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The gloomy sentiment around Reddit Inc. has failed to dissipate after its shares fell 50% from a February high, with volatile technology stocks under pressure.
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Good, Reddit has no place in the stock market and no amount of enshittification can save them from this fate.
The value of Reddit is the content which it is able to create. If users aren’t free to create content, there is not value.
Fuck Reddit.
Good. I got banned just today for “inciting violence” then when I asked what I did they couldn’t tell me. Musk pressuring spez into harsher moderation is probably part of why I was actually banned. I followed every rule but was active in left wing communities and it seems that’s enough to be deplatformed under the trump regime.
I’m fairly certain they misled investors on their last earnings call. I noticed some banned accounts suddenly had their ban lifted right before the call, and then reapplied right after.
On the last investor call, they said they had a lot of returning users. This was after their election ban hammers, and prior to the Luigi ban fest.
Can’t wait to see how they try to spin things on the next one.
Gee, that’s too bad. It would be a real shame if that piece of human garbage Steve Huffman lost everything. A crying shame.
Sadly I’m sure he already has a golden parachute prepared.
They all cashed out after the IPO. They’re probably laughing at the bag holders right now.
There may still be lawsuits, however. There are still many ways that he could lose a lot of what he gained.
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I think you mean presidential pardons
i remember spez and his c-suites dumped the stock a while ago.
Ewww
Lets keep this about Rampart.
Heve Stuffman
Greedy pigboy flew too close to the sun.
I too want to board the schadenfreude train. Choo choo. Fuck u/spez
He will exit filthy rich way before that. That’s the point.
Would he not have already sold most when they went public?
Hey cool beans we’re the direct result of that! What good news!
I trust reddit as far as I can throw it these days.
They’ve banned all of the good people that made up the site. I used to do Secret Santa. For 10 years! And I had mothers thank me for making their kids holidays. And they banned me. Because I made a death joke about how old McConnell was. Dude looks like death walking. Prove me wrong.
I was a good user. Dark humor isn’t hurting anyone. Reddit will die. Just like every other popular site.
I was sign up number 3. I emailed Spez his own source code because he had the error reporting on his Web Server set to “VERBOSE”.
I was permanently banned for an answer in an AskReddit thread that amounted to “what is true in your line of work that you can’t say”. My answer was that (edit: as I work in a highly female-dominated field of social work 30 women for every man)… non-males are insanely violent and one of the huge lies that is held in the public consciousness is that “men are the violent ones” when the reality is all people are violent, and there’s a tremendous amount of IPV especially in same-sex partnerships. Banned for “advocating violence”.
Edit oops I edited the wrong comment lol
I reported a comment for basically saying that men are the only violent sex, and they temp-banned me for abusing the reporting system. The explanation message (canned, I’m sure) said that abusively reporting people is a form of harassment or bullying, or something like that.
Eat shit reddit, and fuck spez.
edit: Based on my experience and what others are saying, I have to wonder, were they trying to burn it down from the inside?
I don’t think they are trying to sabotage their own products. It really is that they’re not smart enough to see where is the value is. And this is kind of understandable, right? The underlying software has been copied already. It’s out there. If that company has value it’s only the user base. But that puts management in the strange situation where everything they are doing to make money is making their own product worse. And they kind of know it, right? But they can’t admit it. They can’t think about it clear. Their own mental stability relies on ignoring the obvious truths that they see and read every day.
I had the exact same experience. I am a man that suffered tremendous amount of violence at the hands of my female caregivers and partners. I reported a similar hate-based comment against men and I got banned temporarily.
I believe I was warned once for that same comment, and banned on another account. I was saying the same thing violence in relationship are overwhelming men in every way. Sure there is done by women
Consider conducting some actual research and study, instead of deciding your and biased ideas represent reality.
The fact is that in terms of frequency non-males are worst. Males more severe physical damage per incident.
But don’t argue with me here, if you wanted actual knowledge on the subject you’d have it already.
Been there since 07, also work in Human Services. Reddit died with Aaron. He was the heart and soul of the site. The decline started shortly after that and it was slow, but it really picked up steam around the time of their IPO, and ever since they’ve pretty much embraced “evil”. Fuck Spez.
Sounds about right. The fact Reddit is killing off its best users is just a sign that Lemmy can bring us all back together.
Not to be cynical, but the same human sludge on Reddit is now here. There’s a major problem with the collective consciousness that a new platform won’t solve.
Reddit didn’t die because of them though. He died because they got rid of everyone else.
I’ve bumped into some of them. But I’d say there isn’t a bot infestation of fake users. Yet.
They are all concentrated on the tankie and conservative communitiesm
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Just avoid the political instances , especially ones of .ml
I use Boost and the topic keyword blocker works really well. I’ve got a lot of political words blacklisted and it’s made browsing All much more pleasant.
Incels are quite overly sensitive when it’s a women talking about violence against women by men, they brigade and try troll people. Askedddit also banned me, for because the sub was asking something about an actor, and I was explaining how a Star Trek actor made the show about herself( Beverly crusher) people don’t like how their holy trek role model was criticized.
Askreddit is extremely sensitive when it comes to politics, feminism and never toxic masculinity, 12yo boys sexual curiosity
Aren’t those kinds of decisions made in the writers’ room, though?
I was a 12 year member with nearly a million karma. I was permabannef right after the inauguration, for repeating an anti-HitlerPig opinion I’d repeating numerous times before he was elected.
I came to Lemmy and found out I wasnt alone, i was part of a bloodbath. I’ve seen posts from many people with 10+ year accounts who were banned. We’re the people who built that site, and made it what it was. Somehow we managed to be active for over a decade without a problem, but suddenly we all became violators in the same month, and need to be banned.
Now we find out Spaz wants to buy TikTok, AND The MuskRat threatened him. No doubt the threat was that if he had a prayer of being awarded the privilege of buying TikTok, he was going to have to obey, and violate Reddit’s foundational free speech mission. The classic Reddit is dead.
He didn’t need musk threatening him. He was already killing Reddit with his whole “we want to float it on the stock market so we’d better get rid of all of the good content” fixation.
And frankly he was a shit stain even before that, remember how hard it was to get them to ban CP subs?
Thanks for the warning. Spaz buys tiktok and I delete it. Bout to already, honestly.
I created throw away and many main acts in case one gets banned, I usually avoid the permansub bans with new acts, until much later. So I’m also hearing that reddit links your accounts with strangers, if they get banned all your accounts get banned (( if you commented on any of the subs that the stranger was on)
And they deserve to die out like MySpace. Fuck Reddit!!
And Facebook meta.
I really wish Facebook could truly die. That will likely happen in another 10 years.
I contributed to Reddit for 4 years and I got banned supposedly for posting putting down a bull terrier that violently attacked a family member and their was a child in the family,
I have a suspicion that my negative political comments about what is happening in Government may have been the real reason
All my friends that were on Reddit have been banned they are all good people with views
No free speech on Reddit it will gradually die
Genuine question but how can we trust our respective lemmy instance to not be as corrupt?
You cannot. You never could. The difference that the Fediverse makes is that you can make your own instance.
In fact, in many ways Lemmy is even more authoritarian than Reddit, this is basically a Reddit 2.0. Here there is a modlog, but no modmail, no notification of a moderation action, no ability to ask questions as to why (if only so that you can avoid doing so again?), especially when the modlog merely says that the action was done by a “mod” (so even if there were a moderator chat somewhere, usually on Discord or Matrix since they don’t bother discussing on Lemmy itself, or you wanted to send a DM, who would you send it to, unless you send it to literally all, thereby risking getting yourself getting banned from the entire instance for legitimately spamming DMs, bc no other means are provided to you!?).
Edit; I’ve been waiting since the Rexodus nearly two years ago for any of this to be fixed. Do you want to know what all has happened during that time? I’ll warn you: it’s actually worse than nothing, and instead it has actively taken steps backwards. Previously the mod account name was reported in the modlog, so you could DM the one who took the action against your content, whereas now that information has been hidden from you. This is the opposite of “transparency”, a hallmark of democratic features of governance.
On lemmy.ml, people routinely get instance-wide banned from communities that they’ve literally never even so much as heard of!? More importantly, for a rule that is never written down anywhere or explained to new users - don’t ever criticize the authoritarian regimes of Russia, China, or North Korea (perhaps soon the USA will be added to that list). On midwest.social numerous people have been banned merely for downvoting posts or comments offered by the instance admin, or for submitting reports (not spamming, just one) literally calling out cries for (not against) murder - ideological purity testing is real there. Meanwhile back on lemmy.ml, I can point you (if interested) to an actual conversation where a moderator tells a user that he wants to kill him - but ofc he is protected by the instance admins so nothing will ever be done about such occurrences, which for that mod I believe are somewhat well-known.
Now you understand, the “freedom” that the Fediverse offers is not extended to the users, but rather to the instance owners - i.e. the landlords rather than renters. If you want that freedom, you have to start your own server.
Or join one that offers it downwards to its users. PieFed offers MANY features facilitating democratization of moderation. Discuss.Online, a Lemmy instance, is quite well-known for allowing freedom to its userbase (though being located in the USA… for how much longer?). There are others - these are just ones that I definitely know about and recommend.
TLDR: you cannot and never could, that’s a misunderstanding of the concept of the Fediverse, though there is potential to make freedom happen here, unlike Reddit where it’s a lost cause from the start.
Thank you for such a long writeup to my simple question. I would definitely love to selfhost my own little lemmy instance someday in the future. It never made sense to me that this place was automatically better when it’s just technically someone else’s servers.
Well, there truly is a trickle down effect there: there is only one Reddit, but there are many instances running
Reddit 2.0Lemmy, and several running Mbin or PieFed instead. So as a user, if you do not like Reddit, there aren’t really any good alternatives (read a book, Twitter/X or like Bluesky or Mastodon or GameFAQs or such, maybe touch grass, etc.:-), but if you do not enjoy a Lemmy, you can shuffle over to another one, or even start your own.What I said above is just the beauty of any generic Free and Open Source Software to run or be a user on a forum, but beyond that, the Federation model of sharing content via the ActivityPub protocol allows you to work with the identically same data from the new place as you would have from the old - more or less. e.g. if you get booted from Lemmy.ml and make a lemmy.world account then you could access the same communities on lemmy.ml, with the new account (although being careful this time not to cross the unwritten rules, including for ban evasion). Moving from Reddit to X doesn’t allow that, but moving from a Lemmy instance to another Lemmy, or Mbin or PieFed, does.
So there is that tiny amount of freedom, which nonetheless still sets it apart from corporate non-FOSS Reddit, by virtue of the Federation model:-). The Fediverse software is quite resource intensive, depending on amount of network utilization, but widely considered to be better than isolated forum software for this reason of its interconnectedness:-).
There’s no money in running a lemmy instance. Donations are unlikely to pay for the costs, much less a living. Also, you can always switch instances, although for this reason it is concerning how big lemmy.world is in comparison to other instances
It’s weird how they allowing Sinese to promote himself, he acts like hes weirdly a Veteran, just because he was in the infamous movie, of course he’s a Republican around the same time stewart was supporting vets. I was saying he was virtue signalling so hard.
Either you die a hero or lives long enough to become the villain…
Appears to apply to companies, too
I’m not sure why anyone would ever buy Reddit stock. There is no money to be made in Reddit. They failed to make any money before they went public, and they’re failing to make any money now.
They tried the whole NFT thing, failed. They’re trying to sell the data to AI companies but once that’s sold they can’t sell any more of it because the benefit of Reddit data was historical data unpolluted by AI, but new Reddit data is polluted by ChatGPT posts and is therefore worth less.
It’s not even about banning people, it’s about the fact that Reddit was never a sustainable business model from the start, at least not in the traditional capitalist sense where you’re actively trying to make a profit to please shareholders.
The only benefit to owning Reddit stock is if you have voting shares and can manipulate the algorithm to benefit you in some way. Suppress some voices, amplify others to back what you want to do etc. but you need money to burn in order to achieve that because you aren’t going to be making money directly by owning Reddit stock and manipulating public opinion takes time.
its only use now is a propaganda machine, much like X is now, or it will be soon like X.
It’s not even about banning people, it’s about the fact that Reddit was never a sustainable business model from the start, at least not in the traditional capitalist sense where you’re actively trying to make a profit to please shareholders
If they’d been stalwart about banning automation and keeping original, legit human content pure, they probably could have used it as a fountain of fresh data for AI, for polling, for engagement farming, and for promotion.
The site was still growing even despite the admin induced atrophy. But they just couldn’t resist killing the Golden Goose.
the mistake was allowing mods to have too much power, and admins to become mods.
I disagree that Reddit would gain in value over time if they kept banning automation, because it is increasingly difficult to avoid AI-generated material polluting your dataset, no matter how much you avoid automation and try banning it. Inevitably, some AI-generated material is going to get in.
It’s a problem in two ways:
- The vast vast majority of data on Reddit has already been sold, so you can’t rely on that data for future revenue
- The remaining data that’s current is polluted by AI and is therefore worth less than the historical data because the more AI pollutes your dataset, the more likely it is to lead to Model Collapse, where an LLM is poisoned due to unverified data generated by other LLMs
I am firmly of the belief that sites like Internet Archive will be some of the most valuable companies in the AI space, because they hold an immense amount of untainted data created prior to 2019.
Except AI companies are already using data from Internet Archive wholesale with paying them a cent.
Reddit is kinda dead it now
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Removing the messages option and instead replacing it with their stupid DM chat system, even for modmail
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Stating that later this year they’re going to introduce walled off paid sub-reddit
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That live stream nonsense they had a couple of years back
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Their A.I. answers integration
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Censoring users who mention ‘eat the rich’ and the name Luigi
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No longer allowing moderators of their own sub-reddit to change a sub’s status to NSFW (after the protests, obv), now requires admin to do this for them if the deem it appropriate
…who’d have guessed that these decisions were shit. Not the community who told them each time, again and again, right?
Fuck you, Reddit
Surprised r/Nintendo isn’t just straight up nuked.
Came over during the great 3rd party app API debacle. It didn’t even make the list. Am I old now?
This and I already missed the old reddit when they banned porn from /all. API debacle was the last straw when I called quits.
I did the same long ago, but I did go back to reddit. I wish I’d learned my lesson at the time -__-
Full AI moderation is what killed it, it was liberally and indiscriminately banning people last month with the slightest indiscretions
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One man’s slowing growth is another man’s hardening growth (me, from reading this headline).
It’s always been ridiculous to me that what is essentially a forum has shareholders. That’s why I left Reddit during the app debacle and haven’t looked back.
Corporate social media was a mistake. Genuinely, I lay a lot of why the state of the western world is the way it is at the feet of Zuckerberg and his peers.
Same. I’m not sure Lemmy is any better tho. I know, I’m a hypocrite.
It’s not owned by a corporation and doesn’t sell your data or use it to feed an algorithm. So yeah I’d say it’s a lot better.
What exactly is your critique? Do you think news aggregator style social media is an issue in general or is there something that lemmy just doesn’t do good enough?
If I had to find something to critique, it is that bad-faith agenda-pushing is still rampant here, from “both sides” - rather all conceivable sides.
Not like I have a solution for it. Maybe forums shouldn’t be this big, and we shouldn’t primarily be talking to strangers.
Bad faith agenda pushing was a problem in the days of forums and BBS too, although admittedly to a lesser extent because those platforms were smaller and less commercial. As long as people are able to talk to each other over the internet, that will be a problem. I think the best way to tackle that is being able to spot it and call it out when it happens.
Social media is polarising. Lemmy, for example, and to a lesser extent Reddit, are politically left leaning. Xitter and Truth Social both very right leaning. Across all platforms voices to which do not conform to the status quo are either attacked or silenced. It’s anonymous mob mentality. The human animal was not meant to communicate this way, it’s not healthy, it just creates echo chambers on both sides, spreads misinformation, and is addictive.
It’s better in many ways, but one that I feel is quite important is that there’s no profit motive to keep users on the platform and engaging with advertisers for as long as possible, and therefore no need to develop the kind of exploitative algorithms that drive screen addiction and engagement through rage.
Right now it is ok. But I worry that AI will enshittify even the Feddiverse.
It’s inevitable, in part because of how easy AI will make bot farms and censorship. Really all the problems reddit has, we will see here and probably faster than the 10-15 years it took reddit. It wasn’t just policy that ruined reddit, it was capital interests and special interests. Groups dedicated to swaying opinion, taking over subs, banning and shadow banning users.
In it’s way, Lemmy will be easier to break because we’re all already slightly fragmented. Imagine your favorite instances getting taken over like r/undelete and then defederating all the other opposition servers. Or…becoming hostile like reddit.
Then we have the greater slide to fascism. SOME of what Reddit is doing is in line with simply trying to survive that. We have no idea what kind of controlling laws might come out that will shut down or police instances hosted in places like the US. Misinformation laws. All and all it’s a scary time.
I like lemmy because it feels like I’ve gone back 12 years or so to a better reddit. Back to old reddit. But really it’s just a matter of time.
I really think we’ve seen a pretty complete cycle of social media over the last 25 years. If you look at how we used it and how it is used in China, Russia, or NK. It’s been weaponized as much as monetized. Maybe more.
Reddit had shareholders before their IPO, they just weren’t public shareholders.
I left Reddit today. I’m not looking back. I’m absolutely done with these organizations that bow to fascist whimsy and demands. Pathetic stuff from Steve and the admins at Reddit. I hope their stock tanks and they lose their ass.
Reddit banned me for saying mean things about Elon and I’m not going back. Good riddance.
Same reason I left. Why hang around to get yelled at by bots about “living in a liberal Reddit echo chamber” WHILE the entire site is sucking fascist dick the entire time?
I remember when I got banned for saying that hey maybe it isn’t hate speech to say that Israel shouldn’t murder children.
Israel has killed more women and children than any other demographic. They have committed a genocide and the US president has called for an intensification and expansion of the genocide. Even going so far as to say he wants to ethnically cleanse Gaza.
“You have been banned from r/worldnews for antisemitism and hate speech.”
I was chasing in R/pics that the OP was barking up the wrong tree about Gaza, blaming of course Biden but no Republicans ever
WTF. It’s israel’s right to murder innocent people! /s
Everything he does basically invites people to say mean stuff about him.
Perhaps he could just stop doing those things? Thinking out loud here,
Apparently Elon Musk pressured them into Banning people, and they just went along with it which tells you everything you need to know
Can I get a “fuck Elon the Felon” my fellow netizen?
Yeah I made the jump a while back with the API thing, welcome
I got banned in 2022 for hate speech against Cops. Ive been lurking with libreddit.
Did you know many subs are controlled by former and current Leo. Justiceserved, legal advice, publicfreakout,etc
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Hey fam, I’m another Reddit refugee. I heard Lemmy is what Reddit was back in the day. Sad to see Reddit go to hell.
More or less. There aren’t as many bots, and everyone is generally aware of traditional Internet etiquette (i.e. don’t be an asshole). Lemmy also feels as homogenous as early Reddit: college-educated white people in western countries.
I started joining forums back in the late nineties and I’ve learned every place on the Internet is in flux. Things always change. Back in the day, stuff would happen like we would lose hosting because someone got sick of running a niche phpBB forum or the moderation team would change. When social media kicked off, changes were driven by money. Facebook was a big gaming platform in my college years (Farmville), which feels completely foreign to today’s Facebook.
The smaller the community, the more stable it is. Some of those 20-year forums still exist, albeit in a much more diminished state. If a site/platform gets popular, that’s when things can change quickly.
Lemmy has already changed since I joined and I’m sure it will become something different in the future.
Welcome! I came in with the blackout a year or so ago, it’s been fun to see more people show up over the months!
Sync for Lemmy feels just like Reddit is Fun (RiF). So good
I used to use RiF and loved Sync for Lemmy too. I just wish the developer would fix the bug for posts showing unread! It’s completely stopped me from using the app for something like 6 months now.
What do you mean my that? Like, your own posts or those of others?
Not sure I’m seeing that on my side. Could be wrong tho
It depends on the version of Lemmy that your instance is running. My account is on sh.itjust.works which upgraded Lemmy versions a few months ago. Apparently it changed a parameter name that keeps track if a post has been read or not.
So on Sync, you can click on posts, but they never show as read. It’s super annoying, so I went back to Voyager.
Feels that way to me. I wasn’t there like at the very beginning, but was able to be in a few small subreddits turn big. Some turned to shit, some turned okay. Lemmy/mbin a.k.a. threadiverse seems like it was before my time I started with reddit
Lemmy, Mbin, and now PieFed!
I didn’t want to put piefed yet since it’s still developing, but pretty fast and hard to give them credit. Is one I most looking forward to because of their topics and feeds. I thought I’d appreciate mbin having built in sorry for microblogs, but I didn’t even explore much of it
Yeah I was excited about Kbin.social as well, both for not being developed by political extremists and for having more capabilities. However, like you I never ended up using that whole microblogging style bc I simply prefer the Threadiverse format so much more.
PieFed is indeed developing FAST! But there are minor to moderate annoyances while trying to use it so yeah, I understand people not being ready for that yet. Fwiw, if you were just wanting to avoid being on the server that uses the bleeding edge codebase (PieFed.social), there are a few others, namely https://feddit.online/ (for the list of others see here: https://join.piefed.social/try/, with additional information at https://piefed.fediverse.observer/list).
It’s fantastic to have choices, whether we decide on PieFed, Mbin, or Lemmy to meet our needs on the (Threadi-)Verse!:-)
Piefed sucks bigtime.
It’s better than Reddit, badumtis!
(Yeah, a very low bar indeed) When was the last time you tried it? It gets better literally weekly.
Genuinely there are elements that I prefer using in Lemmy, and other elements I prefer PieFed, with the balance overall being 90:10 PieFed to Lemmy. And PieFed is growing by leaps and bounds. Lemmy is growing too but more slowly (it also might end up being more stable at larger scales - I dunno, though PieFed also sends like 25x less data per post iirc so the reverse could rather be true).
Still, use whichever you prefer - the Fediverse is fantastic in offering us so many choices, all for free! Much respect to the dev teams of both, and Mbin too, as well as instance admins and most mods who donate their time to keep it all going!
If it makes you feel any better, Reddit is and always has been shit. From their “fake it till you make it” days to the “narwhals and bacon” and then the RealFeelz™ community make-believe. It’s the people that made it what it was, the platform has always been a steaming loaf of shit.
edit: Oh wait, how could I forget the ViolentAcrez days. The LARPing mental case that had 300 accounts and VPNs before most knew what that was, and spent his entire LIFE trolling until he got found out by his employer who very publicly humiliated and fired his ass. The same fuckwit that Spez partnered with to run all kinds of scum subs like JailBait, etc. Reddit is shit, made by shit people. Good people accidentally found it now they’re leaving.
Edit… Oh what else? I was literally there before commenting so let me just see if I can pull from the steaming shit pile of reddit experiences I’ve had over the decades…
Does anybody remember her name? I want to say … S… Sahaya? Sahasha? I could be way off the beam so don’t let those guesses mislead you. There was a female who represented herself as a massive pillar of the community and posted almost 50% of the content. I and a few other people meticulously tracked down the fact that she in fact was an online marketer acting in a stealth capacity. The more savvy and experienced users at that time, remember this was like 2002-4(?), we could see through the ruse based on the pattern of her posting. Literally within 10 minutes of revealing the truth about her, she vanished, never to be seen again. So yeah literally the entirety of Reddit was a giant advertisement at first.
What else now? Let me have a few more bowls and I’ll see what else I can recall.
Politics are hotter than old Reddit, but I guess that goes with the times.
The “federation” aspect is pretty different in a good way. You see a lot of integration with Mastadon, for instance, as the Fediverse is trying to integrate with itself, and each Lemmy instance is like a little fiefdom with its own flavor and subs, whereas Reddit was always more of a monoculture.
Reddit was killed by spez. RIP. Long live Lemmy! Hopefully it’s insulated from meddling by venture capital.
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