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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/23396300
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nickyflowers posts:
it would be cool if websites let you be an adult on them. the advertisers and payment processors need everything to be Family Friendly though and their definitions of family and friendly are absolutely fucked. but since they’re in charge of the Internet now, no one is allowed to be an adult. tiktokers say things like “unalive” and “seggs” because they know death and sex are too adult for online. online is for idiot babies only now because they’re easier to market to
nickyflowers replies:
oh im sorry you’re a trans adult? super ban. you are super banned for life. you have upset Visa’s feelings. Mastercard is throwing up in the corner. how could you do this to Google Ads?
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Fediverse and DNS sinkholes FTW. Any way I can avoid becoming someone’s money is nice.
Yup.
If I can’t say basic words and facts like, this woman was raped, this man died, etc.
I just don’t use the website in any meaningful way.
When I was a kid in Yahoo chat rooms… I saw things man.
These kids don’t know.
Well the 4chan kids know but these normal kids don’t know.
The US religious fundamentalists have managed to impose their fucked up values on the world. Calling it “family values” was always a lie.
these people cannot be a part of society. put them on an island with no minerals and let them live in log cabins and fuck their children and do patriarchy all day.
or maybe you think that’s evil and unkind to the children, and they should just be killed and the children freed. whatever.
Relatively easy fix though. Get away from advertiser supported platforms and use community supported ones.
I’ve been saying for years that the advertiser-friendly neo-puritanicalism that was infecting the left was a trojan horse for conservatism, and then here we are.
How was it infecting the left?
kink@pride discourse was the first time I saw that.
Insistence on decorum, general anti-sex sentiments, curtailing of language to adhere to advertiser-friendly standards, to name a few.
C’mon, you don’t have to look very hard to find puritanical, anti-sex ‘leftists’
Yes advertisers like chase and Walmart and visa are truly the most left you can be.
I’m not calling those who craft and insist on this kind of language left, I am calling the people who accept and use it supposedly part of the left (in vague terms).
You are making my point. My point is that conservativism is charlatans and we becomes their stooges when we play according to their terms, including on the field of language.
funnily enough on tiktok you can say “fuckass” but you cant say someone’s intelligence is akin to that of a toaster or that someone is stupid. i have also seen the n word multiple times
Can we say braindead? Because that’s braindead.
I’ve been so deep into fediverse stuff that I forgot about that. I feel blessed
Have never been on Tiktok. Have no regrets.
I mean it comes up basically every day here where people complain about censorship in a screenshot submitted to some shitpost or meme community.
#blessed
do hashtags even work here?
Hashtags are a Twitter invention and Lemmy is a decentralized reddit clone and reddit doesn’t use hashtags so no.
Kinda (no).
On Lemmy hashtags are just to format a header, as you’ve shown. However, you might see them seemingly randomly because microblog users can post to lemmy and they use them because hashtags work as tags for them.They do work for those of us on mbin
The adult stuff goes deeper.
There are furries.
Deeper than that, there are bronies and non-bronie MLP (FIM) enthusiasts.
And below that, there are furries who like animal genitalia.
And at this point, a few miles down into the abyss, there are lolis.
ETA What should be under lolis but isn’t is CECOT. That is, is appears family friendly enough for VISA, also very real and sponsored and used by the US.
How is that related to the post?
What’s cecot? I don’t want to look it up…
You just described 4chan.
The term “unalive” is so cringey yet dystopian that I don’t know whether to feel embarrassed or concerned when I hear it.
It started out as a fun way to make light of Disney refusing to allow the word “Kill” to show up in the cartoon adaptation of Ultimate Spider-Man, now when I hear it in a youtube true crime video I want to game end myself.
was that in the comics or cartoon?
Cartoon, Deadpool leaned on the fourth wall to say “Something’s preventing me from saying the k-word, so I guess I’m trying to unalive these people.”
It was funny because it was being used to mock censorship instead of being a form of it
I’m waiting for that word to become so popular it also gets censored, it’d be hilarious
I’ve got a list of backups:
- cooked
- spaced (see The Expanse)
- inhumed (as opposed to exhumed as one might do in removing a corpse from a grave; see Terry Pratchett’s Discworld’s Assassins Guild lingo)
- processed (as one does to food using a food processor)
- isekai’d (for the weaboos)
- truck-kun’d
- terminated (for when the Terminator movies become popular again)
- old yeller’d
- returned to sender (until the postal system collapses)
- X trimester aborted
- Peter Pan’d (as in, thrown off a cliff and expected to fly)
- Mufasa’d (or any notable fictional character whose death was a major plot point)
Worms games have a nice list of expressions for managing kills (or drowning)
Old yeller’d hits different
i like the term “zeroed” from cyberpunk as in “they got zeroed” (unsure if that is the correct spelling)
I’d just take them from the parrot sketch.
POOLLLYY! POOLLLYYYY!! WAKE UP POOOLLLYY!!! bangs the parrot on the table See? He’s DEAD!
Most of these have clear other meanings that wouldn’t work being turned into a substituted for killed or died
As a Pratchett fan, I have to say unalive <> inhumed; since “unalive” = dead whereas “inhume” = kill
I wouldn’t worry about that one too much. Death has a ton of euphemisms to soften the concept; “passing away”, “transitioning”, “going home”, etc and so on and whatnot.
My grandpa transitioned, she’s now my grandma
Oooh, a trans-grand-parent!
Sorry for your loss. On the other hand, congrats
Kicked the bucket
Bought the farm
Took their leave
Adjourned to rest
Took the long napWhat are some more?
Punched their ticket Meeting the lord No longer amongst the living Pining for the fjords
wait huh? there’s no way it’s that bad, right?
i luv y’all, fedi frens! ~ <3
Demonitising youtubers has made the Internet say
Unalive
A baby have been formed
Frick
And other shit it’s stupid and the self censoring of fuck is annoying. I mean I would love for the Americans to invent new swear words. In German the censoring almost always fail since we have way to many words for insulting or swearing. Some are always free to use.
But the Americans just censor fuck instead of getting creative. Boring as a speech of Trump.
This is just the surface-level stuff that people see and get annoyed with. This faux puritanical censorship is also used to blot out content on “sensitive subjects” that would otherwise be informative to people but harmful to the corporate or state image. It’s getting harder and harder for news on the Palestinian genocide to trend before it gets shadowbanned on any platform, just as an example.
Twitter is filled with porn and racism but still has payment processing and ads. 4chan has payment processing. I don’t think this is a universal truth. It’s more like some sites purposefully chose to have strict guidelines for whatever reasons.
“Sorry guys, the ad people don’t like it.” was just an excuse, the real goal was censorship of the web.
If Corporations are allowed to set the rules as to what gets talked about and what can’t be mentioned, it’s easier to flood the net with advertisements for their products.
This was posted on tumblr where trans people being suspended by staff with no good reason is a fairly regular occurrence
George Carlin warned us about this 30 years ago.
I’d link to it but I’m in the middle of a severance theory video.
I think the issue is that these platforms are motivated by advertisers. I can build a Reddit clone in a weekend and have it be ad-free. It’s not expensive to host text + urls - which was how old.reddit.com used to operate. It’s basically a few dollars a month or I could host it out of my house for the cost of electricity (and security). And, without advertisers, I don’t really care what I host so long as it doesn’t directly contributing to harming others.
The main issues are:
- No one wants to join a platform devoid of content
- Once you reach a large enough platform that people want to join, it might require revenue streams to afford the scale
- It’s hard for people to even find platforms (Google will direct you to the top 5: Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok)
The modern infrastructure hasn’t changed. It’s still HTTP and servers. The problem is internet culture. We used to use the internet as an extension of our community. We could share links, forums, etc. in person (bizarre, I know). But now the internet is our entire community. And there is little drive to participate in niche communities. People like to be heard and to engage quickly on the internet which requires a large-ish platform (Lemmy is a good example of this).
No it’s really payment processors.
There have been multiple successful ad-free websites in the past. But they still need revenue to function. Revenue their users happily pay.
But then Visa or PayPal or whoever is handling the transactions starts to pay attention and then all the sudden there’s new rules in place or else they hike fees or just stop processing payments altogether.
And on the Internet, there is no true alternative methods of payment (hint: any viable methods are quickly suppressed by those same payment processors).
So the only way any website gets big is left to the whims of advertisers or payment processors (usually both).
I have no idea why we as a people are somehow fine with private companies having a complete stranglehold on all significant online business. Why we’ve allowed the government to privatize digital transactions, subject to very little rights or protections. It’s allowing private corporations to massively suppress free speech, commerce, and social gatherings in the digital sphere.
Honestly our supposed freedoms are more and more limited these days because they only apply to public spaces, but there’s been a continual erosion of ‘public’. Where is the modern town square? If the only place you can practice your ‘rights’ is almost nowhere, do you really have those rights at all?
The government should be mandating that ‘digital infrastructure’ (ISPs, data centers, payment processors, etc) are neutral and can’t be utilized to bully others out of business. That their privileged position also comes with extra responsibilities and restrictions so you don’t have the digital equivalent of cutting off water to an abortion clinic because the water utility is pro-life.
Probably ~15 years ago I knew a guy who used to help run a large local forum, one day without warning they got cut off entirely by Google because they decided some of their content wasn’t suitable to run ads against, so that was it the entire site got blocked.
Ended up having to break the site into 2 separate domains, one advertiser friendly, and one they wouldn’t touch.
I agree with most of what you said but I feel like we are talking past each other regarding the whole payment processor piece. How do payment processors impact what ads YouTube plays before a video?
I mean, obviously this is true and a huge issue, but that’s part of what the Fediverse aims to address. Mainstream social media is fucked and done for.
Good riddance, I hope one days there’s an alternative to Discord, I don’t really trust it anymore, but I can’t think of a program that does the same thing but better.
I have heard some people trued matrix, but apparently it’s still kinda bad (or was a few months ago). The problem with switching is also always that most people still use the bad corpo site and you want to chat with your non-techie friends usually.
Well, I do believe there’s an open source Discord clone that’s self-hostable too. It’s called spacebar.
But does it have a user base?
…Well, some people use it. It can definitely work for your private servers!
Ahh…
Well gives me hope for the future at least
As soon as any one instance gets big enough and needs to get funding, the payment processors will crack down on allowed content. Don’t like it? Tough luck in receiving the money people are trying to send you.
Just… Don’t get big enough, right? Limit user sign-ups. That seems to be the obvious solution to this, no? More instances will pop up. Am I crazy?
