transcription: “your trans!? have you ever considered that god makes mistakes?” “well he made you.”
If god never makes mistakes then trans people aren’t a mistake. Dude should stop questioning gods will, seems a bit blasphemous.
Thank you! This is exactly what I came to the comments section to say.
Honestly, the greatest argument against intelligent design is the human body. If I was created by a god, he’s either an idiot or actively malicious.
Erogenous zones in the waste tube. Also religious people: putting things in the waste tube for pleasure is also a sin.
Every time I see someone talk about intelligent design I just think about how our throat has two tubes: in one of them you have to put stuff in so you don’t die, but if you put even a little bit of stuff in the other one you die.
An all powerful being that controls energy, time and matter itself … decides to make a perfect biological human body with an autonomous identity, intelligence and self control … that breaks down and dies in less than 80 years … then encourages these individuals to procreate (but not to enjoy it, even though he designed it to be very enjoyable)
Isn’t the god made the human in his own image? Does it mean that the God is badly designed too…
God does not have a body, obviously. This is not what is meant by this.
Well then what the fuck is meant by that
The highest part of man is the one that is closest to god. The soul, clearly. The soul can partially grasp divine attributes like morality, knowledge, righteousness, etc.
That makes sense, I always just assumed that most christians took it literally, ie humans physically looking like their god, a sort of patriarchal egoism. Thus paintings of god in the form of a human man.
I would add, that the old testament has been interpreted allegorically since before Christianity, since in the Roman Empire, Jews that were civilised had some difficulty accepting the rather nonsensical elements of the archaic books.
This sort of makes sense. The bible is a collection of books that are very different in style, so it makes sense that some are understood poetically, or allegorically, while others are quite literal.
So these seemingly silly elements of the bible were literally never understood literally by Christians, until the reformation, at least.
So while it may seem like modern Christians are trying to reinterpret the bible to avoid contradictions, that are caused by the idiocy of the ancient and medieval people, the reality is literally the exact opposite.
Christianity is a child of the Jewish mysticism and Greek rationality. For someone that understands philosophy the idea of a god with a body, that looks like a human is absurd.
God is not in space, not in time, since according to Christian theology, these were created with the universe, so they are not independent from the creation. Before that(not in the temporal sense), there was only God.
Well, the human body is imperfect due to the fall, it was only perfect in the Garden of Eden.
Mfw eating an apple makes a nerve loop around the aorta.
Giraffes must have fallen far.
Richard Dawkins is a schmuck but that one time he dissected a giraffe on TV was pretty fucking cool.
He what? That sounds horrible. But also a bit funny:
Cuts open a giraffe, blood on his hands as he just tore out its aorta: “THERE IS NO GOD!”
The letters are right there! How did you mistranscribe “you’re” to “your”? This is a comic, there aren’t even a lot of words you have to copy.
the reason is because english is a joke and i refuse to respect it
i respect your view of the english language more than i respect the english language, so :P
As a former grammar Nazi and English native, I concur.
Edit: *gramer *english *conquer
Christians when trans people: God doesn’t make mistakes and you’re being blasphemous by altering the way you dress.
Christians when poor eyesight: You should wear glasses. God wouldn’t want you to suffer.
Also Christians in case of terminal illness: You should not choose euthanasia, because in your weakness, God is strong.
600 never makes mistakes? 60D never makes mistakes? That’s a really big die… Oh it’s God!
SAME! Honestly who writes a G like that?
Walt Gisney
no it’s walt disnep. I will die on this hiII.
What about genetic disorders like type 1 diabetes, cystic fibrosis, or Huntington’s disease? Nobody gatekeeps people with those conditions because “God makes no mistakes” - yet clearly, mistakes were made.
“Those weren’t mistakes! God does what he wants, we never said he was nice.”
If I did believe in God I would tend to agree, God is a massive piece of shit.
OK, sure - but I mean when a type 1 diabetic gets a diagnosis and begins hormone therapy (i.e. taking insulin), it is not that different than a trans woman getting a diagnosis and beginning hormone therapy, yet Christians rarely tell a diabetic they shouldn’t take insulin, but are quick to view the trans woman is immoral for taking estrogen. (Admittedly there are some Christians who might believe any medical interventions are wrong, but I assume they are not representative.)
And yes, the problem of evil is a thing, Christians believe God is “omnibenevolent” (as well as being omnipotent, all powerful, and omniscient, all knowing) - this generates a kind of problem, in that no God that is all good, all powerful, and all knowing could exist given what we know about the world.
I generally take the trans hate from them as more of a product of political manipulation given to them in a wrapper of religion to justify it.
I fucking hate propagandists so much…
agreed, it’s politics more than religion - though tbh religion and politics are to intertwined it’s unclear if it’s possible to separate them …
and yes, I hate the manipulation of people for the sake of harmful agendas that seem to prioritize the needs of the few over the needs of the many.
However, that just means we need effective propaganda that goes in the other direction, that promotes the well-being and rights of all, etc.
Did you not see that girl who died of measles because she wasn’t vaxxed? That was a few weeks ago. Parents were all like “don’t vaccinate your kids, god has a plan” after still.
These people are liable to kill you faster to complete god’s design or whatever rather than help you in any way. Actual psychopaths feeling justified cause of “god”.Reminds me of that story of a family in a flood and helicopters.
For those who want to know which story, the short version is family house in a flood, family make it to the roof. Boat comes, another, another they send them away “God will save me” a helicopter comes, is told to go. The family die. God tells them they fucked up 'cause He sent three boats and a helicopter which they refused
I hate antivaxxers. As a kid I couldn’t get my first dose of measles vaccine because I was sick, and wasn’t vaccinated until my 5 year old vaccinations. I was sick with measles, but was okay.
I got measles because vaccination wasn’t widespread then and there. The same happened to other kids and they weren’t as lucky.
This kid was betrayed by their community, denied vaccines that would have kept them alive because people lied to them
Ed. Swipeographical errors
It’s definitely a lesser extent but yes they do.
The people that are rude about that just say they’ve sinned, and they brought this on themselves.
Source: friend has cf.
Christians tell people with CF or diabetes that God doesn’t make mistakes and their condition is not real as a result? It sounds like in the case of your friend the Christians are just saying the friend deserves CF because they are sinful and fallen, but not that CF doesn’t exist.
No it was “God doesn’t make mistakes, therefore you must deserve to suffer.”
But that’s also what ive heard from Christians about anything gay/trans. They dont say its fake, they say god made things the way they are on purpose and those urges and desires are temptations. They make it into a test of their faith.
“Oh you have CF? You must have sinned a lot.” (My friend, who is atheist) “yeah, actually. Dont really care though”. “Oh well if you pray every day and atone and blah blah God will save you, hes just waiting for you to reach out to him.”
“Oh you wanna dress like a girl? No no, this is a test, god wants to know you’re faithful. Repent for these thoughts and pray every day and atone […]”.
Any failures or faults are sin, at least with the Christians I know in my area. Gay, trans, genetic disorders, cancer, whatever.
So these ones, at least, admit gay/trans people exist. One of them even openly admitted to having those urges “once” but said he prayed the gay away.
I got a strong feeling he secretly hates himself in a few ways. The alcoholism was a big hint.
The short of it is “It’s not a mistake if it’s a test.”
Those diseases/disorders are your cross to bear presuming you believe in predestination which many denominations do not believe in, or at least that is what you would expect a believer to say
yes, that makes sense - so the idea is that someone struggling with gender dysphoria should just live with it and not treat the gender dysphoria …
(CW: Biblical quotes, transphobia ahead)
Though, I don’t find a scriptural basis for contemporary transphobia.
As far as I can tell, the clearest condemnation from the Bible is from Deuteronomy 22:5
A woman shall not wear a man’s apparel, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment; for whoever does such things is abhorrent to the LORD your God,
but I’m not sure scripture defines what is considered a man’s garment vs a woman’s, and most Christian women wear pants which until recently was considered only a man’s garment. Historically, men wore skirts before women did, and likewise with heels - skirts and heels were both originally men’s clothing, only later did they become women’s clothing. Either way, cross-dressing seems like the most overtly forbidden aspect from a scriptural argument.
Either way, there is no scriptural argument for why a trans woman shouldn’t take estrogen. Sometimes Christians will appeal to Genesis 1:27:
So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
This can be interpreted as enbyphobic and as denying the reality of agender folks, etc. - but it doesn’t expressly forbid a trans woman from taking estrogen, nor does it explicitly rule out gender expansive people.
In fact, in early Midrash viewed Adam as an androgyne, as having male and female parts, since God created Adam first and split the woman from him later, and since God made man and woman in his image, it is assumed God is both male and female.
A Christian might try to argue that Genesis is giving a rigid definition of humanity as only man and woman, and that this implies that men should only be like men or can’t become women (and vice versa), but that still doesn’t forbid taking estrogen either, nor does it prove a binary trans woman isn’t a woman. I wouldn’t assume a Christian believes the estrogen changes the essence of the person, and they will believe a man on estrogen is still a man.
Besides, Genesis just said God created mankind in his image, as male and female - God creates lots of things that then change later - we don’t argue that God made trees and now we can’t use them as lumber to make a house, a tree can become a house. An apple can become a pie, wheat can become beer, etc. Lots of animals God created change their sex, and there’s nothing explicit in Genesis that denies this, let alone denies its possibility for humans.
If anything, the Bible gives mixed messages on gender-diverse people.
For example, Deuteronomy 23:1 expressly forbids anyone who has had their testes removed (i.e. eunuchs) from being part of Israel:
No one who has been emasculated by crushing or cutting may enter the assembly of the Lord.
But then this is sorta reversed in Isiah 56:
For this is what the Lord says:
“To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths,
who choose what pleases me
and hold fast to my covenant—
to them I will give within my temple and its walls
a memorial and a name
better than sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name
that will endure forever.
…
And for Christians, in Matthew 19:12, Christ himself said:
For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.
The idea of “eunuchs who were born that way” indicates this was probably how they at the time thought of some intersex individuals and other gender-expansive folks, as eunuchs.
And the context of the quote is that Christ is responding to the question of whether it’s better not to marry, and in response he says some choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven, and that those who can should do so. Basically this sounds like a preference for not marrying and reproducing, and living like the eunuchs, and this also connotes a positive association with eunuchs.
Then in Acts 8:36-38 a eunuch asks what prevents him from being baptized, and then was baptized without issue:
As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?” And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.
In summary
- the Old Testament (OT) says cross-dressing is abhorrent to God
- OT also says eunuchs cannot be part of Israel / God’s chosen people
- OT also says in the new Israel eunuchs will be given a special place (an unfulfilled prophecy)
- the New Testament (NT) says people should live like eunuchs and not marry
- NT includes a scene where a eunuch is baptized
So it’s a bit of a mess, to be honest.
Those are the work of the devil, obviously.
Shame their god isn’t more powerful than their devil
god makes no mistakes, sure!
he gives us tests and hurdles to overcome, sure!
he gives us the intellect to develop science and medicine which bring us closer to understanding god!
by handling his tests with grace and strength of character, using the tools he gifted us we are gaining a better understanding of his plan. to not use the gifts he gave us to live our lives to the fullest, and assume we know better would be the true travesty
… right?
……… RIGHT???
Its always funny to use Christianity’s logic against themselves.
“god never makes mistakes” says the person whose beliefs come from a book with two very well known occasions of mistakes god made and proceeded to punish the entire earth (first sin in genesis is seen as the first bad thing ever, and it caused everything bad that animals do to start happening; the entire story of noa’s ark is that god made the mistake of creating humans and the only thing he could think of was to drown literally everything except for 2 of each animal. neither fixed anything, only made it all even worse)
If God never made mistakes than your existence as a transperson cannot be an error so to best honor God you should transition as you best see fit.
Oh snap!
Thanks for the transcription. I was really wondering who 60D was
God loves my trans homies.
hav u considered that god made me, who did a thing - sooooooo lik,.,-. since im not a mistake i cnt mak mistakes—
