President Volodymyr Zelensky left the White House early without signing a mineral deal with the United States following a heated exchange with President Donald Trump on Feb. 28.
Zelensky departed in his motorcade around 1:45 p.m. local time, without holding a joint news conference scheduled for later in the day, after the two leaders got into a heated argument while speaking with journalists in the Oval Office.
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CNN reported that following the exchange, Zelensky and Trump left to separate rooms, with the Ukrainian delegation wanting to continue talks with the Trump administration.
Trump later ordered his officials to tell the Ukrainian officials to leave the White House, despite protest from the Ukrainian delegation.
Europe, don’t count on America for shit. Do what needs to be done before Ukraine is wiped from the map. They will come for you too.
The U.S. are no longer the leaders of the free world. It’s up to Europe now. The U.S. is a fucking shithole.
The U.S. are no longer the leaders of the free world.
Frankly, most of the time that was said it was said by Americans and the rest of us just smiled and nodded politely.
Fair enough. It’s up to the E.U. now.
Let’s see if they’re going to get off their ass, or if they’ll just try appeasement again.
EU governments were completely happy letting it be the case as well. Don’t act like they were doing much to try and reduce their reliance on US aid.
Yeah, so? They were willing to play along as long as America was reasonably well behaved about it. That was the unspoken bargain of America’s Cold War and post-Cold War international influence - they got to have plenty of soft power, and in exchange they got to play out their World Police fantasy.
Now that’s going to be going away.
and the rest of us just smiled and nodded politely while nervously eyeing the gigantic stick America was waving around.
America was only ever the “leader” of the free world because no other country wanted to bother with going up against their military. They have bases all over the world. Politely nodding was considered a small price to pay for not being targeted by them.
But this current administration has proved that politely nodding won’t keep a target off of your back. So now, countries have started rethinking their attitudes towards those American military bases.
Yeah most Americans don’t realize we’ve been slowly losing our Hegemony in world power since the world was well rebuilt after World War 2. But even I thought we had another few decades before we just shit the bed.
As an American, I’ve been more overtly disagreeing with the idiots saying this stuff.
It’s always been that way
I find it sad that the only thing the typical American is concerned with is the price of gas. It makes me realize that the whole concept of “never again” is unrealistic, because people will always be unapologetically selfish and will refuse to learn from history. I really really hope I’m wrong.
We will hopefully do that, but it’s also up to the American citizens to finally put up a proper resistance. One of the most worrying things to me is how indifferent the majority of Americans seem to be to their country turning fascist and betraying its allies. There were some protests sure, but they’re ridiculously tiny compared to protests in even much smaller countries like Georgia. It’s time to wake the fuck up before power has fully been consolidated and there’s no way back. Europe may be able to stand alone against Russia, but against Russia and the US will be tough.
I lost confidence in the American public. The egos that are displayed on TV and social media has brainwashed everyone. It’s infuriating to see it all.
About 35% of Georgia’s population lives in Tbilisi. The second largest population center is is Batumi at around 6%. There are 360km between them.
The Los Angeles metro area is America’s largest population center at around 5% of the population. The DC metro area is the 7th largest at just under 2% of the population. There are 4300km between them.
This is on top of the car centric sprawl of US cities with minimal public transportation. If (even generously) 30% of the population wanted a unified protest, how would they reach each other? Let alone converge to protest at somewhere that matters.
Oh, come on. There are still cities with millions of people, where hundreds of thousands could easily get together to protest. Cities double the population size of the entire country of Georgia. There were much larger protests e.g. in DC under the first Trump administration but this time it’s too much of a bother?
That was after 4 years of unrest. “Could easily get together” sounds like its coming from someone who’s never had a daily 2 hour round-trip driving commute. Let alone the fact that half of America was sub 0°F (-17°C) for multiple days in the past month.
Protest size will grow as the weather warms up and the crackdowns fully begin. But don’t expect to see much on the news. This time around the media and tech moguls have all preemptively bent the knee.
You’ve answered the question of why America doesn’t protest, but maybe not in the way you think you have
Think whatever you want but I’m pretty tired of this weird ass foreign political exceptionalism. Why do the residents of Moscow not get shit for weak protests against Putin? Because America is far closer to that situation than other smaller countries facing a weaker central authority. But sure, just keep telling us to go burn the Reichstag…
Pretty easy to say “just get out and protest” when your local police don’t have armored cars and grenade launchers.
American here, we are a shit country with shit people. Good luck and please liberate us from the fascists when it really hits the fan.
I find it interesting that some people think that this war doesn’t, or will not, concern them. Because it absolutely might and it will.
Americans are cowards for letting Russia take over their country
Murica died with a whimper!
We’re dying by a type of asphyxiation caused by sniffing our own farts for almost a hundred years.
It died with the sound of Putin’s balls being gurgled by Republicans
The greatest bigly whimper
Hard to dispute.
Thank the senile Joe Biden for that.
No
Can someone tip me in on why Trump insists on sucking Putin’s pee pee?
The wording is so insane to me. Like he was just begging to sign that deal. lol
There’s no way he was going to sign it. He didn’t come to the US to sign it. He came here to negotiate into a reasonable deal for both countries. This headline makes it sound like he lost out, and he really didn’t. Like, sure, we could have swooped in and helped Ukraine a little more, but in return we would get billions, maybe even trillions in return… It’s literally war profiteering out in the open.
That kind of shit used to be illegal and now we have Presidents televising his profiteering… This timeline is fucking nuts.
US assurance means as much as Russian assurance anyways, and US is known to go back on deals they themselves proposed and signed like what they are doing to Canada. So if the US isn’t even making a good faith attempt at a deal they likely wouldn’t stick to in order to protect Ukraine it just shows how corrupt negotions were from the start.
that is why it is important for smaller countries to join up to form something like EU and etc. so as to function like a big country.
Ukraine’s mineral resources really aren’t even that considerable on a global scale. They’re not insignificant but their economic value at the moment, even setting aside the war, doesn’t have American companies salivating.
This minerals for protection thing apparently was floated by Ukraine first to the Biden administration and Trump campaign. The Biden administration didn’t do much with it because, among other things, the actual economic and practical value was questionable.
Trump, on the other hand, just wants to be seen making deals. Zelenskyy and Ukraine first floated the general idea because they knew Trump is highly transactional and it’d give Trump an easy “win.”
I highly doubt trillions in profits are anywhere in the mix.
And you don’t want to negotiate anything with Trump directly. If Zelenskyy did that intentionally, he dropped the ball. Trump is far too mercurial and often only grasps issues in the most basic of senses. Trying to get into a nuts and bolts negotiation with him is pointless. Hammer that out first, get something signable without too onerous of long term commitments, compliment him, sign, move on.
So there’s a huge deposit between Mariupol and Donetsk, which is in Russian controlled territory. It’s probably the easiest to mine and most economically viable… I think that was the original plan Zelensky was thinking. Get some American mining infrastructure there and then thr US has skin in the game.
Trump seems to have a survey of the entire countries rare earth resources and is just taking the entire estimated value and splitting in half. Which as you pointed out is stupid, because a lot of the deposits are smaller or would be much more expensive to mine.
I think this is why Putin also was quick to mention cooperating with the USA on minerals in Russia (which from his POV includes those regions). I’m sure Zelenskyy/Ukraine would want to try to use that as leverage but I don’t think Trump bites.
There are some substantial reserves of various minerals elsewhere but not sure how viable and valuable they really are.
You mean in Ukraine? There are tons of other stuff to mine and even some rare earth outside of controlled area… It just is probably less profitable to mine. Here is a map
Ukraine’s mineral resources really aren’t even that considerable on a global scale.
Give me $10,000, because you know, on a global scale it’s not a lot of money, so you shouldn’t worry about handing it over to me. /s
For some people, $10,000 is a lot. A metric like “global scale” is so… Fuck, I can’t even think of a word. Assholic. You’re an asshole for using a word like that to describe this situation like it’s no big deal.
“Give me $10,000, because you know, on a global scale it’s not a lot of money, so you shouldn’t worry about handing it over to me.”
Hello strawman, someone put this ridiculous statement in a logic 101 course textbook. I mean, dafuq are you on about?
You see, it is a ridiculous statement. Which is why I’m bewildered that you were dumb enough to say it in the first place and you don’t see the sheer irony of calling what I said a strawman argument but not your own.
It’s like you don’t live in reality.
By god. I mean. Wow. Oof.
I am in no way (edit: nor have I ever even implied) devaluing Ukraine to mean that their only value is mineral resources. Why you concluded that is beyond me and baffling. Literally.
Ukrainians are certainly worth much, much than those resources in my view. Let’s say Ukraine’s natural resources literally magically disappeared overnight. So what? They still deserve justice and then some and we should protect democracies when and where possible.
Regardless, spinning minerals into some conspiracy theory with the USA extracting phantom trillions doesn’t advance Ukraine’s cause.
Dude I try to be polite here for its own sake but go touch some grass.
I am in no way (edit: nor have I ever even implied) devaluing Ukraine to mean that their only value is mineral resources.
That’s interesting, because that’s not what I implied at all. Keep digging though. I have faith you’ll catch it eventually. I’ll give you a hint;
Ukraine’s mineral resources really aren’t even that considerable on a global scale. They’re not insignificant but their economic value at the moment, even setting aside the war, doesn’t have American companies salivating.
See it yet? The strawman that you yourself used, I used back at you in a different context that you were able to correctly identify as a strawman but called mine bad but still think yours is good? lol
lmao you’re just smashing dunning kruger my dude. If you have an actual point just come out and say it. You’re trying to bend logical fallacies in a way that doesn’t work and starts to veer towards narcissism.
TBH, I think you know you started out on a foundation of absurd bullshit and now painted in a corner you’re just lashing out, hoping that you can intimidate people by blatantly misusing arguements.
You’re welcome to try to prove me wrong
I bet he chose to leave but Trump couldn’t handle the Truth.
That’s what the article says. Zelensky wanted to continue negotiations.
There are things the US has that they cannot get from the EU. If there would ever be a deal that would be the basis.
The Kremlin dictates U.S. policy.
The whole world sees it including the American people who clearly don’t care.
The majority of American voters have shown us who they are evil garbage.
Honestly, I’ve always refused to believe that “most” people are anything (ie., dumb, evil, etc). I But if does put things in question for me that so many people voted for Trump.
Putin’s arm is so far up the orange shitbag’s ass that you cam see the fingers waggle eveytime he opens his mouth
Mark my words: Trump will now sign a minerals deal in Ukraine with Putin
Trump and Vance are total imbeciles. Fucking toddlers are more coherent.
Just when you thought you couldn’t get any more embarrassed being an American.
This is a great window into how Trump, Vance and MAGA do business.
Bully. Yell. Lie. Threaten.
Vance is the most cringe here. I swear if old age gets to Trump in the next four years Vance will do more damage to the American reputation that can be salvageable in the next decade or more.
I watched this and I found it disgusting. It seemed to me that this was pure blackmail. This American government can’t be trusted to keep its commitments and I won’t be surprised if he pulls such stunts with Taiwan as well.
I wonder if any other world leader would like to visit the White House and be insulted by this administration !!
France should gift a bunch of nukes to Ukraine. Seriously the EU lacks the manufacturing capacity to properly arm Ukraine without US deliveries and keep their own stockpiles at an adequate levels.
Europe should call ruzi bluff with immediate boots on the ground pushing ruzkies back to the border. Secure the airspace and fucking fry the orcs. Done with minimal european casualties.
Everyone’s pissing in the boot while Europe suffers economic and cultural damage that will indirectly kill many more people than a swift defense would have.
This is how WW3 starts.
No, that’s how it’s prevented. Putin cannot endure a united Europe entering the fray.
Possibly, but unlikely. There is a more likely scenario:
If the Russia wins in Ukraine and manages to take over the whole country, it will be emboldened and will attack another country quite soon. Maybe we will let the Russia have that country as well, after which the Russia will attack once another country. Each time it will be more experienced and stronger. At some point we’ll decide we have to stop the Russia, and then we’re likely to have WW3.
Putin is a master of bluff. But a funny thing is that that’s the only thing he’s good at. And that’s the only thing he does. Which means that we know that everything he ever claims is always bluff. He is very afraid of taking actual decisions, and any red lines he claims to have are all just bluff. He won’t react to anything.
The only way to escalate with the Russia is to be inactive. The more inactivity you show, the more the Russia feels safe to attack. The more activity you show against the Russia, the less it dares to act.
It scares me that people fail to understand this. Look, no one is suggesting that Americans, or other NATO countries should put their “boots on the ground” in the Ukraine war. But fuck, give them all the weapons they need asap. Stop being a bunch of pussies in deciding whether to give weapons to Ukraine or not. If they had gotten all the weapons they needed sooner, there’s a good chance this war would have been over.
For a guy who said he’s not gonna start any wars, he sure is acting like a guy who’s gonna start a war.
I have never been more ashamed to be an American, and have felt like I’m saying this increasingly often. This dude is a man of his people coming to hope and keep aid to be able to fight Putin and these dudes ridiculed and heckled him. They were giving him shit for not wearing a suit. Fucking assholes. Anyone who keeps up knows that’s for good reason. He’s showing solidarity with the soldiers, his citizens, that are fighting for their god damned homes and families. This deal was never going to go. It was a setup for Trump and Vance to stroke their pathetic micro penis egos. Fucking disgraceful.
It’s people sitting there that just a year ago condemned Russia, but now since Putin bought the little goblin emperor or seduced him or whatever, all sycophant now turn their coat to secure a spot in his fascist dictatorship.
People will soon start to be killed and hunted and if you are not ready it will be hell. You can never know if the narcissist mythomaniac in the god emperor position chooses an attribute you have for eradication. Nobody can be safe. He may slay his own staff or innocents at any moment. You can not be safe until you reacquire your union from this insane death cult. Rise, or if not at least gtfo while you can. Mark my words, soon, people will start to die. We can know this from how unphased the self proclaimed genius is when zel mentions the kids being raped, and nothing is said about it being wrong. At all nothing wrong with invading breaking international war crimes, obviously letting soldiers ransack, rape, and compulsively against his now meaningless signature breaking ceasefire, within hours. With hate in his heart and an iron grip on his people he too is a bruised ego that transformed into a psychopath warlord lacking humanity the last hope of which he lost decades ago.
And how quickly the sycophants all fall in line, unanimously showing zero respect for the slaughtered children and soldiers. Not even a single sycophant in the room reacts when zel points out that they are defending their homeland. They are not the aggressor. The god emperor never speaks ill of the aggressor. He makes his choice clear. He is extorting zel with his ability to reduce weapon support. Then he says zel plays with ww3. It’s typical cluster b narcissistic destructive psychosis. It’s openly they show they want to cultivate their oligarchy and become a dictatorship. They even do not hide it. But they do try to make a little theatre. They have shut down all ability to reflect.
The sick emperor has a weaker grasp of his own language. The manchild emperor doesn’t even understand his obligation to defend the baltics, or probably even where they are. He doesn’t understand what zel is saying. He replies with poorly written messages meaning nothing meant only to boost and pretend he is responsible for everything good even small petty obviously fabricated claims. he chooses he has done or thought out, and proudly shuts of his own ability to reflect on any failure cementing his ignorance and frustratingly meager capability to grasp real reality. Everything he fails is a misunderstanding. He randomly spouts a year to look educated on the conflict. To the man leading his country that is being attacked. About when the first attack came. It is so bizarrely evil and dangerous that you let this mentally ill decide the fate of so many while blaming the victims themselves. It is insane. The disgusting emperor even can not figure out after so many years that the terrorist warlord he has been seduced by and became a fan of, has been killing and plans to kill anyone in his way, using war crimes and other insane weapons despite promising not to. He thinks he will be in the oligarchy, a part of the 10 people that is in the dictatorship. He will not. Because he is easy to fool.
So embarrassing, yeah, but also, in the meantime cruise missiles are continually falling, and the only one that can stop that is fucking usa air defense or the psychopath himself and they chose to not speak ill of the killers even for a second, but lambasts zel for insane shit such as not saying thanks, when he has said it several times.
It was political ambush. A theatrical performance of poorest quality. The senile dictator has only pure childish fear inside. A fear of becoming irrelevant. This drives him to clinical mythomania. Please be careful and stay safe.
He should fly to Brussels to discuss Europe’s offer. They won’t tell him repeatedly that he should be more thankful.
Fuck the USA! There, I said it! Fuck the whole country, the people that voted for that fucking bully and fuck the people that didn’t vote for him but let this happen!
Fuck you all!!
I want to be clear this is the doing of Republicans in America they are evil.
It’s gonna be interesting watching to see if all the “All Russian people are complicit because they don’t rise up and kick Putin out” crowd actually put their money where their mouths are and show them how it’s done, or if it was all bluster.
To be clear, I hope it’s the former but I think it’s the latter.
Honestly, we – as Americans – are all complicit.
Then do something about it. If you’re still too hesitant or worried to show up to protests, then from Europe with love: Fuck you, go to hell.
There really aren’t many protests.
As an American who didn’t make that mistake, I heartily agree.
If you were one who lived in USA and didn’t vote for him, what would you do to not “let this happen”?
As a naturalized American, you have every right to say so.
What is even worse than how embarrassing this is, is that it’s impossible for me to tell if this was Putin’s idea or just a fortunate side effect of his stooge’s lead-addled and dying brain.
Americans, I expect you to fight rhis bully.
Please, grow a fkin pair and start fighting back. You don’t want to be regretting your lack of fighting back while you can.
Rage against rhe machine please.
How? Like tell us how. You want us to try and kill people in the streets? Or maybe continue with the protests that are happening? You want us to civil war? I’m just waiting for how us Americans can take out Trump and the republican party. And before you answer look at your country and population and size and compare it to the united states before you say just grow a pair, you can come and suicide yourself trying to take on a assassination attempt if you want, maybe you grow a pair. So if you dont have a real solid plan for how,I don’t wanna hear shit from you
Problem is most of us are under personal attack, so we don’t have the ability or energy to fight for others. And since the personal attacks are of a potentially violent or otherwise life threatening nature rather than simply a political one, it means many of us can’t afford to stand up.
That assumes most Americans are against what Trump is doing which is not the case based on election results. And unlike the civil war for slavery its not like opposing sides are neatly divided by regions this time around either.
It’s more like a random mixture of differing sides living side by side, so rage against the machine would end up looking more like neighbors carrying out reenacting their favorite moments from the Purge movies and just what looks like indiscriminate mass murder between civilians. Not even state vs state.
He won the election. He destroyed the Democrats. More than half the country voted for him. This is what they wanted. You might not like it but you’re gonna have to accept that even though the majority of Lemmy and Reddit agree with you, you’re still the minority compared to the rest of the country. You’re telling us to fight back against this president that you don’t like. Be the change you want to see. Change the minds of everyone around you.
A German before WWII wouldn’t change a word. Shame.
That’s not an argument dipshit hit us with your competent plan to turn this around and we’ll join behind you but all you’ve offered is derision and haughty quips.
That’s not for me to say, I’ve never been to the US (fortunately). But I can think of a few option.
Massive strikes, for weeks. Boycots. Protests. Violence. Courage.
I’m portuguese. Go check our revolution in 1974, my father was part of it. It is possible if you want, people actually have the power.
Maybe start trying instead of insulting and being defensive. Like I care if you offend me on the internet.
That’s an actual argument though not at all a plan, yes we all hope things turn around, talking shit on the Internet from your high horse isn’t productive and you’re more likely to turn people off of what you’re saying then turn them onto it.
Maybe start trying instead of insulting and being defensive.
I didn’t stay the insulting and offensive behavior, you did.
Like I care if you offend me on the internet.
You can be high horse javi or you can be crybaby carl, it’s very weird to try to be both.
Now let’s look into the Portuguese revolution there’s been like 6 and mmm maybe 4 in the last hundred or so years. Let’s give you the benefit of a doubt and say you might be old enough your parent was in either the 1910 or 1974 revolution.
74 also called the carnation revolution, mostly non violent which is kinda dope. Any idea where they got the carnation idea? I do, it was the 1967 March on the Pentagon and one of the most famous protest photos of all time. Now this sounds great but it’s a bit hidden behind the two decades of colonial civil war prior to the revolution. So we’re exactly 19 years and like 320 days ahead of that schedule.
Let’s take a look at 1910, again the prelude being colonial civil war and this time one they lost and were made to retreat by the English in 1890. So that’s 30 years of strife and internal wars so again we’re 29 years and about 320 days ahead of schedule on that one too.
Tell me how we speed run this thing since we don’t have colonies to send into civil war che.
Hey, you win. I’m not discussing the history of my country with you. You’re clearly very smart, very good at checking Wikipedia.
That point where you believe the “Carnation idea” came from the US is so american - you guys really think you’re the center of the world. Get your facts straight, Wikipedia sometimes isn’t enough. In case you’re interested, the lady who sold the first carnation flowers (that were then used, reminding of your 67 thing) probably didn’t even know how to read, it was an organic movement. She died this year, in case you wanna read about her. Of course, we gotta thank the US, because our revolution wouldn’t have happened if we couldn’t insipire ourselves on the almighty godly smart Americans.
My father participated, yes - I don’t care if you believe it or not, he was 20 at the time. He was sent to the TV Station near Porto to avoid it being taken over by the government (propaganda). He had just returned from a war he didn’t want to fight against the liberation movement of the colonies, in Mozambique.
Just sit and wait for the next elections that might never come. And in the meanwhile, come here and insult people who are scared of what your country might do to Europe.
I’m out mate. A bit of humbleness would do you good, but I’m afraid your head is too deep in the sand for you to realize that. No point answering cause you’ll be left alone.
Good thing you don’t need to read to understand a photograph that was literally everywhere because of how powerful it was.
Again, not helpful just preachy. Your country had civil war or colonial uprising for 50 out of a hundred years. We all have our issues and we’re trying to solve them, this high horsed bullshit really isn’t helping anything. You don’t have any actual ideas about how to solve it you just have haughty quips and weird self righteousness.
No one asked you to be in mate. As it would you, help out instead of talking shit.
That’s all they have, They sit behind a keyboard raging at the world because things aren’t the way they want. All that energy would be better placed in looking for solutions.
The Democrats destroyed themselves. Constructed opposition at best. Shamefully inept at worst.
“Heated exchange”.
What are they talking about?? An exchange requires at least two participants. Zelenskyy was trying to keep it cool while Trump and Vance (mainly Trump) just spoke over him. That wasn’t a heated exchange, it was a fucking loser having a tantrum while others watched, not quite believing what they were seeing. Having Trump keep talking about Zelenskyy basically being responsible for his citizens dying and bullets flying etc made me sick. The absolute lack of compassion from this orange twerp is incredible. What a cunt.
