Who cares about all the people he’ll hurt along the way amiright? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Says they dislike trump more than Democrats do then proceeds to explain why they don’t dislike trump more than Democrats do.
That checks out.
As an American socialist who has to deal with the collapse into fascism there is no material reason for me to advocate for accelerationism
Maybe if we already had a basis for socialist revolution to save us it would make sense. But there isn’t, collapse just means something worse is coming.
So socialists from other countries are cheerleading the collapse of us imperialism, which is objectively fair. But I also have to wonder how wise that is considering what I said above, the US isn’t collapsing into a peaceful socialist state but instead a war hungry fascist state which does not put an end to imperialism but rather makes it more direct and brutal
Either way, tankies seem to only admire theory and countries that say they’re socialist but actually aren’t. If your idea of socialism does not expand the definition of democracy to the workplace all the way up, with recall of representatives where direct democracy isn’t pragmatic, I don’t think it’s even worth considering as an alternative.
I’ll say it again, but “Dessalines” is legit in competition for the most cringe person on the Internet. Not only does he say shit like this all the time, but he’s draped himself in the moniker of an actual freedom fighter who overcame actual adversity to liberate actual people. Truly, the struggle from his air conditioned computer chair is comparable.
He’s one of the original Lemmy creators right?
Opressors need to look like they aren’t
He’s one of the original Lemmy creators right?
Who cares about all the people America is currently hurting and has hurt in the past amirite? smug bullshit
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Checkmate, shitlib
You need to read all 1469 pages of THEORY before we can even begin to have a conversation, libbity lib lib!
Yes the tankie argument is to highlight those hurt people.
And to make it worse.
If you keep putting shit covered bandages on a wound, you will stop the bleeding, and theoretically it’s better than no bandage at all, but you’re not fixing anything.
You will eventually need to cut away all the infected tissue and start serious reconstruction in order to save the area; but that all starts with stopping the people that insist the shit covered bandage is the only solution.
These are humans you’re advocating for hurting.
No, they’re the embedded rot of society that insists itself is necessary for the healing process.
I mean I am advocating for hurting ‘people,’ if you consider capitalists and their supporters people, but they absolutely need to be hurt for the rest of us to have a chance of survival.
Many trans people and disabled people on Benefits aren’t pro-trump. In fact those are some of the most leftist demographics. Yet they bear the brunt of the abuse under Trump.
You’re not going to hurt them enough for any meaningful change. You’re just hurting people under them.
Hopefully, then they’ll stop accepting getting stabbed in the face and do something about it after they start getting stabbed in the gut.
You will eventually need to cut away all the infected tissue and start serious reconstruction in order to save the area
This requires precision and care. Trump is lopping off all the limbs with a dull hatchet while punching the patient in the face and laughing about it, and you’re okay with it because there’s a melanoma on the toe. Fucking psychotic.
From your other comment below:
I mean I am advocating for hurting ‘people,’ if you consider capitalists and their supporters people
They are people, regardless of your attempt to dehumanize them. Most people in the capitalist west just don’t know that there are other ways to organize society, and instead of educating them and bringing them on board so we can change things, you’ve skipped all the way to “up against the wall”, because you don’t view others in the labor class as “people” unless they share your specific views. Again, fucking psychotic.
Practically nobody in the capitalist west is a capitalist, read your theory.
All the other nonsense only makes sense from the perspective of a privileged white middle class suburbanite.
Practically nobody in the capitalist west is a capitalist, read your theory.
Literally my point. Read my comment again.
All the other nonsense only makes sense from the perspective of a privileged white middle class suburbanite.
Oh look, more language to dehumanize those of the proletariat who don’t share your specific view of things. Good job.
Absolutely psychotic.
Petite bourgeoisie aren’t quite proletariat.
unironically Germany KPD supporting NSDAP to their rise be like
Accelerationism has worked every single time.
I love being called an acceptable loss, truly it will all be worth it when the
rapturerevolution comes.Everyone knows the people most able to take power in the US if shit goes off kilter are the true leftists and not the batshit right wing crank militias that keep clogging up my ham radio.
Okay they’re being stupid about it (Trump is a liberal? C’mon) but they’re right. The ends do justify the means in this case, because Americans have repeatedly failed to get to these ends via any other means. If America won’t stop being imperialist, I’ll settle for them being incompetently imperialist thank you. I mean don’t get me wrong the best scenario is still for an anti-imperialist government to take power in America, but that doesn’t seem awfully likely.
Liberalism isn’t just as defined by USA.
I can’t say yet the ends justify the means. That depends whether what rises from the ashes is better or worse for the entire planet.
You can only say “ends justify the means” if you can achieve the ends, otherwise you loose. The whole point of the saying is that the reaching the goal is the only important thing, how you get there does not matter. We’ll have to wait and see if the destination will be reached.
The whole point of the saying is that the reaching the goal is the only important thing, how you get there does not matter.
Actually, the whole point of the saying is that the ends do not justify the means. Not in that way, at least. Machiavelli was a much cooler person than people give him credit.
The prince who reaches his ends does not become justified in the moral sense of being proven right or just. They are not a ‘good’ person because they achieved their ends, even if the ends were noble.
They become justified in the sense of being absolved by society and not being held to account for their crimes.
In the actions of all men, and especially of princes, where there is no court to appeal to, one looks to the end. So let prince win and maintain his state: the means will always be judged honorable, and will be praised by everyone.
In other words, “The ends justify the means” does not mean “the end was worthy of the means.”
It means whoever wins in the end will not be held accountable for the means they used to get there.
What he says is true though.
Morality is not a law of nature.
I’m not sure how what you said contradicts what I wrote.
Yes, thanks for rephrasing.
That depends whether what rises from the ashes is better or worse for the entire planet.
I don’t know whether it’ll be better or worse, but either way it’ll be weaker. Assuming Trump has his way, it’ll be a long time—if ever—before America can throw its way around the world like it does today. The web of alliances (read: army of accomplices) it uses to bully the Global South into submission is irreparably broken.
The weird thing is you could probably describe the Republican party as liberal for most of their existence but not anymore certainly. Certainly not the last 10 years. Trump’s what killed that.
I dunno, Im no Tankie but I was filled with a certain amount of this. No one I know owns any stocks. I was very eager to see dumbfucks who voted for him lose everything, and rich assholes who supported lose something
Most Americans own some stocks. Many working class people are relying on retirement portfolios that they’ve been building up for decades. If this causes another recession we’re all going to pay.
Most do, sure, but it uneven. The higher the income, the higher the likelyhood of stock ownership. Do I have more in common with someone making 62k a year than someone making 100 mil? Sure. Do I understand conceptually that a recession would basically wiped me (and the entire lower class) out? Of course.
But please, understand my point.
He’s russian, anything for the fall of their enemy state is good.
He’s a shithead but what’s your claim for him being russian?
He once shared that his Russian parents took him to Canada when he was ten or so.
Thanks. So he’s not a russian resident, just born in russia.
Surprisingly common attitude with Russians who move away from their homeland. They throw support behind the Russian regime and attack the West for everything despite living comfortably in Western countries, not having to suffer under the regime they love so much.
I’ve been banned from lemmy.ml for stating that Russia invaded Ukraine.
They actively ban anyone who doesn’t support Russian propaganda.
Is he not literally russian citizen? I swear i read it somewhere a year or so back. Or speculation maybe, because he seems to strongly support the invasion and has been actively deny russia’s wrong doing. He’s not just a shithead, he’s more than that.
Are you actually asking if Donald Trump is a Russian citizen? Because you “swear you read it somewhere a year or so back?”
Trump being a Russian asset is (imo) extremely plausible and a discussion worthy of being had. Trump being a citizen of Russia is extremely easily disproven by doing maybe 120 seconds of searching.
? The whole post is talking about Dessaline, where’s Trump even relevant here?
I’m sorry, that was my mistake. I thought you were referring to the subject not the author. I was wrong.
I believe they’re referring to Dessalines. Not Trump.
Yes, that was my mistake.
Oh no (a random person opinion that won’t affect anything)
Anyways
This isn’t a random person lol, but yes
I think this community has lost sight of what we believe “tankies” are
Nah, the accelerationism at the center of OP is rejected by basically every branch of the left. Doesn’t work. Just causes suffering in the short run with little to no gain in the long run. Doing literally nothing is a better plan.
They’re bringing it up to deflect from the fact that they directly helped a fascist take power and pretending this was the plan the whole time.
Could you elaborate?
Edit: Huh, guess they couldn’t. Oh well.
