• pelespirit@sh.itjust.worksM
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    Is the first one Disney? If so, 2 of 3 are confirmed Nazis, so yeah, huge red flag. Steve Jobs was just a dick, right?

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      The behind the bastards about Jobs was fucking wild. The guy made children cry (not his own) for eating incorrectly and he would hold meetings in the bathroom so he could soak his feet in the toilets. It is a great series of episodes.

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        I’ll look for that one, he’s great. Sometimes, it’s just too hard to listen to, but Jobs would probably be okay.

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        The same dude who refused cancer treatment because he was convinced his “healthy” lifestyle and alt med bullshit would cure the cancer itself

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          If I recall it was a small girl who ordered a hamburger which conflicted with what he thought a proper diet should be. He absolutely let her have it in public and she cried.

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        and he would hold meetings in the bathroom so he could soak his feet in the toilets.

        Pardon?

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      Musk started out as just a dick then turned full fascist. I bet Jobs wouldn’t be too far behind if he was alive.

      The guy died from a treatable cancer because he listened to a health guru instead of doctors. I bet he would be an antivax idiot gulping down horse dewormer to prevent COVID-19 if was alive today.

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      At least jobs had the presence of mind to let himself die of a curable condition because he thought he knew better.

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      Was Disney a Nazi? I know he wasn’t a good person, but I hadn’t heard that. Is there any further reading you could link me? A cursory search didn’t find much other than the fact that he seems totally cool working with anti-semites, which isn’t really the same thing. If he was, I’d like to know, and if not, we should be more precise with our language so when we call out people like Elon it means something.

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        we should be more precise with our language

        I swear this exact phrase is an FBI plot to get people to doubt everything they see and hear.

        “That school shooter was a nazi” “Well, we ought to be careful when saying things like that.”
        “Elon Musk is a nazi.” “And what has he done exactly? You know, it’s important to be precise. The story of the boy who cried wolf is that …”
        “Hitler was a nazi.” “Well, he was in charge of the nazis. Specificity is really important when handling delicate matters like these, you know.”

        Not to pick on you specifically, but I am so fucking tired of hearing it.

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          I totally get that, but there’s a big difference between “this guy did a Nazi salute” or “this guy idolized Hitler” and “this guy worked with anti-semites.” I don’t think we should be using the word Nazi to mean “racist person,” as Nazi is pretty specific. I certainly hope I don’t come across as making any of the above arguments. Ford was a Nazi. Elon is a Nazi. I haven’t seen evidence suggesting Disney is the same, and I think it would be irresponsible to turn Nazi into a generic pejorative for “bigot.”

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            To be clear, I have no idea what Walt is or isn’t. I’m not making a claim there, haha.

            it would be irresponsible to turn Nazi into a generic pejorative for “bigot.”

            I agree… especially if we’re talking about historical figures who might be pretty far removed from the modern political climate.

            But to be fair, there is a pretty direct connection between bigotry and nazis, modern or otherwise.

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            but there’s a big difference between “this guy did a Nazi salute” or “this guy idolized Hitler” and “this guy worked with anti-semites.”

            Umm… Is there?

            If you’re sitting at a table with 9 Nazis, then that’s a table of 10 Nazis.

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              I (a Jewish person) draw a distinction between antisemitism and Nazism. Nazis aren’t just racist, they’re fascist, with a specific set of beliefs. All I can verify is that Disney associated with racists in Hollywood willingly. I find it hard to believe that if Disney was a Nazi sympathizer, he would’ve produced so many anti-Nazi propaganda films. To give a good analogy, someone might be racist towards Palestinians and Arab people without being Zionist. That’s a more specific belief that includes racism.

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          I swear the over use of the term nazi is what got us to this place where people don’t believe Musk is one after doing two sieg heils during the inauguration.

          Criticizing the term’s over use is not the same as denying their existence or horribleness.

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            Criticizing the term’s over use

            You can’t police overuse. Just disagree and move on.

            By constantly handwringing about it every single time it comes up, you end up teaching people that that’s the way you are supposed to react to this information. It becomes a thought terminating cliche. Somebody says nazi, and the first thing anyone else thinks about is “well, they’re probably just being hyperbolic.” You’re reinforcing the same narrative.

            Like, a good nazi accusation usually comes with an argument. “Such and such is a nazi because of these 6 things I saw them do, and they kicked a dog also,” but even then, people will twist themselves into pretzels about whether the word is still “too much” or not. You have to cut them off. It’s not relevant. It doesn’t need to be given dignity as a criticism. It only serves as a distraction from the 6 points.

            People do the exact same thing about the word genocide.

            Think about it this way: an actual nazi benefits from these terms being muddy and unworkable, so our strategy cannot depend on clear waters; we will never get them.

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      Many young men who can’t find a partner are getting radicalized by the manosphere.

      Women are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

      Edit: this is calling out how women are criticized for both dating and not dating conservative men. Leave to to Lemmy’s male echo chamber to explain how this is not the case.

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        I don’t get your logic. You’re saying he would be a nice person if he got some? In my experience all that does is justify all their toxic masculinity because it finally worked and now they have a partner.

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          Nope. Completely missing the point here.

          This comment isn’t criticizing women’s dating preferences, it’s criticizing the criticism on women’s dating preferences.

          People blame women for not dating moderate to conservative men, hurting their egos, and further funnelling them into the alt right pipeline.

          People blame women for dating conservative men which affirms their political views.

          It doesn’t matter if women date conservatives men or not, someone will find a way to point fingers.

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            Then you need to work on your communication skills because what you said was “their damned if they do, and damned if they don’t”.

            Your inability to articulate yourself correctly does not constitute a problem on our part. Your edit is petty all you have to do was clearly explain yourself but instead you went on a rent about how everyone isn’t psychic.

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        Just to clarify, are you blaming women for not having sex with these men?

        The solution involves good healthcare, education, social safety, and respect. Men with no jobs, no role models, entitlement (particularly to relationships and/or sex), no apparent future, and bad mental health support are a recipe for disaster.

        I should know as I used to tick a number of those boxes. I think, had I been younger when YouTube and stuff came around, I’d have fallen prey to far right conspiricies

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          Nope. You’ve got it the other way around. I’m blaming people for criticizing women’s dating preferences no matter if they date conservatives or not.

          People blame women for refusing to date moderate to conservative men, hurting their egos, and funnelling them further into the alt-right pipeline.

          People blame women for dating conservative men and affirming their conservative views.

          It doesn’t matter what political preferences women have, there is just no winning here.

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        like, it doesn’t work that way. there should be a social contract saying “people take care of each other, that’s how society works”.

        i get that you’re saying women shouldn’t despise men just for being men (and i could agree to that), but that doesn’t mean they have to accept any kind of bullshit. it’s good to stand against the right-wing sociopathy and reject relationships with these people. because ultimately, these people don’t take care of you either. right-wingers are often against basic human needs.

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    Guys, I’m gonna set my room up with large pictures of Mr. House from New Vegas, Bob Page from Deus Ex, and uh… I dunno, Eldon Tyrell from Blade Runner.

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    Double bed in the corner? Pillows with no covers? You matched with a child.

    Oh yeah, and the Nazi pictures. That’s bad too.

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      Now I’ll be the first one to hate on organ thief Steve Jobs, but I don’t think he was a nazi, more of a hippy psycho cult leader.

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        I was talking about the posters of Nazis. I should’ve been more clear.

        EDIT - To be perfectly clear. There are two pictures of Nazis, and one picture of someone who would have been a Nazi supporter if he didn’t prematurely die of hubris.

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        Yeah, Jobs wasn’t a Nazi, he was mostly an asshole that stole the surplus value from his employees and also credit for the work his employees did

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      I wondered if I was the only one who had this take. Mattress on the floor. Must be 18yo. I can cut them some slack cause I had the same at 18yo. And that explains the childlike hero-worship of jackasses (and I really like Steve Jobs as a product guy).

      Were I a young woman, I wouldn’t consider this person safe to be alone with. Not because of the shitty bed. Because of the psychotic worship of shitty men.

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        We had a mattress on a homemade base for a while as parents in our 30s because our first child fell from the bed, which was pretty high as beds go.

        So we built this frame on the floor so that our kid could get in and out of the bed with minimal effort, and if she fell, she would fall the height of the mattress.

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    Let’s play a game. What’s the fourth picture on his wall that we can’t see

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    that guy is someone you definitely cover your drink around