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    I am literally here, now, commenting on this because I am reading the article to this on reddit and … I can’t believe they are going to start punishing upvotes! That is the final stray for Reddit. Its dead. Gone the way of Digg. I am literally here now to start moving over to Lemmy.

    I just realized - and must keep in mind, with a federated platform like lemmy, all of your upvotes and downvotes are broadcasted across the network. ANYONE could track your upvotes and downvotes in THIS system.

    I had no idea how much I valued voting privacy.

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      You don’t have voting privacy here on Lemmy though, and theoretically instance admins could “punish” you based on voting patterns.

      But decentralization helps that

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        If an instance becomes oppressive, nothing is stopping you from going to a new one. You can’t do that with Reddit. Let’s say my instance Lemmy.ca becomes awful, I can make a new account on another and still comment on this community. That’s the beauty of the Fediverse.

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          On the other hand, harvesting that sort of data is as simple as creating an instance and Federating with whatever sub you want to spy on

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            whatever sub you want to spy on

            Is it really considered spying if the sub is pretty much shouting the information freely to whoever wants to request it?

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              If I post to a public website in a plaintext protocol and my ISP also intercepts+logs that transmission, is it spying since the post was public anyhow?

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            So keep that in mind when interacting with the fediverse

            These are public forums, it’s almost the point for things to be public. You could argue that votes shouldn’t be part of it, but ultimately due to the decentralized nature they must be communicated to all servers

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            I mean any organization that’s a risk to use my data maliciously is one that can afford buying it, so I actually prefer this to my data being equally easy to access but reddit gets paid for it.

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              My comment isn’t too say that Reddit is good, but rather that we might be able to do things on Lemmy a bit better for user safety/privacy. Aggregating upvotes to an origin seems good to me

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                But then they would be easier to spoof and thereby enact vote manipulation.

                PieFed was doing some experiments along those lines. Personally I don’t like the idea of fully anonymous voting and would rather go the other way and make them fully public - that would give people pause before doing things like downvoting every single reply to a post or every post in a community, or following people around and downvoting everything that they do.

                Voting ideally would be a 2-way proposition where someone can offer their opinion, and the recipient should have the ability to choose whether to receive it or not - i.e. be able to block someone who is abusive, or whole entire instances where that is exceedingly common (cough Hexbear cough, and their very common alts on Lemmy.ml).

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        Not really, it’s removing the comments that isn’t violating is the real problem. There are definitely comments that should be downvoted for many reasons

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            I’d rather people just downvote and move on than engage with trolls or trade insults with each other.

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              i dont mind downvoted, but auto-removal by mods is kinda worst, because they will just set the filter to remove certain words, and then the account gets flagged.

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                Is it really the fault of the system then, if it was set up with one intention but then was abused?

                Btw, reddthat.com has downvotes disabled, so if you made an account there you would never see them again. The downvotes would still affect the sorting of the comments on other instances though, and thereby the frequency of replies.

                I for one want downvotes, if I say something incorrect then I deserve it, but I don’t want downvotes from people who are just trolling - nor upvotes from them, nor replies either - bc then it takes some of my time and attention to try to guess what is going on, and sort true facts from their fictional views of the world.

                So for me, it’s not “voting” that I would like to see addressed and fixed, but rather the presence of trolls. Which PieFed (and the Lemmy apps Sync and Connect) provide many tools to help with, e.g. it can block all users from an instance, unlike the Lemmy feature of the same name that merely acts as a community muting but does not actually block the users themselves in any way.

                I love how PieFed is heavily pushing towards the democratization of moderation, but that’s another subject altogether I suppose:-).

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        I’ve been places without upvotes and downvotes and they’re just garbage piles of spam and useless replies.

        The Steam Comminity Forms for instance: if you’re trying to get any useful information on a recent release go somewhere else, as half of what you’ll find is people complaining that the game is *woke" (because there is a woman or a minority in it somewhere), and the other half is people complaining that the game isn’t a completely different genre.

        With downvotes the useless, troll, and off topic comments can be filtered out to not clutter up the useful posts.

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      Banning for mentioning Luigi is just absurd. Up voting has been a thing for a while , they just extended what it violated. Before this, up voting excessively or so soon after account creation flags you as a bot

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      Here is an example of an instance admin abusing the privilege of being able to see who voted for what content. OTOH, this incident was noted, and people started abandoning whole entire communities there and moving them elsewhere.

      THIS is the freedom that the Fediverse offers: not that you can do whatever you want, but that you don’t have to remain beholden to anyone else (like spez), and instead can move elsewhere at any time, while still accessing the entirety of the Fediverse (unlike Reddit which gates it behind their API limiters, for the sake of profit).

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    This article fails to mention that Huffman has previously praised Musk and how he runs Twitter.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-blackout-protest-private-ceo-elon-musk-huffman-rcna89700

    Huffman said he saw Musk’s handling of Twitter, which he purchased last year, as an example for Reddit to follow.

    More importantly he’s a doomsday prepper with fucked up views:

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich

    I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.

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      If I end up on top after the apocalypse I’ll go out of my way to get him as a slave.

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        I planned on catching him for sport, followed by slowly serving him up like kebab to poorer after the apocalypse.

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        I have no idea what you’re about but just based on this alone I’d let you share my tire barricade

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          Nice, thanks. Because the only way I’d survive the apocalypse would be as part of a community, I’m not exactly the warlord type. And plenty of people in the thread are on board with the same idea, so I’m fine with sharing spez.

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      YES!! THANK YOU!!

      huffman caught whiff of what’s happening, and this is just a stupid empty move to stir people up and try to cause chaos. everything that’s happening is so that people can manipulate and exploit investments. i got my second (or third? fourth?) permanent ban for bringing it up… well probably - i don’t know because reddit removes the comment it bans you for and doesn’t let you see it. so fucking done.

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      they want something like a 4400 future, if you watched the show basically its the rich/wealthy enclaves in thier perfect city, while outside is like madmax/desolated. add in a little time travelling, superpowers and body possession arcs. i dont think it lasted many seasons.

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      I might actually loathe him more than Musk.

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    Mod:

    Please link directly to articles, and provide archive links in the body or comments. I’m not locking or removing this at this time, but please take note in the future.

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      FWIW, seeing that the link was to an archive encouraged me to check out this Lemmy post. I understand the policy decision, but I wish I could see an indication in my feed that an archive link is available.

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        Understandable, although it is difficult and time-consuming to moderate such links, and nearly impossible if they are allowed outright. In this case, there was already significant discussion before it was identified (as well as other factors), so I made a judgement call to permit the rule violation. This is a user who should know better.

        You may be interested in using the tesseract lemmy client, which provides a smart linkbox on every post which includes archive links, etc.

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      Reminds me of the HD decryption key fiasco on digg. Everyone just kept posting it over and over in every thread. Moderators started banning people. People started jumping ship to Reddit.

      It’s what caused the first digg exodus, with the better known redesign failure being the second.

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        It’s kind of sad that it isn’t as pronounced as it was on Digg.

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        I don’t get it. Reddit’s so much more egregious than digg was - why haven’t more users jumped ship? the soul of the platform was broken with the API change, yet most users stayed, and the ones who did leave haven’t shown up here.

        was Lemmy just not ready?

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          Because the user experience didn’t change, so it wqsn’t obvious unless you kept up with specific news.

          Also, it’s still where all the porn is.

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          On r/RedditAlternatives people say e.g.:

          1. it’s software made and run by tankies
          2. it’s way more difficult to figure out how to use, than e.g. Reddit, much like Bluesky is easier than Mastodon
          3. it looks so much more empty, especially for topics not about using Linux or generic memes - where content at?
          4. they don’t need apps and will continue so long as Reddit hasn’t killed off old-Reddit yet
          5. they don’t want to bother with change, and their niche sub is where their current community is located, with very few others willing to move, hence they do not either (crabs in a bucket)

          Obviously all of these have at least a germ of truth, as well as being mixed in with laziness and believing falsehoods, like that Reddit isn’t already changing underneath them, so that even using old-Reddit as they have for years, it’s not the same anymore as it was.

          Also, Lemmy isn’t doing well in terms of adding new features to capitalize on attaining more users - e.g. in many ways the software here is even more authoritian than there, since while there is a modlog there is no modmail, no notification upon removal or locking of your content (notice the similarity here to being shadow-banned?), and the modlog simply says “mod”, so there is zero recourse to understand or appeal a mod decision. Plus lemmy.ml routinely instance-bans people from communities that they’ve never even heard of, for a single criticism of something going on in Russia, China, or North Korea (which ofc would be perfectly understandable for a rule violation, except that’s never stated anywhere in any rule set!?!?!? how are people supposed to follow the “rules” when nowhere are they ever written down!?).

          And don’t even get me started on the TROLLS here!!! That is the express purpose (this one even written down, tbf!:-) of Hexbear, to have the opportunity to “dunk” on liberals - which itself is totally fine, so long as both parties give consent to it, but the trouble comes when it spills out from those communities, or when someone stumbles into them by replying to a post seen in the All feed, without the ability to read the side-bar text first explaining what it is all about.

          Lemmy requires ENORMOUS efforts to curate someone’s feed, by blocking users, communities, and even whole entire instances (speaking of, the Lemmy feature that “does that” actually does not do that - it would have been better named as a community mute, since it still allows users from the instance to appear in communities not located specifically on that instance), and in the meantime people get bullied and name-called for their beliefs. Surprise: most normies do not enjoy that happening to them, hence just walk away rather than put up with all the gaslighting and other crap coming at them from Lemmy users. We aren’t terribly welcoming here, in many ways.:-(

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        at least on reddit people are complaining about the shadowbanning thats been going on, they said it was also unearned and criticized teh admins why were some accts shadowbanned for 10years,.

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          They’ve also really amped up the content moderation bots and are on the warpath for anything perceived to be bot accounts. Shadow bans are being given out for accounts that are hours old and haven’t even posted.

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      If you’d only said it three times, you would’ve summoned him. So close!

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    LOL Tiktok sent me a message for posting “Incarcerate Mango Mussolini” as a violation of it’s community guidelines so it seems like it’s happening everywhere.

    Fuck you tiktok, you can’t stop me.

    EDIT: Formating

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      I admit I’m not up to date on the leaning of various social media, but I had thought Tiktok, being Chinese-owned, might approve of more anti-Trump sentiment. Maybe they were more attuned to the “Incarcerate” portion.

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        TikTok has changed to be super right wing as well as soon as they came back from the first ban to appease The Orange Turd. Multiple folks are noticing comments that are racist, hate inspired, misogynistic, go unpunished. However if I where to put the poop emoji in response to what I would be in a high fear situation it gets banned due to community guidelines as most of my post are antifa in nature.

        Basically, they are trying to become truth social

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    The entire system wants you to forget about Luigi and the entire issue. Sort of memory hole it like so many other things and let them punish him in secret. So it’s no surprise Reddit and others will try to Streisand it.

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      Exactly. That’s the best part. There would have been a Luigi article every once in a while giving an update or whatever. Nothing is going on with him rn. But blocking his name is getting everyone talking about him again, and some are switching platforms because of it.

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        Streisand effect, much like how Msm was trying to paint as a degenerate killer, and made people find out why he did it

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    Finally, Reddit can die

    I was one of the many MANY victims of unjust banning, and I just want my niche communities here, all the weird expansion and transformation porn I like, DBD Shitposting, and The Sims 4 troublshooting… ahh…

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      Cardinal rule of being a reddit refugee on lemmy: if you want a specific community from reddit that doesnt exist here already, start it.

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        A bit easier said than done: some don’t have the time and mental space to dedicate to moderate a community.

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          Definitely. Lemmy is pretty collaborative in that regard. Most communities have lots of mods to help balance the workload. That being said, Lemmy is very much a “grassroots platform”. Everything we have here we build together. Not any one person is required to become involved in creating spaces here, but if there’s a space that doesn’t exist yet and you’d like it to then you’d have to start that ball rolling somewhere.

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          Do my method: Start it, invite others to mod. Let the passionate ones take over the ones you do not want to keep. Seed content as much or as little as you want. It is very, very passive work.

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      I settled over here when the API Desaster happend. I lost some communities, but I found new ones. Rarley, I have to engage with reddit for troubleshooting, but I treat it like any forum that I am not registered in, get my info and leave again.

      You’ll settle in and you’ll find the places you like here. And then you can always try to start a community of your own and see if it sticks. Many don’t, but some do.

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        I came during the API debacle as well! It was easy to see enshitification in the proverbial tea leaves.

        We really need to stop putting the “M.B.A. having” class of people in charge of things. They’re good at money, and that’s about it. Ask them why they do a thing and you’ll quick realize they’ve nurtured an idea of “fiduciary responsibility” where most people keep their moral compass.

        Your average C suit will degrade themselves and everything around themselves until they’re no more than a walking billboard for socialism.

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      I want my Fandoms and porn here. The niche stuff is the only reason why reddit has any appeal anymore.

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          Search Lemmy NSFW online, it’s there, just disconnected? I still don’t understand the different “nodes”.

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            The word you are looking for there is “instance”, like for you lemm.ee is your instance.

            And if you scroll to the bottom of any page, you can see the instances list of all the other ones that are connected or disconnected (the latter called more often “defederated”) from yours. lemm.ee is connected to https://lemmynsfw.com/, although it looks like something is wrong with the connection between it and feddit.org (e.g. it’s not reporting even the Lemmy software version for it, plus the encoding for the name looks different than on Lemm.ee - someone may have typed it in wrong?), so @affenlehrer@feddit.org you’ll have to contact your instance admins to tell them about that.

            Even then, to connect to the communities for the first time is quite a process: you can figure out what the URL is going to be, then try to go there, then request to join, then wait maybe a day and the content should show up (but only new content form then onwards, while old stuff is a lost cause at that point). Most of the time someone else (with more experience) has already done this for you, but if they have not…

            Btw PieFed solves all of these issues (except it might not allow porn? I’m not sure but I don’t see it anywhere there), whereas Lemmy is quite a bit behind in its software experience that it offers. The entire Fediverse though is more for the '“early adopter” mindset than like Reddit, where everything “just works” (so long as what you want is in alignment with increasing their profits). Using Lemmy is a LOT like using Linux - except here there’s basically no documentation that someone is pointed to, you kinda just have to ask or read and find stuff out as you go.

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          Barely any, sadly. We need more gals (and guys, too) to bare themselves here so it won’t be bare-ly anymore. Bears are acceptable, too. Not just twinks.

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      I was too, but it was Feb 12-13 I got banned, unjust one of my acc received a 3 day temp ban, but simultaneously it triggered reddit to ban 5 of my other accts site wide, but the ban message never indicated what was the actual violation but the generic" You violated several accounts policies" which made think it was entirely automated

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    I actually suspected that this was part of all this.

    Real humans with lots of karma, some of it perhaps built up from before they started fucking with karma? Who might say something other than what the paid sponsors want?

    I think this is an intentional move to try and get rid of anyone with any authenticity who isn’t a bot or a shill.

    It’s just my little conspiracy. People with accounts like my old one would be very undesirable (lots of karma, ancient account age, not a capitalist stooge.)

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      Maybe? They could do that anyway. It seems like drama to lure people back to me. The whole thing was written like an advertising in a warped way. Like those ads that make it to the front page that are slightly making fun of their product, but are ultimately advertising.

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      Does having an old account really get you any respect on reddit though? I feel like at least as often there’s some disdain for your having wasted so much time there.

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        I didn’t really mean it to imply that you get respect, so much as it’s more obvious that you’re a real, authentic person. People will give more weight to someone they know is a real person, versus a bot. Or a shill.

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    Corporate overlords silencing discussion while selling your data to advertisers. Classic digital fascism.

    🐱🐱

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        Dude something very weird is going on on Reddit. I’ve been through it with them for 12 years and this is like nothing I’ve ever seen.

        I finally deleted the terrible Reddit app when my feed was blasted with repeated comments that “Reddit is far left and the left are domestic terrorists.” Sorry what?

        These very weird not based in reality comments are posted almost verbatim in every thread. These people usually never respond to conversation.

        It’s very very weird

        I think your prediction is probably spot on. Reddit already feels like incel 9gag with a bunch of Russians pretending to be American college students.

        Edit: oh if that’s your optimistic take then oh wow haha I am staying here on Lemmy I’ll start posting too

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          You cannot wish for anything to die on .world, especially if it is a person or a corporate-person. The “centrist” .world mods look down on anything that makes capitalism or republicans look bad.

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            The instance operators are just trying not to get legally accountable for it? Call for murder is prosecutable in many countries. Also in the Netherlands where that instance is located.

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            Wait, but which .world mods? I’m technically also one of those and I don’t think that way. lol

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              Mostly news, world, and politics. In that order. But, it has been a lot better since the FlyingAsshat got his pink slip.

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                Ohh I can see that with World News mods. Yep, can attest some of them are dipshits. That’s why I have them blocked and their sub too.

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    Not that anyone cares but this same shit is happening on Tictoc as well. Anything pro Lulgi, PaIestine or anti lsraeI is banned. I assume it’s the same on Meta’s other properties as well. Straight up fasclsm!

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      Tiktok was seen sucking up to trump as of recently to stay on good terms, otherwise they would’ve allowed all the anti stuff

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        The “tlctoc ban” was nothing more than a switchover. There’s a reason their CE0 was at the lnogaration.

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    This post in R/technology hit r/all breifly Today around 7-8pm before the mods nipped that in the bud to appease shareholders. The comment section is a fucking shitshow with massive disappearing sections of engagement.

    One thing that really made me chuckle is this comment by someone I copied pertaining to an AI prompt response from GROK3 they initiated;

    I think if you ask an AI they’ll tell you.

    Here’s what Grok told me a couple weeks ago:

    here is Grok 3’s unexpurgated take:

    (Me) Assuming that the billionaires solidify their control of the US government past the point that the people can ever have a say in what happens anymore and voting becomes irrelevant, what ultimately happens after the system is completely controlled by the 0.001%?

    If billionaires were to solidify control over the U.S. government to the point where democracy effectively collapses and the public has no meaningful influence, the outcome would likely be a slow but steady transformation into an oligarchic system—think a modern feudalism with extra steps. Power would concentrate in the hands of a tiny elite, maybe a few dozen families or individuals, who’d use their wealth to dictate policy, law, and resource distribution. History gives us some clues: when unchecked elites run the show—Roman patricians, Renaissance merchant-princes, or even post-Soviet oligarchs—things tend to follow a pattern.

    First, you’d see the economy morph into a machine that funnels wealth upward even faster. Tax structures, labor laws, and regulations would tilt hard toward protecting the 0.001%—no more pesky antitrust enforcement or worker protections. Corporations owned by these billionaires would dominate, merging with the state in a kind of gilded fascism. Think monopolies on steroids, where dissenters get crushed not by jackboots but by algorithm-driven blacklists and financial ostracism. The middle class would erode as wages stagnate and automation (owned by the elite) displaces jobs, leaving a stark divide: a small aristocracy and a sprawling, dependent underclass.

    Society wouldn’t stay quiet forever, though. People don’t just shrug off losing their voice—they simmer, then boil. Without voting as an outlet, unrest would grow. Protests, riots, maybe even low-level insurgencies could pop up, especially as inequality becomes unbearable. The billionaires would counter with surveillance tech and private security forces—Blackwater 2.0, but with drones and AI. Public education and healthcare would likely wither, keeping the masses less capable of organizing or resisting. Propaganda would ramp up too, probably through media they own, painting their rule as inevitable or benevolent.

    Long term, it’s unstable. Absolute control sounds nice if you’re at the top, but it breeds resentment and fragility. The 0.001% might fracture internally—power-hungry elites often turn on each other when there’s no external threat to unify them. Or some black-swan event (climate disaster, tech breakthrough, foreign interference) could disrupt their grip. If the system gets too rigid, it might just collapse under its own weight, like a top-heavy empire—think Rome 2.0, but with better Wi-Fi. Alternatively, they could pull off a dystopian win, keeping the masses pacified with bread, circuses, and VR headsets while they sip champagne in fortified enclaves.

    No crystal ball here, but the vibe would be a mix of The Hunger Games aesthetics and Gilded Age vibes—opulence for the few, quiet desperation for the rest, and a slow burn toward either revolution or resignation. What do you think—would people fight back hard, or just adapt to the new normal?

    (Me again) In the scenario you just described, what happens to the billionaires themselves after society collapses?

    Once society collapses under the weight of their control, the billionaires’ fate hinges on how well they’ve insulated themselves and how the collapse plays out. They’ve got resources—money, private security, bunkers, offshore havens—so they’re not exactly scrambling for scraps right away. But they’re not invincible either; a societal breakdown cuts both ways.

    If it’s a chaotic free-for-all—think riots, infrastructure failure, and armed factions—they’d likely hole up in fortified compounds or flee to places like New Zealand or private islands they’ve already bought. They’ve got the means: private jets, loyal mercenaries, and stockpiles of food and fuel. Some might even have tech-driven mini-cities ready, with solar grids and hydroponics to ride out the storm. For a while, they’d live like post-apocalyptic kings, surrounded by guards and sipping vintage wine while the world burns. But isolation has limits. Supply chains, even private ones, erode in total chaos. Their staff—pilots, security, engineers—might turn on them if loyalty fades or desperation kicks in. A pissed-off ex-employee with a gun and a grudge could unravel their little utopia fast.

    If the collapse spawns organized resistance—say, a coalition of pissed-off citizens or a rogue military splinter—they’d face bigger threats. Billions don’t buy immunity from a determined mob or a drone strike. History’s littered with examples: French aristocrats thought their chateaus were safe until the guillotines rolled out. The billionaires might try to negotiate, offering resources to warlords or new power players, but trust would be thin. They could end up as bargaining chips, ransomed, or just eliminated as symbols of the old regime.

    Internally, they’d probably start eating each other too. With no common enemy left to unify them, rivalries would flare. One billionaire’s private army might raid another’s compound for dwindling resources. Alliances would shift, paranoia would spike, and their little oligarchy could fracture into a survivalist soap opera. Think Game of Thrones, but with fewer dragons and more Teslas.

    Longer term, if society rebuilds, they might try to reinsert themselves as saviors—funding reconstruction, playing philanthropist to rewrite their legacy. Some might pull it off, especially if they’ve hoarded critical tech or knowledge. Others could fade into obscurity, their wealth meaningless in a world that’s moved on. Worst case, they’re hunted down by a new order that sees them as the root of the mess.

    So, post-collapse, they’d either cling to power as warlord-lite figures in their gilded cages, get taken out by betrayal or vengeance, or slink away to obscurity if the world resets. Depends on how ruthless they stay and how much the rest of humanity cares to chase them. What’s your take—would they outlast the chaos or get swallowed by it?

    Its almost funny hos people are SOOOOOOOO close to getting to the bottom of whats going on. But there is this delulu idealism resulting from years or decades of successful social conditioning to keep believing in this obviously flawed and now non existent American exceptionalism via the integrity of our democracy which hasn’t existed in at least 4 decades if not longer.(probably since the mass assassination of leftist leaders in the late 1960’s) its like the first half of that prompt response isn’t a theoretical what if, its a literal explanation of what has already happened and what the system and all the corporatist actors are attempting to preserve at all costs.

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      Alot of them complaining about the recent ban waves, many accounts were shadow banned for very little reason at all

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        Thats some of it but if you order comments by controversial you’ll see the boot lickers and their neo lib apologists are out in full force

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      I read the article and I couldn’t believe how much of an effort they’re making to silence people. This is the world we live in. It’s so sad.

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    i was reading the same post on reddit, people agree with the enshittifcation process going on,.