• N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    I think Xi might have figured out Trump’s secret. He has no fucking clue what he’s doing. He scares people into reacting by being reckless, then claims a win for getting a reaction.

    Ignoring trolls takes their power away.

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      “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”

      (“Quand l’ennemi fait un faux mouvement, il faut se garder de l’interrompre” --Napoleon)

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      They’re not really ignoring him though. They’ve discontinued exports of rare earth and are dumping debt. It’s a calculated strategic response to capitalise on an epic mistake.

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      This only works if you’re China. Most other countries would just be ignored

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        Not really, he backed down on tariffs last week thanks to Canada and Japan. The truth is, Trump has put the US into a very, very precarious position. They have a lot of debt to refinance soon, and if the rest of the world wanted to, they could dramatically increase the interest rates paid on that by coordinating a sell-off of US debt.

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        never interrupt your enemy while he is fumbling his shit. or something.

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    That’s business school from a guy who ran casinos into the ground. Nice work America.

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        As much as I don’t like the Chinese government for all the censorship and etc, they do really know what they’re doing in terms of managing the economy and the infrastructure it relies on, as far as I can tell. Including their education system, it’s fairly shocking how many of the top engineering and CS colleges are in China.

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          Censorship? Its rich talking censorship in China when America is one of the most propagandized nations in existence. If I was China I would also censor the fuck out of America.

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                  There different forms of censorship. Flooding the dominant platforms with the official message to obscure opposition opinions, shadowbanning posts, etc are softer forms of censorship but are still censorship. The rulership class is fine with people voicing their opinions if they feel it doesn’t threaten their power. They will crack down harder when that feeling changes.

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            How does the US being full of propaganda change the fact that China has a lot of censorship?

            Both can be true at the same time, you know…

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        I was gonna post that one but “What is this business strategy called” gets me every time

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        It turns out that maximizing for shareholder profit isn’t a sustainable way to run a business, and it actually burns your company to the ground after a few short years.

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      I love how everyone just sort of glazes over how astoundingly unpopular Steam was when it was first introduced.

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        I was one of them. They proved my fears unfounded (so far). They’ve also managed to convert me to a fanboy at some point. I realised I was playing a co-op game brought off steam, on my steam deck, via a steam link to the TV, and the wife using a steam controller.

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          I think steam is my favorite monopoly.

          ^Not saying it’s perfect. Just my favorite. I understand this might change at any time^

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            At least it’s only a monopoly because everyone else is apparently idiots when it comes to long term planning. I’m dreading the day when they turn to the dark side. Long away may it be.

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            Valve is Augustus Caesar: a benevolent dictator doing great things for their people. I’m afraid of what will happen when Gaben retires, how long will it take before we find gaming’s Nero?

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      That’s very possible. Trump gave them excuse to do this. They already set up a deal with Korea and Japan (and each two hate each other), and if they would set up a trade deal with EU then the US will be the only loser.

      Trump really hurt US with the tariffs on everyone (except Russia, North Korea and Belarus)

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        Xi is more than happy to have a scapegoat for his economic troubles so the people and the powerful don’t hang him. Trump sometimes wants to speed run into the hanging and then realizes he really can’t piss off his own power base if he wants to keep his neck.

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      The workforce is unionizing even if their union is pretty terrible.

      Definitely just a toss up of where this is going.

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        Which workforce? The Chinese? There’s only one union and it’s run by the government. Any non-government unions are illegal.

        The US is gaining a new interest in unions, but we have our own anti-union laws to deal with. Not as bad China’s obviously.

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          such a socialist country where union protests lead you to being disappeared

          Oh sorry, did I say socialist? China lines up better as a fascist economy.

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          Yeah in a global environment essentially China is the workforce/factory workers of the previous gilded age.

          And it’s pretty much exactly my point that their union (the government) is finally pushing back against the management while being not exactly kind to their workers.

          We are essentially reliving through a new worker rebellion but from the governments of the global south with their own layers of local nuance underneath that.
          Weird times.

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            A government is not a union.

            The rebellion is mostly demographics. We are at a point, where globalization reached most countries. At the same time births are around 138million ± 5milliion since 40 years. China itself even has population decline.

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            Yeah in a global environment essentially China is the workforce/factory workers of the previous gilded age.

            Maybe 15-20 years ago, but not so much anymore. Cost of labor has been rising in China dramatically to the point that a lot of manufacturing is leaving China.

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            We need a vanguard party because the proles are too dumb to save themselves. We’ll prove it by banning unions that aren’t under our thumb.

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        Their wages are going up and young workers aren’t as interested in living the slave labor experience living in foxconn dorms working 100% of their time. It’s not a union but the overall effects are that policies are being forced to be more pro worker/ better salary and conditions just to meet staffing levels.

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      And what, exactly, is wrong with cheering for China? They have never invaded a foreign sovereign nation in their entire 400 year history. They have been invaded by a lot of other countries, however.

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    Then everyone dumps on him, and he says the roll back was fake news and it’s still happening, but nobody even in the administration knows what’s going on.

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    Big flex from China. I’m waiting for a country to call trump’s bluff by putting an export tax on their own goods sent to the USA.

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      Canada should have done this on everything. If the Americans can afford the tariff then there is room for us to charge more. Not really but yeah should do it.

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      If only… America holds 20% of global purchasing power so an export tax like that would result in needing to lower local interest rates to boost domestic productivity, which would decrease foreign investment, eventually weakening the local currency.

      It would be hilarious if a country that exports very little to nothing to the US did it to make a point though. Totally on board with that.

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        America holds held 20% of global purchasing power…

        Truth be told, I think the only thing we really produced in the US was the US dollar. Sounds like it’s the number 1 export for the US, and trump just toppled demand for it.

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        China is already weakening their currency to keep their exports (worldwide) more attractive.

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      Or, they just pay the tariff themselves. Could you imagine China going, “Cool bro, we’ll just absorb the cost ourselves. Now what?”

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        That wouldn’t really do much for China. The reason the tariffs hurt us is that we sent all our manufacturing to them (along with a few other countries). So the tariffs only make our stuff cost more. Footing the bill like that would just weaken China’s position.

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        What would happen is the US dollar would be weaker, profits selling to the US weakened. It would still harm us primarily.

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    Didn’t this happen last time? Less dramatically, but still.

    He puts in a bunch of tariffs. China reciprocates. The market is thrown into chaos. He shouts and screams. China ignores him. He backtracks. China ends the tariffs but doesn’t do anything to try and appease him. He claims it’s a victory. His fluffers say the tariffs were just to bring China to the table, which justifies the hit to the market, despite the fact China didn’t come to the table and President Pigshit didn’t articulate what China could actually give him to end the tariffs.

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          So much of Sun Tzu is common sense.

          Don’t fight with the sun in your eyes! Make sure your army has supplies! Be sneaky! Etc

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            Everything in war is very simple. But the simplest thing is difficult.

            – Carl von Clausewitz

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              The target audience of The Art of War was not soldiers or even officers. It was nobles who would step out of their gilded halls and just fuck everything up with stupid decisions that no moderately experienced military man would even dream of.

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    … Trump keeps begging for China deal while bragging about phone calls kissing his ass. No foreign meetings. No envoy sent to China.
    China limits US studio film releases
    Bessent says Tariffs are no joke. China must make a deal.
    Chinese airlines refuse Boeing+parts deliveries (reported as “China orders”, but leopards were not going to make US aerospace affordable at 125% tariffs.