Also! They literally let someone hand out 250 million dollars, openly, and our “courts” gave it the go-ahead - even if it goes against some of the longest standing legal precedent regarding buying votes (done with booze back in the day).
This election wasn’t a thumb on the scale, it was the oligarchs mushroom-stamping humanity.
Also, these oligarchs don’t realize that they’re going to be robbed just like the rest of us when the time comes. If they don’t do exactly what trump and putin want, they’ll either fall out of window or have to spend the rest of their lives hiding. These will be remembered as the good ol’ days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_since_2022
… So fucking what?
“Ooh, he hasn’t got a mandate.” Yeah, know what he has got?
CONTROL OF THE GOVERNMENT. And no intention of ever giving it up.
(Yes, I know, don’t abandon hope, organise, and all that. But crap like this just reads like “it’ll obviously work out fine just wait it out” shit. Which famously Does Not Fucking Work)
Idk, I can respect where you’re coming from, but this meme feels more to me like a counter to people who are saying “Trump won, this is what America voted for, if you fight against his agenda you’re fighting against the will of the people” etc. type crap
Totally agreed that just hoping things will work out fine isn’t any kind of plan, but a reminder that the average human being doesn’t like what’s happening right now can help people feel a little less crazy when they’re staying informed about current events
But aren’t we though, in a way? A bunch of people looked at everything Trump and Project 2025 promised, and said, ‘meh, seems fine, I see no reason to vote against this.’ That means they either agreed with what those things were saying, or at least don’t mind them.
In other words, tacit support.
I think that undersells how uninformed most folks are, and how weak critical thinking skills are, on average. Too many people were credulous when trump said he didn’t know anything about project 2025, and many people currently getting deported believed they’d only deport “hardened criminals”. So I don’t think it’s even being fine with these terrible policies, I think a lot of people were simply ignorant.
The ignorance is by design of course, so I’m not trying to pin the blame solely on individuals: the disinformation landscape is a huge boost for right wing extremism, and of course the Democrats themselves just constantly shit the bed. The Dems aren’t Left enough to galvanize support from people who want real change in the system (so they say “fuck it” and either sit out, or become accelerationists), and even the policies they do tout that would help at the margins don’t get any attention - in part because they’re consistently bad at messaging, but also because nuanced, calm reasoning isn’t as attention grabbing as hate and fear.
And I think it should be obvious to anyone with eyes and two functional brain cells at this point that the Dems are the controlled opposition party.
That’s fair, good point
What meme? This has been posted exactly one time, right here. That doesn’t make a meme.
I don’t read it that way
Those who didn’t vote, who thought their vote didn’t matter, that no matter which politician gets elected to whatever office… they’re complicit.
The only significantly statically impactful group of “non voters” is the population that was unable to or inconvenienced heavily by voting.
Meaning the major majority of voters that didn’t vote were either unable to because of other obligations (work, childcare, etc) with a small subset of that being people that were no motivated enough to deal with the inconvenience of visiting a poll line (4hours in line) after a 10 hour shift.
These are the vast vast majority of people that did not show up. Beyond that an even smaller percentage was the "protest voters’ that even if 100% of which went to Harris she still would have lost.
I guess I just want to say “in conclusion” that the vast majority of voters that didn’t vote were giving you your Starbucks or your Taco Bell.
I think we should spend less time blaming voters and more time being critical of the politicians and party that gives zero reason for the working class to “risk” their shift for.
No one’s gonna “risk a shift” for the policies and messaging that Harris communicated. You don’t get people to “risk their shift” for voting for a lesser evil.
Sometimes i get the feeling that voting on a tuesday is working as expected: to keep working an poor people from voting…
Germany has voting per defintion only on sundays, and (at least where i live) the voting booths are everywhere. You can vote either per mail, or from 8:00 to 18:00 at a booth, and i never had to wait in a line to vote, and i’m in my 40s
No it’s the voters fault. Never forget. \s
the population that was unable to or inconvenienced heavily by voting.
Voting early or by mail was available to:
-Alaska
-Arizona
-Arkansas
-California: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Colorado: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-D.C.: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Delaware
-Florida
-Georgia
-Hawaii: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Idaho
-Illinois
-Iowa
-Kansas
-Maine
-Maryland
-Massachusetts
-Michigan
-Minnesota
-Montana
-Nebraska
-Nevada: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-New Jersey
-New Mexico
-New York
-North Carolina
-North Dakota
-Ohio
-Oklahoma
-Oregon: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Pennsylvania
-Rhode Island
-South Dakota
-Utah: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Vermont: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Virginia
-Washington: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Wisconsin
-WyomingI’m not saying people don’t have tough lives, but it has been made pretty available to a lot of people at this point.
Note that there’s some asterisks on there.
Some of those states require you to get your ballot notarized and/or signed by witnesses. Incidentally this opens the door for voter intimidation since your witness is likely to be a spouse.
Also, you have scenarios like NC where they are trying to retroactively toss ballots that were counted, and mail in opens the door for “something wasn’t quite proper about the ballot, discard it”.
If you absolutely, positively, can not vote in person at all, then try your luck with mail in ballots, but if at all possible vote in person if you want the best chance for your vote to count.
I really appreciate your comment, because here we are months later and still a lot of folks don’t seem to be getting the big picture.
Maybe they need someone to blame other than the GOP, and folks who didn’t vote are the easiest target.
I guess I just want to say “in conclusion” that the vast majority of voters that didn’t vote were giving you your Starbucks or your Taco Bell.
This is a very clear and succinct description of something I’ve been struggling to articulate for years. Affluent liberals can tell their boss they’re taking a long lunch to vote, and they don’t understand why shift workers don’t do the same.
Other countries vote on Sundays, US could do the same.
Also mail in voting exists.
But yes, big brain move to not vote or vote some third party.
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You lot never blame the dem leadership for making their biggest funder AIPAC/Israel, and allowing AIPAC funding to completely steer the party platform, the candidate choice, and the course of the race. Somehow Dem leaders are simply immune from blame in your eyes, even when AIPAC steers this outcome straight to a loss and Israelis said they never wanted the dems to win anyway.
The dems losing was much more desirable to AIPAC than a non genocide dem entering the race. The polls told dem leadership they were going to lose for the entire race and they decided to take the loss rather than give in to the no-to-genocide voters. AIPAC/Israel was more important to dem leadership than winning the race. Why do you still imagine that AIPAC supports dem voters or cares about America? You’ve learned nothing and you’re on the way to lose some more. Did you hear Dem leaders talk about the needs of the voters very much? No. You didnt-- but you sure saw them get animated and passionate about supporting zionist war crimes.For my vote, I wasnt going to lift a finger for any war criminal of any party, even if it meant this country burned itself to the ground. If the choice is murder lots of innocents or burn this place to the ground, I chose not to participate and let this place burn itself to the ground, and I’ll do it again if needed-- so will lots of other people – and theres nothing you can do about it. Dems cant win an election without them either.
So “blame” me on the internet all day, your boos mean nothing, I’ve seen what makes you cheer. I hope every dem leader gets to experience unemployment, and if it leads to revolution or “regime change” as we like to casually say it when its other countries suffering, then so be it. Its past time for this farce to “fundamentally change”.
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You’re not, they want to blame the voters for a bad candidate.
Local ballots? You should vote, that has more sway. My vote for Harris in California matter as much if I voted for Sonic the Hedgehog for President.
Or suppressed. I’ll give some anecdotal examples. I have a friend that lives in a major metropolitan area with over 2.6 million people. When he applied to get a photo ID (he lost his previous one and needed a new one), the soonest appointment available for the entire metropolitan area was 3 months out. That’s just for the appointment to apply for the ID, not actually receiving the ID. You are required to have a photo ID to vote. Then, voter registration in itself must also be completed at least a month before an election. Now, let’s talk about the process of actually voting. I’ve personally stood in line for over 6 hours to vote. A lot of the people waiting in line had to leave to pick up their kids and other things. If you don’t pick up your kids from school or daycare at very specific times, there are serious penalties. While I was waiting, there must have been at least 40 people in front of me that had to leave before voting. Many of them had waited in line for over 4 hours. For most people, waiting in line is the only way to vote. Only the elderly and disabled qualify to vote by mail. Make no mistake, voter suppression is very effective, and it is implemented specifically in areas that vote against what the ruling party wants. In Trump leaning areas, the lines were no longer than a two minute wait if they existed at all. Trump never would have won either election if it wasn’t for voter suppression.
The most complicit are the genocidal wackos who nominated a cop/prosecutor that campaigned to the cheyneys.
Nobody should be shamed into voting for trash.
I voted, and my vote definitely did not matter. Nor will it until we completely overhaul the election system, getting rid of the electoral college and first past the post. I don’t think that’s going to happen either until politicians acquire enough fear to offset their greed.
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Your vote only matters in swing states. The whole electoral college thing is fucked.
Yeah, it’s pretty dumb. The popular vote is what should matter. That’s the only way each vote counts as much as any other vote, which is like a basic principle of democracy.
didn’t Trump still win the popular vote though
He got more votes than Harris, but less than 50%.
Internalizing the “your vote only matters in purple states” will turn it into a self fulfilling prophecy.
Previously blue states have turned purple, previously purple states have turned red. Nothing is set in stone, although resting on your laurels (if your state is blue) or giving up (if your state is red) will all but guarantee that the changes will only happen in one direction: the bad one.
In 2020, Texas would have gone blue were it not for Ken Paxton purging mail-in votes, by Paxton’s own admission.
Nothing is set in stone, so you need fight for every inch.
Internalizing the “your vote only matters in purple states” will turn it into a self fulfilling prophecy.
They’re not prophesizing about some future, but making an obvious factual statement about present reality.
Nothing is set in stone, so you need fight for every inch.
You should check out the current administration. They’re not leaving any time soon.
Does emphasizing “votes only matter in swing states” influence future votes?
Both times Trump won was when a woman was running against him. The only time he lost was to a white old man.
USA is just sexist and Americans better come to terms with it rather than making up random reasons.
Basically if Tim Walz was the presidential candidate he probably would have won.
This! Kamala is a black woman. She was never going to win. When asked if they would rather win or be right, they chose being right. They live on denial on how sexist and racist their country is.
there wasn’t really a primary system or anything to address this
Dems aren’t going to nominate anybody without a long record of violence.
Correlation is not causation. We elected Obama who was one of the youngest presidents in US history first term. Also he was Black. I’m not saying the country is sexist, but I am saying both the female candidates that made it the general election, ran on dog shit platforms of “more of the same”
While your logic does have a point, and there’s no shortage of sexists out there, I must also state that both Clinton and Harris were horrid candidates as well, and both followed a democrat president the people were starting to/were done with.
Not only that, but both times Trump preyed on what the people were desperate to hear: “Better living conditions, lower prices” and all that. This was mainly the illusion of choice between two evils, and they chose the one that seemed to be the lesser one. The one who appeared to be “more honest” and despite being a nepo-baby called out and criticized all other rich people.
The issue is the system itself, and the fact that voters choose their candidates like celebrities or their sports team. See Harris making her campaign way more about celebrity endorsement than commiting to actual societal issues. She was never gonna win like that, and even if she did, she would still be a bad president. Not worse for sure, now that we all are seeing current Trump starting all sorts of conflicts and trying to become a dictator, but still a bad president.
The US can elect a female president. But so far the options picked for that were absolutely horrid, and I know there’s several good and competent female leaders who are both democrats and republicans. Sadly they have too much common sense or lean too much to the centre to be taken seriously by the ones who want to create a spectacle.
Hillary was an excellent candidate who was eminently qualified
Between her and Harris she’s 10x less bad, I’ll give you that. Other than that, agree to disagree. 🤷♂️
If only things were that simple. Humans love to focus on just one reason, but when dealing with a population of voters you have to use statistics to understand anything about whats going on. I’m sure sexism was a factor but theres so much more than that.
People forget that black men, many of whom were born slaves, got the right to vote before women.
Maybe the women weren’t qualified? Clinton ran thinking her name would be enough. Kamala ran because she/they thought anyone except Joe could win. 36% who didn’t vote are the true cowards in all this mess. Now a majority of Americans will suffer for 4 years because of lazy-asses who thought that not showing up to vote was a protest move. WRONG!
You can disagree with her politics but to call Clinton unqualified is actually absurd
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If you didn’t vote then you voted for the bad guy.
If you didn’t vote you are just as bad as the MAGAniacs.
If you didn’t vote you voted for Trump.
If you didn’t vote you are responsible for the current situation.
Cannot disagree more and this kind of rhetoric is not likely to sway non voters.
Who cares? Fuck them. They need to feel shame.
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Its just not a winning strategy. If you are fine with the world burning to stand on principles so be it though.
Do you understand why that sounds incredibly hypocritical in this context? This could read equally well as a condemnation of someone that didn’t vote.
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Yeah well, absolving them of shame and blaming Anyone and everyone except nonvoters isn’t a winning strategy either. As evidenced by gestures around
How about we shame the 2 candidates that should’ve won in blowout victories but instead lost to donald trump?
How about we shame the people that nominated them over the alternatives?
If anything, it just shows how awful the democrat’s nominees were that they couldn’t even beat trump.
You people only have yourselves to blame. Stop running loser candidates.
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If you DID vote for Harris, you voted for slightly delayed fascism. You didn’t vote for democracy, you just voted for slightly delayed fascism. I know, I voted for her. Democracy wasn’t on the ballot.
I agree.
These useful idiots have been conditioned to think that a slow loss is a win, though.
It’s a major reason why I will never vote for the ‘lesser evil’ candidate again.
If the people getting mad at me because I didn’t vote and trump won, they should do something differently next election and run a candidate that is good, not just the lesser evil.
Spoiler alert: They won’t do anything different and continue to blame the people for not “falling in line.” This is a song and dance that will last the rest of our lives.
It’s a major reason why I will never vote for the ‘lesser evil’ candidate again.
I get your point and I agree that voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil but what is your solution?
The dems dont have a reason to pick a better candidate because they wont be the ones suffering under trump, its everyone else that suffers.
The solution is changing our culture. People need to value different things then put those values into action.
The problem is that democrats are greedy and entitled, too. They’re not willing to give up their luxuries to help those who have less because they believe that those who have more deserve more, and those who have less deserve less.
It’s why Bernie lost the nomination, twice.
The dems dont have a reason to pick a better candidate because they wont be the ones suffering under trump, its everyone else that suffers.
Great point. The useful idiots should be picking better candidates in the primaries. There are other options besides the lesser and greater evils. I’ve mentioned before though how the useful idiots have been conditioned to believe that a slow loss is still a win; it’s not.
Thanks, I only partially agree with you. While your solution is a good way, its also a long way. Culture changes are slow but people are suffering now under trump that wouldnt have suffered under Harris.
Dreaming of a better future is awesome but it shouldnt come at the cost of the present. Honestly the us political system sucks and I dont know how I would choose if my moral wouldnt allow me to support either candidate.
While I can respect your morality I can also understand that others are unhappy with the non voters because Harris is still far less evil than Trump.
Honestly the us political system sucks and I dont know how I would choose if my moral wouldnt allow me to support either candidate.
I’m being the change I want to see in the world. Clearly supporting establishment politicians is not solving the problems that face us as a species, so I’m choosing to do something different.
When the useful idiots get tired of losing to fascists, then maybe they’ll start to do something different, too.
I don’t expect them to, though. It’s part of what makes them useful idiots.
What exactly are you doing differently? I am not sure if I missed that or misunderstood something.
What I got is that you are not voting, which will change nothing to the better. And trying to change the culture?
Well it was, but Cornell West was a snowball in hell
i voted (harris obv) but they apparently had issues with my vote and didnt count it until literally after trump won :)
Both options were bad.
You ran a shit candidate and lost, take the L and be better
Fucking wrong. Every asshole who abstained from voting, voted for Trump. He received 60%. At the very least, that 30% didnt vote for someone else.
If you people want me to vote for your candidate, make sure they aren’t just the “lesser evil.”
Try doing something different next time if you want different results. Don’t repeat the same mistakes.
Blame everyone who voted for hillary clinton in the 2016 primary for why we now have 2 trump presidencies. They’re out of touch.
I get the frustration but this is a bad take.
In a two-party, first-past-the-post system you kinda have an ethical obligation to vote for the lesser evil. It’s just a statistical fact you can’t ignore.
It fucking blows, but if your choices are the shitty status quo or full blown fascism, you really should pick the status quo.
Obviously doesn’t fix the problem with the Democrat party sliding further and further right since they can continue to claim “lesser evil”… and it also doesn’t fix the DNC superdelegate shenanigans that got us Hillary instead of Bernie… but I’d rather the country be able to still exist to fight another day.
In a two-party, first-past-the-post system you kinda have an ethical obligation to vote for the lesser evil. It’s just a statistical fact you can’t ignore.
Not really, but you’re free to believe that.
The ethical stance to take against 2 evil candidates is to support neither. Supporting the lesser evil makes useful idiots think that they’re winning and therefore stop fighting back.
Any ire you direct towards the people who don’t support evil candidates would be better spent directed towards those who do support evil candidates. i.e. don’t waste your breath arguing with non-voters, dedicate that energy towards the people who keep supporting candidates that don’t represent their interests.
It’s just a statistical fact you can’t ignore.
Actually, the people who refuse to support evil candidates are a statistical fact you can’t ignore.
Since we’re talking facts, let me lay another one on you. All you people do when you get mad at me for not voting is reinforce my decision to keep doing it. I’m not going to cave to look good in front of ya’ll, I genuinely don’t care what most of you think.
Either run a candidate that supports the working class, or I’m not voting for them.
The ethical stance to take against 2 evil candidates is to support neither.
This may be the ethical thing to do. However, ethical is not always the best.
By not voting the lesser evil, you allowed the more evil to win the elections.
The percentage of non-voting people has no direct impact to the end result. In a perfect democratic world, that non-voting majority would sign the elected government to be more careful with their decisions, as people are loosing trust. In the current state of “democracy”, a fascist just took over and started dismantling the country.
I’ve mentioned before how the problem with the lesser evil is that useful idiots stop fighting.
Since neither side really cares about solving the problems that face us as a species, it’s a loss no matter what.
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Yes, it’s a loss no matter what. But when you get to decide whether to eat a shit sandwich or a paper sandwich, you either choose to eat the paper sandwich or you’re forced to eat the shit sandwich. Guess you opted for the shit sandwich… enjoy!
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You’re conflating voting for someone with supporting them. I didn’t support Hillary or Kamala but I still voted for them because the alternative was so much worse. That’s just the shitty reality of our two-party, fptp voting system.
In this system, one of those two parties will win regardless of how you specifically cast or don’t cast your vote. The time to fight for the ideal candidate is the four years leading up to the election. When you get to the ballot box, you really just have to swallow what’s perfect and pick what’s not terrible (at least in that moment).
Supporting the lesser evil makes useful idiots think that they’re winning and therefore stop fighting back.
But the alternative is effectively accelerationism, throwing millions of people under the bus, and hoping that things shake out in your favor after a violent revolution. Which… I don’t agree with as a plan, but we’re kind of already on this path so 🤷♂️.
Also, I’m not mad at you. And I think I largely agree with you, with anger at the system and candidate selection. I just don’t agree with you about casting your vote being the time and place to stage a protest (in a system like ours at least).
No, I’m not conflating anything. I’m referring directly to the people that supported hillary clinton over Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primary.
I just don’t agree with you about casting your vote being the time and place to stage a protest (in a system like ours at least).
It’s fine for us to disagree on this. Perhaps more fascism will eventually cause you to advocate for doing something different.
I can say with certainty that trying to argue with me about why I should support the lesser evil is a complete waste of your time and energy.
I can say with certainty that trying to argue with me about why I should support the lesser evil is a complete waste of your time and energy.
Well, I guess we’ll just have to agree on that then.
You have to vote according to how the electoral system actually works, not how you wish it worked. Unless you - yes, you - are personally prepared to fund and organise a revolution to change that system then you vote against the actual fascist.
I can tell you’re going to go through whatever mental gymnastics are necessary to convince yourself that voting for the lesser evil is somehow a win.
Sorry you’ve been conditioned to dedicate so much energy working against your own interests. If more of you diverted that energy to the people supporting our oppressors, we wouldn’t need to be having this discussion.
I can tell you’re going to go through whatever mental gymnastics are necessary to convince yourself that voting for the lesser evil is somehow a win.
My friend, the only one performing mental gymnastics right now is you trying to convince yourself that what you have achieved by refusing to vote against a fascist is a win.
Sorry you’ve been conditioned to dedicate so much energy working against your own interests. If more of you diverted that energy to the people supporting our oppressors, we wouldn’t need to be having this discussion.
Assuming you’re an American, by refusing to vote against fascism I’m pretty sure you won’t be having any free discussions in a year or so lest you be carted off by the local stasi.
achieved by refusing to vote against a fascist is a win.
How? Either way I lose.
If I voted for harris and harris won, I still lost. If I voted for harris and trump won, I still lost. if I voted for trump and trump won, I still lost.
You’re naive enough to believe that harris winning is the same as you winning, and that’s just proving my point. You’ve been conditioned to think that a slow loss is the same as a win.
Assuming you’re an American, by refusing to vote against fascism I’m pretty sure you won’t be having any free discussions in a year or so lest you be carted off by the local stasi.
Yeah, you’re too far gone to be taken seriously. Your reply is just an automated response you feel compelled to make to fit in with other people who are also too far gone.
Gonna block you now. Good luck in life.
How? Either way I lose.
Because when you vote against a fascist you’re considering wider society, not just your self.
If I voted for harris and harris won, I still lost. If I voted for harris and trump won, I still lost. if I voted for trump and trump won, I still lost.
The correct statement is 'if Harris gets in, I lost. If Trump gets in everyone loses. Its about more than just you.
You’re naive enough to believe that harris winning is the same as you winning, and that’s just proving my point. You’ve been conditioned to think that a slow loss is the same as a win
I’m not American. What I am though is able to see that fascism is worse than conservatism. The fact that conservatism is still bad is irrelevant when the only other choice is an actual fascist because the fascist will probably remove your power to vote in the future.
Gonna block you now. Good luck in life.
Yeah, some truths are too uncomfortable to be lived with aren’t they?
I find it very interesting how conceptualizing binary states vs continuous ranges play into justifying not voting for the lesser evil.
By definition, a request to acknowledge the lesser evil means that the audience is able to understand “evil” on a continuous range.
Yet all of the justifications I see against voting for the lesser evil center on viewing the world through an absolute, binary lens. “I lose either way.” “Genocide is genocide, nevermind that there’s more of it, protestors are being silenced, the ones doing the genocide call Trump’s administration a ‘dream team’, we now have a genocide against trans citizens as well”, etc.
Do you think you’d lose less had Kamala won? Why or why not?
My life is going to go on much the same no matter who is in office.
The rest of you, though, should be asking yourselves why the greater evil won and consider running a good candidate in the future.
The fact you’re trying to justify “losing less” proves my point further about your conditioning. Try to direct some of that energy towards the people who have conditioned you. Maybe then the greater evil won’t win next time because you people did something different.
Vote against genocide. It’s that simple. There are no excuses, when genocide is on the table, you do something.
Yeah… now people have to argue if whoever you’re talking about really supports genocide, and to what extent.
Yeah fuck off. At least Kamala wouldn’t have been trying to cripple and invade my country
Like I said, I don’t expect you people to do anything different.
This song and dance is going to go on until the day I die and likely long after.
Who is “you people”. I’m not American.
I also wasn’t a huge fan of Kamala but at least she wasn’t threatening the sovereignty of numerous nations. She had terrible views on Gaza but she also wasn’t talking about bulldozing Gaza to set up her own luxury resort on top of the corpses.
But no thank you for being so moral as to not vote for her. I’ll think of you when Trump sends his military into Canada and my city
You people are the ones fighting the non-voters instead of those nominating candidates the people don’t want to vote for.
Instead of getting mad at me, you people should be getting mad at those who keep nominating candidates I refuse to vote for.
You’re wasting your breath trying to convince me to change. I’ve said before all you guys do when you get angry at me for non-voting is reinforce my decision to do so. This means that all of you arguing against me are actually arguing in favor of more fascism, because that’s what we keep getting.
A protest (non) vote is useless if you’re not going to get to vote again. If you want to fight for something, maybe fight to get rid of FPTP and your two party system that has lead to this scenario.
Instead of getting mad at me, you people should be getting mad at those who keep nominating candidates I refuse to vote for.
I am mad at them. I don’t even like the Democratic Party, they’re barely any better than the Canadian Conservative Party (at least before PP who has pushed the party much further in Trump’s direction).
But again, at least they weren’t planning an invasion of my country, or Panama, or Greenland/Denmark. Or putting people (including Canadians!) in camps. Or selling out Ukraine to buddy up with Russia. Or tearing down any “check and balance” your government had, in record time
I may not be able to convince you but you’re definitely affirming my view
If it’s this easy to “invade” canada, then why would you have faith in the state at all?
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Oh man this imperial crybaby is canadian? lol.
You would be happy with her continuing to invade and cripple other countries tho?
When the hell did I say that? Don’t put words in my mouth you stupid fucking American
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So 68.1% of the American public are complicit. Worse than I thought TBH. Fuck.
Yeah, pretending that it wasn’t a landslide is a grand delusion.
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Complicit with genocide? That’s everybody who voted actually.
In the US it’s legal for corporations to create propaganda outlets which stream nonstop lies designed to get sensitive individuals to vote fascists. It’s impossible to have democratic elections and have completely disinformed and propagandized voters. Yet even after killing hundreds of thousands of conservative voters the courts have sided with the propaganda outlets.
Yeah, these numbers are generally brought up to “show” how weak Trump support is. But, what I see is that leftists are not a majority, even among people that give a damn. So, if leftists are going to make any progress, they need to take concrete actions with whoever they can agree with for that project, instead of attacking other leftists (because they didn’t vote e.g.) and going no-contact with everyone that’s not as ideologically pure as yourself.
We have to build consensus and lead by example before we can win at the polls.
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I didn’t say democracts were. But leftists that did vote voted D as harm reduction.
The mistake here is assuming that the dems are left.
Where exactly did I say Dems are left? I self-identify as a (democratic) socialist, and there’s plenty of infighting all over the left: anarchists, communists, etc.
I voted for the Dems, but that’s harm reduction not agreement.
It’s so fucking infuriating that practically every election, if it were possible, “did not vote” would win the presidency.
We’re always looking at some stupidly close, razor margins bullshit, when there’s a MASSIVE group of people that unfortunately just couldn’t possibly give a shit less…
That’s the point. It’s important these people think that each election is between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.
It’s why Bernie wasn’t allowed to win any primaries.
Last elections were between stale bread with wilted lettuce and a turd sandwich covered in diarrhea with lead flakes and pube sprinkles.
And millions of Americans still think they’re the same. I guess sabotaging education for 50 years really works.
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Not voting is not the same as not voting for Trump. Not voting is complying with other people’s votes. If you don’t live in a swing state then that’s understandable but if you live in a swing state and didn’t vote, you have allowed Trump to win this election.
I wonder what the percentage of not voters in swing states is. Surely it would be way lower since they have more incentive to vote right?
The top 10 states by voter participation are: Minnesota Colorado Oregon Washington Wisconsin Maine New Hampshire Michigan Iowa New Jersey
Those above as well as Virginia, Montana, Massachusetts, Vermont, North Carolina, Florida, and Connecticut have participation rates above ~70%. While a few swing states are in there, it’s certainly not overwhelming given that I’ve listed about 40% of the states.
Of course the dems didnt win. How can an ostensibly leftist politcal party win an election based on support of another countrys far right-wing genocidal war, while standing for very little else, and while also reaching rightward for republican votes? Did you honestly think rhetorically waving a glock around and hugging Liz Cheney would simply work out?
The only winners here who got exactly what they wanted were AIPAC, who also were the biggest funders of both american polictial parties in what is essentially a mercenary state.
So why blame the voters when its the dem party leadership and AIPAC who set this lose-lose scenario up?
If you live in a country with only two options, you have to pick between one of the options, or let other people do it for you. If you chose to go with the latter, I hope it worked out for you.
Also the democratic party isn’t leftist at all so idk what you expect. It’s center-right at best.
Hitler got about 33% back when he started. He achieved his position by simply ignoring the law after that. Sounds familiar?
So they reformed the state after ww2, right?
No such change here. People literally swear their lives to “defending” the olde slavermaster pact.
They basically overhauled the political landscape completely. Actually, the allies installed a parliamentary system that fixed most issues of the German, British, and US system, and it has worked quite well, better than the originals.
I think you’re on to something. Presidential Republics are inherently unstable. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that South Korea is facing similar issues to America and both have Presidential systems.
After this settles if we aren’t all fighting in anarcho-capitalist communes, America might consider similar structural reform and consider a Prime Minister style of bicameralism (but they can call it President instead).
You make a good point and it’s a hopeful one
If you didn’t vote then you were fine with this outcome. The majority are ok with Trump winning.
I get downvoted every time I bring this up too. However, the voters saw January 6th and they saw the repeal of Roe V Wade. If that wasn’t enough to get your butt to vote then you’re fine with this.
I still think big tech backed Trump because of Lina Khan. Well also the tax breaks. Urgh …
The fuck? I’m not fine with this outcome.
I’m also not fine with the outcome of harris.
Both suck, but what makes harris suck is that you people will think you’re winning because you’re losing slower. I refuse to fall in line because I will not support the idea that a slow loss is somehow a win.
If you people want different results, run different candidates! Otherwise, “you are fine with this outcome.”
The fuck? I’m not fine with this outcome.
didn’t vote
Pick a lane dude.
Learn to read.
Learn to think. All up and down this thread you’re coming out with the same illogical arguments that defy reality and contradict yourself. Maybe have a little think about why people are so cross with you and why trump and Putin are so pleased with your choices and your words.
I’m saying things you don’t want to accept and that go against your herd mentality. You intrinsically need to throw whatever shit at the wall to see what sticks to fit in with your peers.
I don’t expect more from people like you and you just reinforce my decisions when you get mad at me instead of yourselves.
Maybe have a little think about why people are so cross with you
“…herd mentality…” “…just reinforce my decisions…” “…throw shit at the wall…” “…people like you…”
That’s a no, then. You’re absolutely not going to do any reflection. Everyone else is wrong except you. Got it.
“why trump and Putin are so pleased with your choices and your words.”
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So you want to lose faster?
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Imagine having this little intelligence. Life must be bliss.
This is downvoted…?
Not anymore it isn’t.
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It’s not what they said.
By not voting, you are complicit with whomever ends up on the White House, that could be someone you like (and obviously it is for probably a lot of people who didn’t vote) but assuming you were eligible and able, by not voting, the statement you effectively make is ‘I am ok with any option’
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No, if you vote for Democrats, and they win, you are saying you voted for Democrats, this is simpler than you are making it.
Not voting (when eligible and able) just means you are apathetic to the outcome.
Saying ‘democrats bad’ isn’t some gotcha response to this concept. Voting for someone who goes against their constituent, is a bad person, or otherwise isn’t what you expected is not the same thing as not voting at all, nor is voting for someone with a slim chance of winning or voting for someone that the general population disagrees with. All of those are actions taken to have some stake in the process and they are conscious decisions to support a specific person or group.
When you don’t vote, you implicitly support the winner, because by definition, you chose not to support anyone else, that’s just how the concept of voluntary voting works, it has nothing to do with the politics at play.
I wasn’t saying you personally didn’t vote, I was speaking colloquially, using ‘you’ to refer to the subject of the discussion (a person who didn’t vote).
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So you just didn’t read my comment where I addressed the fact that I am not claiming you didn’t vote, and instead you want to sling shit?
I get the feeling that you don’t want to have a conversation, you just want to yell. I get it, but I won’t participate any longer.
How gross it is, considering what was in the line that so many didn’t vote. Also I bet the duck he cheated.
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As usual, apathy is the greatest ally of authoritarianism.
I’d say the lesser evil is the greatest ally of authoritarianism in this case.
People don’t vote for democrats because democrats don’t care about the working class. They just use the culture war as a distraction from the class war.
If useful idiots didn’t vote for hillary clinton in the 2016 primary, we would’ve had 8 years of Bernie and 0 years of trump.
Instead, they just throw a woman up and say “hey guys! first BLACK woman president! Vote for us or you’re a bigot fascist!”
Surprise surprise, that’s not a winning strategy. Stop supporting the democrats who push it.
Fun fact: both times democrats ran a female president resulted in a trump presidency. In other words, 100% of female democratic presidential candidates lost to trump. If we follow history and want a fascist in office, let’s run a female that doesn’t care about the working class.
This is misleading.
According to those stats, the majority of people voted for someone other than Harris as well.
The real takeaway here is large percentage of people that don’t vote.
Harris isn’t claiming a mandate.
Historically when people vote in higher numbers we end up with Democratic Presidents.
Or the large amount of uncounted votes
