• OleDoxieDad@lemmy.world
    1·
    7 天前

    Converting a PDF to Excel repeatedly on Adobe by clearing the browsing history each time, saves you hundreds a year.

  • ssillyssadass@lemmy.world
    275·
    9 天前

    Computers have been dumbed down and simplified for the masses. When I was a kid a computer did not cooperate until you raised your voice.

  • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.worldEnglish
    177·
    9 天前

    I can:

    • Accomplish damn near anything from a command line
    • Write machine code
    • Remember a fairly broad swath of special character altcodes without looking them up
    • Disassemble damn near any computer or other machine, and stand a good chance of putting it back together

    But also:

    • Use modern programming languages, including object oriented paradigms
    • Actually read what is on my screen and comprehend it, including error messages
    • Understand and operate any arbitrary interface without having to have it explained to me by rote

    Behold my mixture of skills, and tremble.

    • TheEntity@lemmy.world
      122·
      9 天前

      Can you summarize this in a vertical video? I stopped reading after the third word, I’m here for memes, not to read a damned book!

      • PolarisFx@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        3·
        9 天前

        Depends, my browser has mostly taken over as my pdf viewer and I think it lacks the functionality but if I were to install a cracked copy of Acrobat Pro or PhantomPDF then that’s like a 2 click operation.

    • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      8·
      9 天前

      I can

      • reinstall VLC

      oh wait that was all the dependencies VLC needed, I deleted them??, oh no, oh crap. Why isn’t my password working, help???

      (real reason why my first Ubuntu distro got nuked)

      • uranibaba@lemmy.world
        3·
        9 天前

        I once wanted to move all the files in the folder was I in to another folder and I did something like mv /* ../. What is important here is that I did /* and not ./*. Fortunately it was only a raspberry pi so it went fast to flash the SD card.

        Also, how did you go about reinstalling VLC if you deleted all dependencies?

        • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1·
          9 天前

          that I did /* and not ./*

          that’s so funny but so sad 😭😭

          how did you go about reinstalling VLC if you deleted all dependencies

          I just distrohopped to kubuntu instead lol

    • ZorsithEnglish
      6·
      9 天前

      I’d argue at a certain depth in an OS its actually harder to do things with a GUI than a command line

    • otacon239@lemmy.world
      5·
      9 天前

      The day I started learning Regex was the day I felt like I was really learning computers. I went from 2 hour tasks to 15 minutes.

      I doubt you’d even be able to reasonably explain what they are let alone how they work to the average person outside the Millennial generation.

      I fear AI data processing will replace much of the Regex skill set. Why learn Regex when the computer just does it for you… 🙄

      • mearce@programming.dev
        1·
        9 天前

        I agree that regex is an important thing to learn. Not sure any old LLM would do a very good job, and I hope that no tool replaces people actually learning how to write regex.

        I’m not sure what you mean about the average person outside the millennial generation not understanding them, though. Maybe I’m mistaken, but I don’t think the ‘average’ person in any generation knows what regex is. Unless there is some reason the average millennial was actually exposed to them and forced to understand them?

        As for being doubtful that anyone could understand them aside from a millennial, I assume you’re being hyperbolic? Sort of sounds like “Kids these days can never learn what I learned!” (I’m teasing).

        Anyway I’m in agreement with you. This thread did remind me of a pretty neat project that, while still requiring domain knowledge, could save some time and be a good learning tool without being as fallible of a crutch as an LLM.

        Have not tried it, and am not an experienced developer, so I am curious to your thoughts/criticisms: https://github.com/pemistahl/grex

        • PolarisFx@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          2·
          9 天前

          That’s a good idea actually. I hate writing regex, so I asked Gemini to do it just now. Once I explained it in the format it wanted: what the source would be, what I wanted filtered and the language I planned to use it with it spat out a perfect expression without me needing to even use my brain. Technology is wonderful.

          • mearce@programming.dev
            1·
            9 天前

            I’m sure LLMs can get it right, but if I was going to use a tool for something like that, I’d want one that was more deterministic like the linked tool claims to be.

        • otacon239@lemmy.world
          1·
          9 天前

          Yeah, I am exaggerating a bit, but I’ve not met anyone under the age of 25 that’s even remotely interested in putting in the effort to learn (anecdotal, I’m aware). Many have expressed wanting to learn, but then they never follow up when I try and pursue teaching anything.

          And I’m not necessarily saying that the average person already understands them, but someone from our generation will probably pick them up far more quickly then your average Gen Z/Gen A.

          • mearce@programming.dev
            2·
            8 天前

            Maybe what you’re claiming is true, I don’t know whether is ‘probable’.

            I poked fun at this before, but I don’t think it came across. If I’m not mistaken, millennials were the subject of a lot of boomer complaints about “kids these days”, being called lazy or entitled etc…

            Maybe zoomers are dumber, maybe they’re full of microplastics and entitlement. Or maybe this thread is an example of the “chastise the next generation” history repeating. One generation is lumped together and shat on by older generations, some of which then make similar claims about the next generation(s) all backed up with nothing but anecdotes and confirmation bias.

            I’m not trying to take dig at you, but I do want to highlight the similarities between claims like these and when a boomer might’ve said “I know a millennial who spends more on coffee than I would, so millennials are bad with their money. Millennials, who are bad with their money, cant afford houses. Yet they act entitled to homeownership, and so, they are lazy.” It’s a claim that assumes something about the integrity and intelligence of a swath of people and ignores the systemic issues that made homeownership hard for many millennials compared to past generations.

            Again, maybe you are right, I do not know. I don’t think, though, that boomer rhetoric that shat on millennials as a whole was particularly accurate or productive.

            • otacon239@lemmy.world
              3·
              8 天前

              I certainly don’t blame them for these pitfalls I don’t think it’s laziness. It’s 100% a lack of education. Teachers have all but given up trying to get kids to pay attention in class. It’s become a snowball effect.

              When I was in school, most of my classmates took it seriously and took much of the education at face value. And almost all of my classmates are people that could handle the full Office suite.

              Now it seems every kid thinks they already know computers because they started with an iPad at the age of 4, but what they don’t realize is phones and tablets are the equivalent to toys.

              You don’t ever actually learn how to use a phone. Just individual apps. People don’t even really browse the internet blindly anymore.

              I think it’s probably the difference that a lot of boomers probably saw with cars in the 2000s-2010s. It used to be everyone had a rough idea of how a car worked and most people could learn in a year or two how to do basic stuff.

              Now it’s all a closed magic box requiring a full technical degree. Phones fell the same. Its a magic box that they never had the opportunity to wonder how it worked.

      • merc@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        7 天前

        Silly millennial, even Boomers were using regexen in the 70s, and they were commonplace by the time GenX nerds started playing with them in the 80s and 90s. Your elders also know that regexen are fun but extremely dangerous, and should only be used in cases where they won’t make things much worse.

    • kazaika@lemmy.world
      3·
      9 天前

      … modern … Object oriented

      wat?

      Bro that shits like 30 years old and most langs released after lets say 2010 have put that stuff in the backseat for backwards compatibility. Anyway I get your point

      operate any arbitrary interface

      Dont believe it. Behold the shittyness of modern UI

    • Emerald@lemmy.world
      3·
      9 天前

      Understand and operate any arbitrary interface without having to have it explained to me by rote

      Omg, this all the way. I’m in a class for learning AWS stuff and its crazy the amount of people who suddenly can’t do anything when one button is on a different screen than the instructions told them it was. Like come on, use some basic thinking skills.

      Another infuriating situation was having to do a class on Microsoft Office. It was infuriating because it was incredibly basic stuff. I’ve never used Outlook before, but I completed each task they asked of me in like 5 seconds because I have a basic understanding of how software works.

    • Emerald@lemmy.world
      1·
      9 天前

      Remember a fairly broad swath of special character altcodes

      I use the compose key. When you message with me, you are sure to receive proper dashes and real ellipsis.

      Well, unless I happen to be using my phone or another computer at the time.

      • doctordevice@lemmy.ca
        2·
        9 天前

        Hold on — why can’t you do proper ellipses and dashes on your phone? I don’t understand…

        This message brought to you by Android.

        • Emerald@lemmy.world
          1·
          9 天前

          Well there is no em dash or en dash key on the mobile keyboard. And there isn’t a … key either.

          • doctordevice@lemmy.ca
            3·
            9 天前

            I typed my comment above on my mobile keyboard. I’m just using the standard Google keyboard on my Pixel, nothing fancy. Em and en dash are available by holding on the hyphen, and the ellipsis is available by holding on the period (annoyingly, only when on the numbers/symbols page).

    • baines@lemmy.cafeEnglish
      1·
      8 天前

      Bobby no one’s paying you for this shit, go show Billy how to sum numbers in Excel.

    • merc@sh.itjust.works
      1·
      7 天前

      Write machine code? For what kind of processor?

      That is one ability that doesn’t really belong. That’s much more of a Boomer thing. Not all boomers, obviously, but the ones who were computer experts were the ones who had to learn machine code. By the time even Gen X came along, assembler and C were already much more common.

    • superkret@feddit.org
      2·
      7 天前

      Gen X could write a program that’ll make a floppy drive’s loading noises play the Imperial March.

    • MochiGoesMeow@lemmy.zipEnglish
      48·
      9 天前

      Hahaha its funny each time that happens.

      My uncle is GenX and way smarter than my millennial ass. They paved the way for child free poppin off and being tech savvy with a normal tech free upbringing.

      Anecdotal I know. But always funny how self centered us millenials can be thinking were the last normal generation.

    • TexasDrunk@lemmy.world
      29·
      9 天前

      I figured they were talking about the Oregon Trail generation. It’s made up of the folks who were old enough and young enough to play the game in schools and spans across parts of X and millennials.

    • blitzen@lemmy.ca
      7·
      9 天前

      Probably. But if I’m being generous, we’re really only talking about younger X and older millennials.

      • tomenzgg@midwest.socialEnglish
        1·
        8 天前

        This always surprises me as I’m younger millennial and my Gen X dad always feels more technologically behind than me.

        But it’s funny because I’m only so into computers because of him as he had things like Windows 3.1 and 95 and 98 in our home from a young age and he even went to school for C++ but he doesn’t really remember it (it got him an accounting gig) and his pursual of technology these days is pretty limited to pre-built stuff from Samsung and Sony than any real grasp of how it works. I struggle to get him to show even passing interest in something like Linux (like, I get liking Windows; you grew up with it: you’re more comfortable with it. But not even curiosity, even if you’ll never use it?).

        Expert on Excel and OneNote (because it’s his daily bread-and-butter) but probably would ask for my help on rotating a PDF.

        What OP describes sounds much more aligned to my millennial peers than the bulk of Gen. X I know.

    • SuperNovaStarEnglish
      4·
      9 天前

      Honestly? Why do we let people who have no clue what’s actually going on decide the generations?

      Oregon Trail generation sounds great.

      I’m in the Minecraft generation.

      Don’t know what the next generation would want to be called, but they’re the iPad kids for sure.

    • TwanHE@lemmy.world
      4·
      9 天前

      Or those of us from Gen Z that where born just at the cutoff and got tech acces at a way to young age.

  • Chloé 🥕
    91·
    9 天前

    in today’s edition of “why are the kids I raised so damn incompetent?”

    i long for a day where people understand that it’s not the ipad kid’s fault they were given a tablet at age 2

    • chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      23·
      9 天前

      That’s… part of it, but part of it is just ease of use. In growing up, I had to figure out issues with my computer,and getting games etc working took some work to do. I build a gaming PC for my nephew(under 10, but games a lot mobile and with consoles) and he played a few games on it, but then my sister (a gamer herself) said he couldn’t really get used to keyboard over controller (at which point I reminded her she could just get him a PC controller or use one of the console ones that also work on PC).

      He just seems to prefer to use things that are already intuitive, and since my childhood things have gotten much better in that regard for consoles and mobile stuff. You can definitely do it on PC as well, but it often means more accessories, sometimes figuring out issues . I got another sister of mine a controller for pc and it took a bit of effort getting it properly synced for the game she wanted to play. It would show up properly in the OS, but then the game he issues, so we had to switch through modes and such, and sometimes even though one mode may work an update or something may break it.

      I like using controllers for some games, and WASD for others, but even though IT is my job and I’m good at fixing things, some games have weird issues with some controllers, especially if they have mode options. All that extra fixing and finding the right settings is just frustrating for some, and with easy to use alternatives they may not bother to learn. I had no choice, just SNES and pc while growing up.

    • Default_Defect@midwest.socialEnglish
      5·
      9 天前

      No one taught me how to use a computer, I figured it out as I went. I had to tell my 25 year old brother that theres more than one USB port on the back of his computer because he only saw the one in the front and asked me where he plugs in the keyboard and mouse.

      Part of the issue for a lot of the older and younger crowd is “Well, it’s not immediately obvious, so therefore its impossible and now I’m mad at you for it.”

  • tantalizer@lemmy.worldEnglish
    81·
    9 天前

    The amount of my students that wrote the whole email in the subject line is crazy. At first I thought it was a mistake or something. But there are sooo many…

    They also don’t know what a file browser/explorer is. As soon as the download notification is gone, the file doesn’t exist anymore.

    Giving files proper names? Unheard of!

    • FrChazzz@lemm.eeEnglish
      40·
      9 天前

      So many Boomers I know do the subject line thing, I had no idea it was a Zoomer thing too. Oh no…

      • Novaling@lemmy.zipEnglish
        9·
        9 天前

        I’m pretty computer literate (I’m using Fedora silver blue now and I’m a cyber college student), and I’m gen z.

        I hated our digital literacy units in school, because it was always the most braindead shit every year. Stuff that you shouldn’t have to explain to a person every year, like digital footprint (think before you post), make sure it’s a https website, and misinformation vs disinformation. I wanna cry because my tech and society class I’m taking right now feels like the same shit, but I’m paying now.

        I’m not sure how they should revamp, but maybe they need to show modern examples like the honey scam, the thousands of Tiktok influencers who admitted they lied about the stuff they sold when they thought the service was shutting down, and how Google search is forcing shitty AI results. But we do have the unit, it just feels braindead to anyone like me who gives a damn about the services they use online. But I’m a nerd who looks at privacy/cyber shit for fun for hours, not TikTok dual screen braindead…

        • tomenzgg@midwest.socialEnglish
          2·
          8 天前

          I mean, people always think teaching not to bully people is boringly obvious and it is, if you stop to think about the concept in theory, but it can be different, when you’re in the heat of the moment; teaching the fundamentals do help people, even if painfully clear to those at a higher level. I think those’re actually pretty good.

          The issue (as you’ve kinda noted) is they never go beyond that. The Honey scan might be hard to impart as, if I didn’t know some of how the system worked because I program for a living, it would’ve seemed like magic gibberish. The other two are good ones, though.

          Honestly, teaching the fundamentals of how the intervals work in some way I think would go far. The number of people who don’t know what file extensions are always worry me.

    • LiveLM@lemmy.zipEnglish
      15·
      9 天前

      Giving files proper names? Unheard of!

      What kinda monster manages to live like this??? I say hushedly deleting flsjfjsjfksj.pdf

    • SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works
      3·
      9 天前

      As soon as the download notification is gone, the file doesn’t exist anymore.

      That seems to be how Android literally works though.

  • Vespair@lemm.ee
    74·
    9 天前

    I think Zoomers need a generational divide in their generation, tbh. In my experience, older Zoomers are intelligent, capable, motivated, and largely leftist. For some unknown reason though, younger Zoomers are ignorant, prudish, too easily contented, and weirdly conservative. I have yet to understand what happened to cause the divide, and I can’t point to any stats or evidence to support this belief, but anecdotally I have noticed this trend within my own life and spheres of influence.

    • Doctor_Satan@lemm.ee
      43·
      9 天前

      For some unknown reason though, younger Zoomers are ignorant, prudish, too easily contented, and weirdly conservative. I have yet to understand what happened to cause the divide,

      The online manosphere/tradtube spent the past 10-15 years raising these kids while their parents fucked off. That’s what happened. These are the kids who made people like Andrew Tate famous, and made Joe Rogan way more relevant than he has any right to be. It’s a great lesson in why people need to pay more attention to the media that their children consume.

      • kameecoding@lemmy.world
        16·
        9 天前

        That, and it’s unsurprisingly connect to the piewdiepie fascist pipeline thing, Helldivers popular as fuck, Warhammer 40K having a renessaince, I see plenty of shorts about how boys want to die a heroic death, that’s a fucking staple of fascism

        This is such a good video on this stuff, how young kids get sucked into fascism layer by layer https://youtu.be/pnmRYRRDbuw

        https://youtu.be/P55t6eryY3g

        • SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works
          7·
          9 天前

          Most of the reasonably intelligent people playing Helldivers know full well that it is satire with a side of sick sarcasm.

          If anything it’s antifascist indoctrination on a grand scale.

          • monarch@lemm.eeEnglish
            9·
            9 天前

            I think a lot of people meme too hard and you end up with a the_Donald situation where all of a sudden the people agreeing with your jokes aren’t aware you’re joking. I have seen multiple right wing review channels unironically praise the helldivers government.

        • Doctor_Satan@lemm.ee
          2·
          9 天前

          Yeah Pewdiepie was an entry point for kids. There were a ton of them back in the early 00s that did video games and other seemingly innocuous stuff on YouTube, but would slow-drip the racism, homophobia, and other forms of bigotry, while promoting the “heroic death” trope. I have two nephews who loved those TY channels, and luckily my brother caught on real quick to their game and made some changes. Now I have two full grown Leftist nephews.

      • Vespair@lemm.ee
        10·
        9 天前

        I agree with this, but what made this different then our generation or early zoomers? I was raised online as a house with an internet-connected home PC in the early-to-mid 90s with two parents who worked until night; there were grifters and proto-manosphere groups then and I’m sure moreso for the early zoomers, so I have to assume there was either some change in the methodology behind the delivery in these messages or, more likely, some change in the parental oversight, but I can’t identify exactly when or what

        • kugel7c@feddit.orgDeutsch
          6·
          9 天前

          I think perhaps in tandem with education - parental or institutional - getting even worse/changing from what you or I might be used to. The shift from search to algorithm as the primary way to interact with the Internet is also a significant factor, the Internet might’ve changed significantly before I was really there, but it certainly changed 2008-2016 mostly in that shift from search to platform/algorithm.

          And early zoomers might’ve started their online existence just around the start of that transition while late zoomers, basically only know the Plattform/App/Algorithm world we have today.

          If you were to be really cynical about it : The powers at be started losing the control over the messaging specifically to the online world, and managed to grapple it back starting in the mid 2000s just as the size/power of the space became significant. Zoomers might be here or there depending on how and when their first online experiences played out.

          I’m just on the very earliest of zoomers, and my cohort largely got hit with 2008 as we were just starting to grapple with politics, and with 2016 right around graduating high school. For me Search was the Internet starting point, Wiki, YT and forums all in service to my curiosity and also there for my entertainment/ placating.

          perhaps for someone a bit later it’s all just entertainment, no problem solving, no strange sub subculture, just whatever you desire to see or listen to or read imidiately there, without you even needing to think about it, so accurately getting your attention that it’s perhaps more attractive than thinking, or making a decision.

          The bad habit is there for me too, I think some younger people might not be able to even recognize it as such, maybe for them that’s just how the world works.

    • Camelbeard@lemmy.world
      18·
      9 天前

      Even with millennials (1981 to 1996) there is a big difference when you where born.

      If you are an early millennial you grew up with MS-DOS, so you had to learn the terminal to get anything done. You probably had your first smartphone after you where 25.

      If you are a late millennial you grew up with Windows XP and probably had a smartphone as a teen.

      • thebigslime@lemmy.world
        7·
        8 天前

        Circa 1990 didn’t get smartphones as teens. The iPhone launched on only AT&T in the US in 2007. We were all locked into 2 year contracts back then with LG Envys and Motorola Razrs.

      • Vespair@lemm.ee
        5·
        9 天前

        Of course, it just seems to me like there’s a more distinct mid-generation cultural shift rather than just technological in comparison to our generation, and I am curious about potential catalysts. But again, I can only speak from my experience and personal exposure, so there is the possibility of locality specificity as well as other variables, so everyone remember I am just a layman and weigh my experience anecdotally rather than definitively.

      • Vespair@lemm.ee
        5·
        9 天前

        That has not been my experience, no. I am speaking younger adults, not teenagers; I don’t really have many interactions with teenagers or children these days so I don’t have enough experience with alphas to have really any sort of opinion on them. As I understand it, Gen A starts after 2010, so any adult today would still be a Zoomer. Granted of course that “generations” are a loosely-defined concept so the years they are defined as may vary, but it is my understanding that the typical understanding of Zoomer goes as far as 2010 at least.

        • Genius@lemmy.zip
          11·
          9 天前

          Boomers 1945-1960
          Gen X 1960-1980
          Millennials 1980-2000
          Zoomers 2000-2020
          Gen alpha 2020-2040

          If we’re going to have a made up system with no rules, it might as well be well ordered.

          • Vespair@lemm.ee
            9·
            9 天前

            Convenient as that potentially would be, that does not seem to be the popular understanding, and I see no reason not to use to the conventional understanding in a case where stubbornness is unlikely to shift said understanding.

            Hopefully unnecessarily preemptive “if you don’t like Wikipedia” invitation to websearch using the engine of your choice and observe the general response without hunting for a cherry-pickable example which defines them as such.

            edit: i noticed you were downvoted and feel compelled to mention that I did not downvote you; it’s weird to downvote people for normal conversation.

            • Ultraviolet@lemmy.worldEnglish
              5·
              9 天前

              15 year generations don’t really make sense though, the whole concept of a generation is that they’re the previous generation’s kids.

              • Vespair@lemm.ee
                3·
                9 天前

                I don’t disagree, but unfortunately nobody granted me authority on the general consensus on this one. I will say though that lineagial generations feel like only one possible definition, and cultural generations defined by common cultural experience (as is the case we’re discussing) feel like they have some validity for me as well.

    • Tencho@lemmy.world
      9·
      9 天前

      As an old zoomer I’ve observed a sharp difference between 2001 zoomers and 2004 zoomers far beyond a simple 3 year maturity difference. Its jarring.

      • Vespair@lemm.ee
        4·
        9 天前

        I’m sure this had profound impact, but frankly we all lived through it so I find it hard to accept as the sole or majority-dominant reason alone, personally.

        • tacobellhop@midwest.socialEnglish
          13·
          9 天前

          It’s not that we all experienced it but what stage of mental development we were at when we experienced it.

          Not everyone experiences a shared experience the same way.

          • Vespair@lemm.ee
            6·
            9 天前

            That’s fair. This may be it then; as somebody who sort of “speed ran” childhood due to my circumstances it might just be hard for me to understand and relate to the normal developmental cycle and the impact of such things during it. Thanks for the perspective, cheers.

        • monarch@lemm.eeEnglish
          2·
          9 天前

          I was never a “main friend” in any of the groups I interacted with. I hung out with a lot of people on a very shallow level. When covid hit I stopped talking to all of them. it was nearly a year of me only seeing my parents and sibling because a family member is immunocompromised. I still struggle to make real connections after that and I was at the end of highschool. If that had hit in middleschool when I was still taking “cool” seeming peoples sord as gossiple I have known idea what it would have done to me.

  • TommySoda@lemmy.world
    54·
    9 天前

    We got a new kid around 19 working at our office for processing data and I hate how true this is. The amount of times I’ve had to say “No, you have to double click to open folders” is entirely too many. Either that or “You have to actually right click on the icon you want to copy you can’t just click anywhere on the screen.”

    • other_cat@lemmy.zipEnglish
      17·
      9 天前

      You know, I can forgive tech illiteracy. I don’t like it, but I can forgive it. What I can’t forgive is a basic inability to retain new information.

      You gotta teach someone to double click on something to open it? Fine. But you should only have to do that once.

    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
      8·
      9 天前

      The amount of times I’ve had to say “No, you have to double click to open folders”

      That’s a real problem when you’re used to Kde and have to use a windows machine.

      (Why is this damn thing so slow ? Oooh, right, double click)

      • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        9 天前

        You can absolutely configure Windows to open folders – and all other shortcuts – with a single click, and IIRC one of the knocks against Windows ME was that this was the default option. And it was godawful, along with the “click” noise it made on navigation. (I think it was WinME. I’ve probably suppressed the memory, and rightly so.)

        But the long and short of it is if you want consistency between your UI’s in that regard you can indeed have it.

        • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
          1·
          9 天前

          I think I tried it years ago. But it didn’t really work with the windows ui for some reason. Nowadays I don’t use it often enough to bother personalising it.

        • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
          7·
          9 天前

          It is in the latest versions but it’s very recent. The default has always been single click. They changed it because of windows users.

  • Underwaterbob@lemm.eeEnglish
    53·
    8 天前

    It only relatively recently occurred to me that the vast majority of people use the Internet either solely or mostly with a mobile phone. It blew my mind since I grew up with PCs and modems and the Internet is so much better on a large screen that’s not half full of ads.

  • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
    51·
    9 天前

    Me: Behold!

    *quickly presses Control+V

    Classmate: Woah! How did you do that??!!!

    True story but as a millennial teaching another millennial in college.

    • dick_fineman@discuss.online
      28·
      9 天前

      Former boss: How do I make my computer run faster?

      Me: you could install more RAM.

      FB: Oh do I download that from the internet?

      Me: …no, it’s hardware…you have to open the computer up and physically put it in there.

      FB: I should have known that, I majored in Computer Science

      …I was fired a week later because she “felt threatened”. Lol.

      • Krauerking@lemy.lol
        1·
        7 天前

        I had that happen after I told the IT manager who always showed up drunk that his flash drives weren’t working because he couldn’t expect to buy an 8 pack of 1TB flash drives of amazon for $30 and that he was at worst handing out viruses.

        I also told the interns to demand full time positions for doing all the work and not be taken advantage of so that didn’t help with the HR director.

    • jdeath@lemm.ee
      10·
      9 天前

      yeah there are noobs at everything in each generation. maybe some change in percentages but still. you could tell this story a million times

  • burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world
    50·
    9 天前

    this is less a problem of ‘people are stupid’ and more ‘educational institutions have been dismantled over the last several decades and large numbers of people are pushed through school despite being functionally illiterate, if they graduate at all’

    • myrak@lemmy.worldEnglish
      17·
      9 天前

      Absolutely. At 10yo I’ve tried my best to teach my kid video editing and basic computer use. A bit ago I made her network two computers using chatGPT as a guide. So freaking proud of her.

      Thinking of forcing her to do something new. Does Roblox run on Linux?

      • peoplebeproblems@midwest.socialEnglish
        33·
        9 天前

        Can I recommend Minecraft over Roblox?

        Minecraft isn’t as popular, but I was able to get my 8 year old to make TNT arrows and he thought it was a blast. (Hehehehe)

        And Minecraft Java definitely works on Linux

        Edit: My son claims Roblox is more popular. But that could be because I banned it at home.

        • Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de
          11·
          9 天前

          Minecraft is a blast! You can buy it and then throw the awful Microsoft launcher in the trash. There areuch better bootleg launchers (i.e. don’t force login). Or just get the bootleg launcher without buying the game.

          I have bought the game five times on different platforms by now. I’m not buying it anymore.

          My kids also had a lot of fun choosing and figuring out the plethora of mods available.

          • peoplebeproblems@midwest.socialEnglish
            3·
            9 天前

            Yeah, honestly, I don’t know if it is, or he just talks about it like it is because I won’t let him play it.

            Minecraft is way more fun IMO anyway

        • pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyz
          4·
          9 天前

          Minecraft is less popular than Roblox nowadays???

          I’m not that old and when I was in school everyone was playing Minecraft (+ later when it released many played Fortnite) and noone Roblox.

        • PolarisFx@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          3·
          9 天前

          Definitely, and modded Minecraft has taken a great game and made it so much better. The “Create” mod alone has made MC so much more than what Mojang intended.

          And the launchers available for Linux let you use modpacks from every source including FTB, letting you forgo a launcher full of ads.

        • Grass@sh.itjust.works
          3·
          9 天前

          with some hassle bedrock can also work iirc. might be the android version though.

          That said, I forget which one is which and which was the renaming, but luanti/minetest/minecraftia/mineclone. One is a free open source engine, two are different takes on minecraft clones that are mods for the base engine. Missing features can be covered via addititonal more specific mods.

          The main benefit is that its actually free with no microtransactions that can make you broke if your kids figure out how to use your credit card. It also performs way better than both minecraft versions on even older hardware. If the kids can learn free art software like krita or gimp among others, they can make their own skins instead of buying them for minecraft. Pixel art is pretty easy to copy too.

      • Grass@sh.itjust.works
        23·
        9 天前

        roblax is extremely absolutely vile, manipulative, and not a safe place for anyone let alone children. it’s genuinely worse than 4chan for some time now.

        • constantturtleaction@lemmy.world
          1·
          9 天前

          What makes you say this? The parental controls are pretty good. Just don’t give access to age range stuff that you feel the kid isn’t ready for. And turn off the chat. The only thing that bothers me is some of the annoying sounds some of the experiences use.

          • Grass@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            9 天前

            I’ve been told some pretty fucked up shit slips through the cracks like ‘holocaust simulator’ or ‘beating pregnant women’ or assorted bizarre block people sex dungeon stuff, then the literal real money gambling paired with fomo, child labour exploitation through game development hopes and dreams combined with extremely exploitative advertisement options.

            Maybe parents from exactly the correct generation can handle the parental controls but the parents I know IRL gave their kids free reign and the ones that cut it off after seeing soulless violent content had a hard time with the kids being straight up addicted. Kid’s shouldn’t even be on online stuff since the average parent has no idea how to use anything other than an iphone and even that they barely know shit.

            Back in my day we played reader rabbit and math blaster off of five and a quarter floppies

      • MehBlah@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        9 天前

        These days roblox barely runs on windows. Now in order for it to update it needs local admin privileges. So no more roblox.

      • Emerald@lemmy.world
        1·
        9 天前

        I made her network two computers

        How did she do it? Just plug a crossover cable into both of them?

  • shads@lemy.lolEnglish
    45·
    8 天前

    OK so I have a pet theory about this. I grew up in a period when computing involved friction and lack of ready resources to ease that friction. Solving problems involved actual research, in the research process more and more details of how computers operate were exposed to me. I had the time and focus to learn and the motivation to stick at it when it was difficult. I then did something horrible to almost everyone who asked me for help, I removed that friction.

    With the noblest of intentions I prevented everyone around me from experiencing that friction, I made it easy. Consequently I caused those people around me to miss out on those basics I struggled with. I uncovered the arcane lore of endianess so everyone around me who wasn’t already an adept would be spared. I plumbed the mysteries of the parallel port so that others could use a printer with only mild mystical invocations. I immersed myself in SCSI termination so that my friends and family might partake of IDE (retroactively named PATA) in peace.

    I came from an era of computing where these things mattered (at least to some degree) and they moulded me and shaped how I use a computer to this day. My brothers will always be dependent on myself and my ilk to act as guides and so much of what I know is functionally useless today so a neophyte could not follow the twisted path I did.

    I was blessed as well to come of age in a time when a computer was a comprehensible assemblage of parts, when I could identify at an IC level the components of it. I feel like that is what is missing in the modern incarnation of technology. I also worry this is where we stagnate, the field is too large for anyone to compass it entirely and we splinter in to specialisations.

    However this is also a sign that technology has come of age. I am certain, absolutely positive, that if I was to pick an arbitary topic, say music, I would seem as illiterate and helpless as the Zoomers we are bemoaning as mere consumers of Tech. I can enjoy a piece of music, I can even take a rough stab at the rusiments of how it is made. Ask me to explain the nomenclature of a time signature on sheet music and I will look the dunce before I finish the first sentence.

    So maybe we should give them a break and realise that for a lot of them, It… Just… Isn’t… Important…

    They will learn this stuff if and when they need to. Otherwise “magic box does things when I perform this ritual” is enough for them to function in their world, the same as “Car starts when I turn this key” is enough for me to function in mine.

    Holy crap, I wrote this on my phone, what is wrong with me?