• null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    2·
    1 hour ago

    I’ts possible to acknowledge that Democrats Suck while simultaneously acknowledging that electing one was the only chance to avoid a Trump presidency.

  • lefaucet@slrpnk.net
    15·
    3 hours ago

    You must be on some weird ass instance. I see tons of reasonable anger at democrats and Republicans alike. I don’t see upvotes for baseless tribal click bait like this tho

    • Grapho@lemmy.ml
      4·
      3 hours ago

      Nah, post something to /c/memes saying the US is a fascist nation and has been so for decades, it’s upvotes galore.

      Imply the democrats have anything to do with it, and suddenly what’s the time in Moscow, how does Xi’s dick taste like, yadda yadda

  • pineapple@lemmy.mlEnglish
    2·
    2 hours ago

    The problem with American democracy is the voting system. A party that isn’t either thre democrats or the republicans will never win because people know if they vote for anything else there vote will be pointless.

    America needs preferential voting but will never implement it because it would mean the two party system will be demolished (which is in neither of the two party’s best interest.)

    • Geobloke@lemm.ee
      1·
      2 hours ago

      It’s not just that. It’s that politicians get to pick the voters through voter purges,gerrymandering, I’d requirements etc.

  • WraithGear@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3·
    3 hours ago

    I mean, i usually get modest upvotes when i talk about this sort of thing. I believe if we actually want to stop this fall into authoritarianism, our first step is to take control of the Democratic Party. How do you do that? Don’t vote for Neo liberals and ignore everyone who cries that unless you vote blue no matter who the republicans will win. That obviously doesn’t work, and democrats work against leftist policies. They whole time leading up to the election it was all “now is not the time” well i played their game and lost. Now it’s time.

  • Cadenza@lemmy.world
    11·
    6 hours ago

    Well everybody already knows that. Like… The power dynamics of “vote lesser evil, vote for minority candidate, vote for a compromising pseudo-progressive party because it’s still something, abstain and stay pure, better face true fascists than traitors, etc.” has been around since representative regimes emerged. Yet everyone has to find his/her political and moral stance in this shitshow. And answers will differ, sometimes for legitimate reasons, sometimes because of total bs. That’s all there is to it and it’s not exactly news.

    • CreativeShotgun@lemmy.world
      3·
      3 hours ago

      As a trans person i am currently eating shit for breakfast every day to protect myself, my friends, and humanity. Lesser evil is starting to look like “not being murdered” sometimes

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
    21·
    9 hours ago

    Running a feckless campaign that refused to break with Biden’s admin on genocide is why we got this living hell. And running the most unlikeable woman in the country in 2016 is what made 2024 even a possibility.

    Dems have fucked up terribly.

    • vonbaronhans@midwest.social
      8·
      7 hours ago

      That about sums it up.

      I’ll vote Democrat as long as the alternative is fascism.

      But fuck me, I’d love to vote for something else. And I’ll be honest, I have no idea how we get anything better.

      I hear people saying to organize, but I can’t even imagine what that takes. I wonder if most Americans feel as helpless as I do in the face of this absolute bullshit.

      • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
        6·
        7 hours ago

        I’ll vote Democrat as long as the alternative is fascism.

        Unfortunately, much of what the Democrats represent is fascism.

        • vonbaronhans@midwest.social
          3·
          6 hours ago

          Depends on what you mean by “much”? I’d argue the Democrats, on the whole, are liberals, not fascists.

          I’d certainly prefer progressives and leftists though.

          The support for Israel whole they genocide Palestine, thought… ugh. That can certainly be viewed as fascism, although where you draw the distinction between fascism and imperialism is up for debate. Not that imperialism is good either, just saying.

      • dx1@lemmy.mlEnglish
        5·
        7 hours ago

        The hard fact is that what the population votes for is what the population gets. They have completely given up their agency and just accept this impotent logic of “we’ll take whatever the most obvious/most apparently easy option is, that isn’t a Republican”. It’s a cyclical problem, the voters don’t care enough to force politicians to be good, and the politicians don’t care enough to court voters.

        • vonbaronhans@midwest.social
          5·
          5 hours ago

          At the same time, “what the population votes for is what the population gets” ignores that we are often only presented with crappy options to start with.

          Perhaps it would be more accurate to say “you get what you fight for, and if you don’t fight you get what you get.”

          I… haven’t really fought for anything. I believed the right things. I voted as best I could. But that clearly didn’t stop this.

          I want to protect my ego and say I’m not a coward. Is there a distinction to be made between cowardice and simply not knowing what to do? I don’t know. I just know I’m trying my best, but maybe that’s just not enough.

          • dx1@lemmy.mlEnglish
            2·
            4 hours ago

            At the same time, “what the population votes for is what the population gets” ignores that we are often only presented with crappy options to start with.

            It does not ignore that, rather it explicitly takes that into account.

            The caveat to my statement would ONLY be “so long as we’re using this system.”

            Please focus more on accurate logic.

  • ristoril_zip@lemmy.zipEnglish
    14·
    8 hours ago

    The Democratic Party as a whole is like milk in your fridge that’s a week past its “best by” date.

    The Republican Party is milk that a dog vomited on a Texas in July sidewalk.

    We’re drinking one of them, because no alternative is possible in the near term.

    It’s possible to vote for Democrats in 2026 and '28 and '30 and '32 while we build an alternative that can have electoral success, or takeover the Democratic Party from within or heck turn the Republican Party into a party worth supporting…

        • WoodScientist@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          3·
          4 hours ago

          At this point, we do need to burn the Democratic Party to ashes. We need to put it out of its misery and let It needs to go the way of the Whigs. Some things simply can’t be repaired.

          There have been many countries caught in this same authoritarian trap that we’re in now. And one common lesson is that you need to give up on the captured opposition if you want to have any hope of actually ending the authoritarian regime.

          Democrats are going to lose again in 2028. They’re going to yet again nominate a corporate centrist and yet again try the failed policy of appealing to Republican suburbanites. That’s all these clowns know.

          How many times do they have to lose elections before we give up on these fucking losers? They lost in 2016, they lost in 2024, and they would have lost in 2020 if it weren’t for Covid.

          The only reason to vote for Democrats is a pragmatic approach - they’re better than the alternative. But they don’t actually have that pragmatic argument anymore, and they haven’t for a long time. They’ve been completely unelectable for a decade at this point.

          They’re a party of losers. Just absolute, irredeemable losers. They are fundamentally incapable of winning a presidential election now. They just don’t have it in them.

          We need to let them go. It’s ritual self-mutilation to keep trying to prop up the dead corpse that is the Democratic party. It’s dead man. It’s time to let it go.

          • notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world
            1·
            4 hours ago

            nice, even more self-mutilation talk. lets remove the opposition without offering a viable alternative. that’ll show it to these fascist pigs…

            (i’ve lived this shit through too. it hasn’t panned out yet either)

          • notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world
            1·
            6 hours ago

            I’ve actually lived under this brand of “socialism”. Have you?

            (I think I’ve got the answer to this question)

    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
      7·
      9 hours ago

      Grassroots campaigns for small local government positions building gradual power for progressives to replace them. Do your part.

      • notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world
        1·
        4 hours ago

        ok, you win! this is by far the smartest response. everyone else is like lets tear shit down without an actual plan of replacing at the same scale.