• Dojan@lemmy.world
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    Gods, this is so accurate. A part of me wish we could just isolate the U.S. for a bit, because I’d be curious to see how that’d affect the discourse in the rest of the world. The rise of the far right and Trump legitimately being voted in as president legitimised the far-right movements in my country as well. Last election people were literally pushing for the stop-and-frisk BS to become a thing here.

    I hate that I know what stop-and-frisk even is.

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    Sounds like Europeans need to step up on being a dumpster fire if they want as much coverage as us. Be the change you want to see in the world!

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      Google tells me there’s like 332 million people in the US and like 750 million in Europe. I get that they’re different countries, but different states here might as well be.

      Are there posts Europeans make that I’m just not seeing (beyond complaints like this one), or is there something else that keeps them from posting and upvoting the content they apparently want to see in places like world news?

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          Possible I missed something, but nothing I see in the world news rules about posting in languages that aren’t English. My (admittedly small) point is that nothing prevents Europeans dominating these spaces apart apparent apathy and disinterest.

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            but nothing I see in the world news rules about posting in languages that aren’t English

            Isn’t it pretty obvious? If literally any European posted news in their native language, outside of the Brits and the Irish, it would be literally incomprehensible to 80-90% of the continent.

            Not to mention (proceeds to mention) the problem that we don’t care about each other’s internal politics and don’t know enough about their context to follow them. People might follow the EU topics and the large-scale shitfests such as Brexit, French protests and of course the Russo-Ukrainian war. But that’s it.

            E.g. I just realised that my country borders six other countries and I can’t name the current PM/president of two of them. (for somewhat excusable reasons, but regardless of that it’s not a good look)

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              At the risk of digging myself an ever deeper hole, then…why complain? I wouldn’t ask, but I see this complaint like every few weeks or so. If it literally can’t be a thing because of how Europe is, why blame America?

              We do enough like real stupid shit people can be mad at us about. This one doesn’t seem like it’s on us.

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                Good question, though this was my first comment in the chain, I personally wasn’t complaining (yet).

                To be honest, I’ve just checked the “Top Day” sorting of /c/world@lemmy.world, and the news are all about non-USA topics. So in hindsight I guess OP was just doing the usual “lol self-centred Americans” dunking. It is a fact that American news have pushed out the other countries’ news from the default news sub on reddit and here (or more likely the system was just replicated on Lemmy by default during the migration), so it’s a sort of folklore reaction… :D

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                  I’m probably just approaching this wrong overall. I think it’d be interesting to see more non-US posts in places like world news, and it’s not that hard for me to run non-English posts through a translator to get the gist of them.

                  This is probably a terrible place to express it, and I’m probably being obtuse, but I want to see that in addition to posts like this complaint. I would read that. I would upvote that.

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              As someone who lived in Europe for a bit, it seems like one reason for that is that, no matter who wins, the swings are smaller. No matter who wins in the elections, there don’t tend to be dramatic policy shifts. European politics often have multiple parties, with some parties containing complete nutters, but because those nutters are not in the main parties, the main parties are more similar.

              In addition the US is the only remaining superpower, so US politics has a big impact on every European country, probably not as much as all their neighbors combined, but maybe more than any one of those neighbors on their own.

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          Exactly, different states still have their country as common ground. Most Europeans identify with their nationality first, and as a European second.

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              Yeah I don’t know any Americans that don’t do this. Like I get it, I don’t like us either, but going from Colorado to Texas is more jarring to me than going from France to Germany.

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                going from Colorado to Texas is more jarring to me than going from France to Germany.

                Yes, going from “foreign place where I don’t speak the language” to “foreign place where I don’t speak the language” isn’t jarring because it’s all very foreign. But, the differences between France and Germany are objectively huge compared to the differences between Colorado and Texas.

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                  …I do speak the language in one of the two, but thanks for the shitty assumption. That it’s more jarring for me between two states is my own subjective opinion. It’s almost like there’s more to culture than language.

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                This is ridiculous. This is why Europeans think we’re so stupid and insular, and they’re right.

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            If I remember correctly, most Europeans identifiy first with their city, then with their country and third with the EU…

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            People in North America identified with their colony/state first, and the United States second back in the 1700s. Give it time…

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          Different states in the early 1800s might be like different European countries are today. But, today, states have a lot less power, and people generally think of themselves as American first.

          In addition, European countries speak different languages. That severely limits the common ground you share with neighbouring countries.

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              Yeah, European countries have histories going back a thousand years or more. While there’s going to be some shared history in border regions (often they swapped back and forth between countries depending on who was strong and who was weak), there’s a lot of differences between them that are pretty deep seated.

              If those countries shared a common language the cultures would tend to blend over time. When they speak different languages that process is a lot slower.

              IMO the differences between major US cities are smaller than the differences between any given city and the rural areas surrounding that city.

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            Even then, different states in the early 1800s had more or less the same history/origins (colonists that arrived relatively recently)

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        I get that they’re different countries, but different states here might as well be.

        ^ This guy Articles of Confederation.

        (Seriously, the European Union basically has the same kind of structure now as the United States did between 1776 and 1789.)

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      Europeans still don’t have enough population, money, or influence to change the status quo.

      English is the issue. There are only about 80M people who speak English as a first language in Europe, out of 0.8 billion or so. Yeah, plenty of people who are relatively fluent in English participate in English social media, but many also spend a lot of time in social media in their own language, something English-speakers never see.

      The Fediverse has a pretty big German-speaking population, but not as much French, Italian, Spanish, etc. I don’t know where they are – probably Facebook / Instagram.

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    This is so accurate you could use it as a scope to shoot a fly from a rat ass all the way from across the next town.

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    American local news cycles from city to county to state to national, and then starts over again.

    American national news is just one outrage after another.

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      American local news cycles from city to county to state to national, and then starts over again.

      And virtually never international, unless there’s a strong US angle.

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    ITT Europeans once again acting like American politics don’t affect them in any way.

    Anyone else think it’s funny that Britain got Boris around the same time America got trump?

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      Just because we have a huge cultural effect doesn’t mean europeans want to be drowned out by our issues, some relatable and some unique.

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      It’s not like news is just politics. Today a helicopter (yeah yeah, it was an Osprey, not a regular helicopter, whatever) with a bunch of US soldiers crashed in Australia and I can read about it in German and French news, this most certainly doesn’t affect me at all.

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      The reason you see a right shift in many countries is because more people are feeling left behind. Also, people build conservative echo chambers online that reinforce certain arguments regardless of your nationality. So it is no surprise that right wing rhetoric is on the rise in many places.

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          because these people use the right words to convince the people feeling left behind that they will care for them and make their lifes better.

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            In other words, make promises and tell them what they want to hear, while telling them you hate the same people they do.

            Then go do whatever the hell you want, and keep telling your followers you’re helping them.

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          Because living felt better in the past.

          That’s the root of conservatism. And yeah, it does devolve to “my dick wasn’t limp, my tits didn’t sag, my knees didn’t hurt, and I was ignorant enough to not see the problems I see clearly now”.