’s a sign that we all need to start doing this. If we’re loud and seen instead of raging behind our phone screens it’s a lot harder for people to just disappear.

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        Exactly. We are in this mess because the Democrats and the media immediately declared an obviously rigged election to be “fair & square” the moment it was over. Being smug about the “peaceful transfer of power” was more important to those weak cowards than protecting America from being destroyed by vicious Nazi traitors.

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          We are in this mess because the Democrats and the media immediately declared an obviously rigged election to be “fair & square” the moment it was over.

          What’s your evidence it wasn’t fair and square? I mean actual sources, not the previously generalized high-level accusations like “they faked the vote count”. I’d be very interested to see them.

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            You mean actual verified facts like hundreds of thousands of people being purged from roles in shithole red states by the fascist traitors?

            Or do you mean like when the traitor himself said that Elon was “really good with the voting machines in Pennsylvania”?

            Or “we don’t really need your votes”?

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              Something a little more concrete than contextualized public statements or the well known tactics of voter roll purges and gerrymandering, etc.

              Like vote tallies not matching or something like that.

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        I didn’t mean “be careful” as in “don’t say these things,” I agree with you -she should DEFINITELY say these things. I mean “be careful” as in “don’t walk to your car unattended, answer the door without checking, talk to police, or take any meetings with someone you don’t know.” - that sort of careful.

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          Oh yeah, definitely. I just want her to be safe but also not back down even a little bit. She’s making waves and needs to continue to do so.

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      She’s literally part of the organizations that should be taking action. It’s not supposed to be our job. Senators and representatives are the ones paid to be the checks and balances. The bar has been set so low now that someone in the government saying what is going on is wrong is seen as a win. The bar is buried underground at this point.

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        it’s tripping hazard in hell, but democrats have convince everyone that it’s okay because it’s a dry heat.

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        It’s not supposed to be our job.

        We are the managers. And, well, we’ve been pretty slack.

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        It’s not supposed to be our job.

        Too much buck pushing in the good ol USA. It is, in fact, our civic duty to be active citizens that hold our elected representatives accountable. Our continual evasion of this responsibility is a large part of what landed us here.

        It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that a large portion of the “not our job” folks were the same ones wholly blaming the Russian people for not hanging Putin in the town square.

        We’ve lost all sense of duty and honor in favor of the almighty dollar in this country. Yes, our representatives should be holding Trump accountable, but we the people voted his tired, rapist ass back into office.

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        I didn’t mean “be careful” as in “don’t say these things,” I agree with you -she should DEFINITELY say these things. I mean “be careful” as in “don’t walk to your car unattended, answer the door without checking, talk to police, or take any meetings with someone you don’t know.” - that sort of careful.

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      if she is detained and deported i will literally disown every relative of mine in the US if they dont actively riot.

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    He’s probably shitting his diapers in impotent rage lol Imagine all the ketchup being thrown.

    Keep it up AOC and Bernie!

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      Me too. Unfortunately, I feel like she’s in a not great position when hits start flying, putin style.