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Why can’t we be critical of democrats by being selective in the primaries?
Because half the time they don’t have primaries and the other half they call anyone making good arguments “unelectable radicals”
Don’t just “call them”, they actively sabotage them in a way they never do with a reactionary. Labor did it to Corbyn as well, this is deeply ingrained in bourgeois “democracies”, if you can vote for somebody who will try to bring change, they’ve already fucked up a bunch of times.
Voting for genociders and pro-militarized police didn’t stop the genocide or police murdering black people, so I would count it as a very ineffective strategy as well. I rather vote for what I actually believe in than not voting because I will hell not vote for the garbage democrats.
Edit: “Protest vote” lmao, I don’t owe my vote to Democrats.
It’s the compromise for the vulnerable that most often gets brought up in this situation. A protest vote in a broken first-past-the-post election system generally helps the opposition to your vote. Republicans have demonstrated they hate the vulnerable (disabled, poor, debt-ridden) and Democrats are weak in their opposition, but if you want the help those that are vulnerable you would generally not want to subject them to Republicans, whom benefit from your protest vote.
Another argument is that if you fracture the opposition to bootlickers, the bootlickers will win.
the better argument is that our system is both intentionally keeping these groups vulnerable and, in large part, using them as bait to get you to vote the way they want you to; effectively entrapping you into this system so that you remain ignorant of the fact these same vulnerable groups are empowered and the driving force for change outside this country.
Until they realize that empowerment, there will be suffering, and it seems to be accelerationists who want that suffering to drive change. The whole point is that the system is broken in a first-past-the-post democracy.
I can tell you right now those same vulnerable people are not ready to rise up, though I wish that weren’t the case. There are people who still believe in decorum lmao.
We can talk all we want about people recognizing empowerment, but you’re also fighting entrenched propaganda campaigns that keep those same people fearful and against solidarity. Talk to any working class Fox News watching disphit.
Really until I see one of you propose, or enact, ways to counter that propaganda and lead people to understand their empowerment, ima keep doing me and trying to reduce the harm to the vulnerable people as best I can.
Mexico proved that it’s possible w/o removing the propaganda; queers, trans, students, leftists, women and indigenous people joined to together to kick out both of the liberal and conservative parties to bring in amlo & sheinbaum’s third party for the first time in over a century. Now the pri and the pan are just as irrelevant as a Republican in California or a Democrat in Texas
You’re not helping; you’re only perpetuating the harm to vulnerable people when you cooperate in the way they want you to.
The system is not broken, it is working as intended. Telling you it’s broken is so they can dangle “fixing it” in front of your face like a carrot on a stick, but it will never ever happen for as long as capitalists are allowed to run our world and make decisions for us.
You want “ways to counter that propaganda and lead people to understand their empowerment”, the answer is and always has been class consciousness and historical materialism. It starts with you. Pick up a fucking book and seek it out. Cause I’m not seeing any ideas from you either and whether we like it or not, we are all in this together.
I am sorry, but as a black man, I am supposed to be your sacrificial lamb and your fucking compromise for you for what? So you feel safe in your fucking neighborhood? I am sure that all black people and Palestinian Americans will agree when I say: “Fuck you from the bottom of my heart”
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No, no, fuck you. I mentioned how democrats use militarized police against black people and you say that is supposed to be a fucking compromise. Fuck you, you racist asshole. Fucking white liberals are the fucking worse. No wonder why both MLK and Malcolm X hated your ass.
Edit: So you believe that everyone in the internet has to be white? Of course, I wouldn’t expect less from a liberal. I am sure that I cannot be black to you because I guess that I will never fit whatever stereotype you have of us in your head.
But I will say this: Democrats increased the funding for the police substantially during the BLM protests, treated us like terrorists and threw the heads of the protests in prison. Biden favorite phrase: “We have to back our boys in blue” and proceeded to triple their budget. Democrats hate black people and they oppress us with a militarized police in our neighborhoods.
Don’t be silly dude everyone knows only white liberals are smart enough to operate a computer. Everyone else is a bot or a troll.
White tech-bro liberals have as much soul as a laptop. I’ve noticed that almost every tech bro Free Market Liberal-tarian i’ve met has aphantasia, they can’t even produce images in their heads to think.
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Bro, Biden tripled the budget of cops and you say that they are less harmful?! What is wrong with you?! “Good faith argument” with someone who automatically says that I am lying and who say that people dying should be a compromise, gotcha. My elders MLK, Malcolm X and the Black Panthers have all said that Democrat sucks and the only way forward is socialism. I am going to listen to them instead of you trying to whitesplain to me why Democrats are the best my community got.
Edit: They all died fighting for socialism, not for milquetoast liberties granted in fascism like the ones we get under democrats.
Lol, never takes much to make blueMAGA fascists take the mask off
whom benefit from your protest vote.
Who*
Their generally decent goals of bombing children in Afghanistan, bombing people in Palestine, starving children in Yemen, starving children in Cuba, starving children in Venezuela, caging children in the US, torturing people in Guantanamo, bombing children in Yugoslavia, and so on? The bill that resulted in the mass enslavement of the US population (highest prison pop. in the world by far) was passed by the Clinton administration, written by Biden.
Are they only powerful enough to do monstrous shit or do they think you’re stupid and will buy their hand wringing? They could have forced through Medicare, deliberately chose not to. They could have codified reproduction rights, deliberately chose not to. They’re fucking telling you which issues they care about, it’s the ones that they actually pass.
You are not wrong. My point is that dictator trump and his cronies will pave over the bones of Palestinians and turn Gaza into a Trump resort. Strip the rights of all non-christians, minorities, women, and lgbt in America(and this is just citizens!). Take away the only public service for healthcare, meager that it is. We will see nothing but negative progress and monstrous acts from this admin. Monstrous in a far more sinster and evil way than ever before.
My point is that dictator trump and his cronies will pave over the bones of Palestinians and turn Gaza into a Trump resort.
So far, Trump has been slightly better than the Democrats on Gaza, but because democrat supporters refused to acknowledge how bad it was when it was Democrats doing it, they don’t realise.
well I hope that if you come out of this you come out with a better electoral system I’ll say that
Democrats suck and are ineffectual at accomplishing their (generally decent) goals.
Genocide apologia
Why can’t we be critical of democrats by being selective in the primaries?
lol even when you try to do this Pelosi will push the thumb on the scale to get Cuellar, one of the shittiest Democrats (and that’s really saying something) reelected over challenger Jessica Cisneros. Or you can even win the primary and then the state party will allow you to languish because you’re a working class demsoc instead of a trusted middle-manager of capital. The Dems need people like Cuellar, Sinema, and Manchin so that whenever they have a majority they can still sit around and do fucking nothing until the Republicans come in and shift everything further rightward. Dems love this. Ratchet effect is real. Fuck the Democratic Party. At least the Republicans are honest about how much they hate us.
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The Democratic Party on the whole is captured by the donor class as a direct result of Citizens United. This has led to the hollowing out of the grassroots movements that are necessary for a large coalition of diverse interests to compete against the oligarchic cabal that makes up the GOP. This decimated the rank and file operatives that used networking within their communities to create political action and replaced it with endless fundraising emails, even as the primary process was corrupted (Hillary v Bernie, Biden v Bernie) to remove clout from the progressive wing of the party.
This led to the disillusionment of many Democratic voters that they have any say in the nomination process (the last time we had a real primary was Obama 2008 - almost 20 years ago), and the result is a slate of weak centrist candidates that for the most part play lip service to liberal cultural issues while blocking any real progressive economic progress.
The purpose of the Democratic Party apparatus as it exists in 2025 America is to capture and dilute revolutionary energy, so that people don’t take to the streets and demand real change. Yes, there are some independents and good folks within the Democratic Party trying to make a change (AOC, Jasmine Crocket) but the power players (Pelosi, Schumer, Jeffries) are still refusing to stand up to the overt fascist takeover of our country.
The system as it exists will not change, and without change, we’re barreling into a fascism induced depression and possible civil war that will likely ravage the planet.
You would think committing a genocide would’ve settled the whole “lesser evil” thing, but the Blue MAGA cult insists there’s a way to commit lesser evil genocide now.
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The problem with people with like you is you listen to what the Dems say they’re doing, and don’t bother to confirm what Dems are actually doing. It’s why you’re all terrified of Trump’s immigration policies, and have no clue that Obama & Biden deported way more people.
You’re in a cult.
Does the way in which they are deported matter?
Is it better when they target people who are undocumented and provably so vs just checking out everyone tanner than a Mainer in the winter?
Do you see a difference between the specific policies of the two administrations?
Youre going to keep doing this lesser evil bit until the dems have you seig heiling while the republicans drain your blood for the ritual to begin Armageddon.
Hold up. You believe the Dems & GOP are swapping out frontline ICE and CBP agents during power transitions?
No, I think the administrators on top are switched and they give different marching orders. They enforce policy differently based on who is in the Oval office and that administration’s decisions. That is why there is a difference in how these deportations were carried out.
Do you think the top agents determine policy for an agency?
This is why no one takes Dem voters seriously. Y’all believe the press releases matter more than the material actions.
Battered spouse syndrome
the only voters that aren’t taken seriously in the USA are leftists and if you doubt that for a second please point out the progressive party that controls anything in this shithole.
My whole point is the material actions of the two administrations do differ. Trump is targeting anyone not white whereas Biden at least targeted people with legal violations. One policy puts all immigrants in fear while the other theoretically should not.
The fact that you can’t see the difference isn’t something I can help you with.
Now this fucking guy is on .ml too?
lol
Obama and Biden said they’d legalize weed. They didn’t. They failed to put abortion rights into the constitution. I mean I can go on these are just off the top of my head.
They are not immune to legit criticism, however it seems like people get the idea that if you criticize democrats that means you are a die hard Trumper or something…
Didn’t close gitmo. Didn’t end the war on terror. Created the same border camps democrats cry at the gates of for political points. Bailed out the perpetrators of one of this countries most high profile and damaging financial crimes because they held rich peoples stock portfolios hostage. Made pointless concessions on the ACA to republicans who never once cross the isle for even the things they want to pass because they’d rather take the credit themselves.
Those are the ones I’m pulling off the top of my head.
I mean didn’t Trump also promise that and not deliver
Nobody hates Democrats as much as Democrats do.
Nobody gets betrayed by democrats as much as democrats do.
Probably because two political parties isn’t enough to truly represent the population.
People shit talk non voters, but these are people who found no representation in the two party system. We can change this. We can have more then two political parties. To think otherwise is to think inside the world’s smallest box.
Duverger’s Law says that as long as we have this system of voting, we’re going to have two, and only two, major parties. It has changed once in history: when the Republicans replaced the Whigs. So, that’s what you’re looking at: either change the system of voting or replace one of the two parties.
Countries with more parties such as those in Western Europe are also electing fascists. The answer doesn’t lie in more parties. China has a majority party and it doesn’t get people doing the Sieg Heil
Pelosi and the DNC have hated the left more than they hate the right for a good long time, yeah.
I downvoted. Not because you criticized democrats, but because your stupid post says you get downvoted for that. No you fucking don’t. You almost always get up voted for it. This is a garbage bait post.
I’ve got more that were closer to the election when the politics community was still delusional about Democrats winning by ignoring core voter demands.
Cool. No need to look further than this post though. It’s got positive votes despite implying it should be negative. It only takes one counter-example to prove the statement wrong. It doesn’t have to be true every time.
Yeah, sometimes it’ll get downvoted, especially if you’re a dick about it. It’s not that surprising.
My comment history says otherwise. I get downvoted whenever I remind people that the Democrats are guilty of genocide.
I went digging through your comments a bit to see what you’re talking about, and no most are upvoted from what I saw. There are exceptions, like this one:
I think teaching the Democrats a lesson was worth it. They can’t commit genocide and pretend to be the lesser-evil. You can and should oppose both. I am of the personal opinion that evil hiding behind polite decorum is a greater threat than evil that doesn’t pretend to be good. You are free to disagree.
Yeah, no shit you get downvoted for stuff like this. People aren’t going to be very thankful you support their suffering being worsed. The people in Gaza also probably aren’t super happy that Trump has straight up supported the plan for genocide and taking the land.
Being critical of Democrats gets upvotes. Being a callous asshole who says Democrats “learning a lesson” (which I haven’t seen any evidence for) is worth all the suffering the Trump adm. will cause will deservedly get you downvotes.
You stopped at the first downvoted comment that confirmed your bias. Also what is your opposition to holding the Democratic Party accountable for genocide? They had 15 months to change course. They had the election cycle to get a hint and change their position. The DNC wouldn’t even allow a Palestinian American to speak at the convention. Trump and the Republicans being worse is never an excuse for genocide.
Here’s one: https://lemm.ee/post/53700851/17792640
Here’s another: https://lemm.ee/post/52746433/17573189
Another one: https://lemm.ee/post/34065555/12436103
Any comment that points out that it was the Democratic Party that allowed the genocide to happen and created the conditions for Trump to propose ethnic cleansing got downvoted. The Democratic Party could have stopped the genocide, they purposefully chose not to. You should oppose them for this not make excuses because the Republicans are going to be worse.
I’m not going to spend all day going through your comments to prove a point.
The first one is positive.
The second is zero, so probably 1 downvoted, assuming you didn’t remove your default upvote. Not really meaningful. It’s also dismissive of Trump to shift to Biden, but whatever.
The third if you notice the comment you replied to is positive and implying Biden supports genocide, so it once again proves that comments or posts that are critical of Biden or the Democrats generally get upvotes.
You have a confirmation bias. You want it to be true that comments critical of democrats are downvoted, but it isn’t. Usually they’re received positively, as long as you aren’t being an asshole.
The first one is positive.
The second is zero, so probably 1 downvoted
The third if you notice the comment you replied to is positive and implying Biden supports genocide
The only thing you’ve proven is that it is controversial enough for just as many people to upvote as have downvoted, your viewer just only shows the net result. Try viewing these in the browser for a more accurate assessment.
That’s because you have to contort the truth significantly to make that even passably correct. It is more accurate to say the democrats aren’t going to stop selling arms to Israel as very few if any are actively engaged in fighting in Palestine.
You must be on some weird ass instance. I see tons of reasonable anger at democrats and Republicans alike. I don’t see upvotes for baseless tribal click bait like this tho
Nah, post something to /c/memes saying the US is a fascist nation and has been so for decades, it’s upvotes galore.
Imply the democrats have anything to do with it, and suddenly what’s the time in Moscow, how does Xi’s dick taste like, yadda yadda
and suddenly what’s the time in Moscow
ah, now I get the Hexbear sidebar clock joke
Oof sounds bad
Liberals think Democrats aren’t half to blame for this shitty country being the way it is.
Who you calling a liberal?
The ones who get their undies twisted when we criticize Democrats.
Some liberals.
i thought it was most liberals given that the nucleus of the “both sides” argument during the election was to characterize conservatives’ bad faith arguments about both the democrats and republicans being the same when it came to ghoulish behavior.
I genuinely feel like that was a coordinated campaign to erode voter trust and motivation with some trolling thrown in on top.
Catch any single lib and ask them straight up; “Do you think both sides are the same?”
I’m not interested in what libs think about that. I already know.
Can you give me the TL:DR?
Running a feckless campaign that refused to break with Biden’s admin on genocide is why we got this living hell. And running the most unlikeable woman in the country in 2016 is what made 2024 even a possibility.
Dems have fucked up terribly.
That about sums it up.
I’ll vote Democrat as long as the alternative is fascism.
But fuck me, I’d love to vote for something else. And I’ll be honest, I have no idea how we get anything better.
I hear people saying to organize, but I can’t even imagine what that takes. I wonder if most Americans feel as helpless as I do in the face of this absolute bullshit.
I’ll vote Democrat as long as the alternative is fascism.
Unfortunately, much of what the Democrats represent is fascism.
Depends on what you mean by “much”? I’d argue the Democrats, on the whole, are liberals, not fascists.
I’d certainly prefer progressives and leftists though.
The support for Israel whole they genocide Palestine, thought… ugh. That can certainly be viewed as fascism, although where you draw the distinction between fascism and imperialism is up for debate. Not that imperialism is good either, just saying.
The hard fact is that what the population votes for is what the population gets. They have completely given up their agency and just accept this impotent logic of “we’ll take whatever the most obvious/most apparently easy option is, that isn’t a Republican”. It’s a cyclical problem, the voters don’t care enough to force politicians to be good, and the politicians don’t care enough to court voters.
At the same time, “what the population votes for is what the population gets” ignores that we are often only presented with crappy options to start with.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say “you get what you fight for, and if you don’t fight you get what you get.”
I… haven’t really fought for anything. I believed the right things. I voted as best I could. But that clearly didn’t stop this.
I want to protect my ego and say I’m not a coward. Is there a distinction to be made between cowardice and simply not knowing what to do? I don’t know. I just know I’m trying my best, but maybe that’s just not enough.
At the same time, “what the population votes for is what the population gets” ignores that we are often only presented with crappy options to start with.
It does not ignore that, rather it explicitly takes that into account.
The caveat to my statement would ONLY be “so long as we’re using this system.”
Please focus more on accurate logic.
The hard fact is that what the population votes for is what the population gets.
It really isn’t, study after study has shown that popularity has basically no effect on policy.
…the candidate the population votes for. Did you need that to say “who”?
You’re absolutely right
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As in criticizing Democrats on their merits or criticizing Democrats as equally bad as Republicans? Big difference between the two.
Let me try! Democrats who don’t support ranked choice voting are selling us out.
For real. Democrats criticizing their own politicians is as old as the modern Democrats. That’s part of the problem, everyone marches in lock step on the right and the left argues about every action their politicians take.
Have you never heard of “RINOS”? Republicans attack Republicans they don’t agree with just as hard if not harder.
The problem is, the Republican party actually rallies around what their constituents support because they know they need their base, while Democratic party expect their constituents to rally around what their leadership supports because they take their base for granted.
Democrats are not “our politicians”
I’ve never seen anyone actually say democrats are equally as bad as republicans. Ive seen a lot of legitimate criticism of democrats be framed that way.
New to the internet?
I have.
Nah. Both parties suck. Repubs damage, Dems half ass do damage control, then sit around making minor changes and act like they’re saviors. The geriatric fucks that hold seats have no semblance of understanding the current world and so we fall behind the curve further every year. Easy things that are obvious never get passed because those get bribed. Sick of the whole system obviously.
Republicans are the problem. Democrats are pretending to be the solution but are also the problem.
The reason Democrats deserve more hate is because they divert people from organising a solution to the problem. At least Republicans are honest about how much they suck.
Democrats don’t do damage control, they actively build the machinery for the next republican to be even more brutal.
They got so heated about pro Palestinian stuff on TikTok that they handed Donald Trump authority to ban any website he feels like by executive fiat. Then TikTok didn’t get banned and Trump got for credit for saving it.
I will never forget kente clothes.
Looook,
We are ALL going to Hell, FAST (choose your doom(CC,WWIII,etc).
We are all in the same car, here -like it, or not.
One party, …I’ll let you guess which 😉, has the accelerator pinned to the mat. “We’ll be there in 5 minutes, Boys!! HELL ON EARTH HERE WE COME!”
The other party, is simply driving at half that speed. Results are the same. They are flawed. But they CAN slow the car to give us a bit more time to “brace for impact”. But they too bought into Hell as a destination.
But ya, we’re ALL fucked no matter how much you pledge to one party or the other. One party just whispers in your ear and it’s a bit more gentle while they fuck your already ragged ass.
The other party just dry-humps you violently until your blood provides enough lube for them to finish while pounding their chest as you lie there, bleeding out of your ass on the nice, clean sheets.
That about sums it up from my perspective.
The problem with this is that it assumes both parties act independently.
You know how right now how Republicans are willing to use every loophole, cite ancient forgotten laws, and violate every norm? That’s always been possible. You can’t actually write a constitution to constrain bad-faith actors. You can always come up with a bogus interpretation to do what you want.
If this is possible, you have to ask, why did leaders ever try to follow the law in good faith? How was it ever possible to establish a norms-based stability when either side could knock over the board at any moment?
The answer is that good-faith interpretation of the law fails when people only do so out of principle. It succeeds when good-faith interpretation is a peace treaty. Both sides agree to follow the law in good faith, as the alternative is complete chaos as both sides try to twist every loophole.
Democrats are a bunch of liberal arts majors that have forgotten that Democracy and the rule of law does not exist because everyone worships them as high ideals. They exist because they are a compromise, a peace treaty.
Republicans break norms. In response, Dems latch on even tighter to the norms. Instead, they should be seeking to break them at every opportunity they can. They need to be as ruthless as the Republicans, and even more so.
Following the rule of law is hard. It means giving up power and results that you could otherwise achieve by violating the rule of law.
Right now, only Democrats are trying to obey every norm and precedent. As such, Republicans have nothing to lose by violating these. It’s all upside to them. Their bad behavior is the direct result of Democratic cowardice. If Democrats were willing to give as well as they get, we could actually have a rules-based order again. Paradoxically, a prerequisite for rules to be effective is that both sides need to be willing to violate them.
As I like to say, “The moral high road is filled with corpses”
Well said!
In short, fire with fire. …can’t fight a war with one hand tied to your balls, etc.
Dems have forgotten this. They need a leader to remind them and lead the charge.
if someone told you that, that’s what their sex life was like; you would assume that they’re a damaged person who needs psychiatric help and those psychiatrist would try to help steer them away from sex partners like that and towards healthier sex partners.
even our neighbors to the south have learned this fact and made their own sex lives better; but we americans are like battered spouses who keep bouncing back and forth between the same 2 abusive lovers because we both refuse to accept how damaged we truly are and because the more damaged among us keep re-inforcing the propaganda that voting democrat or republican is the only “grown up” choice to make as the “adults in the room”.
we’re only destined for hell if we keep rejecting a third party; places like mexico have already proved that things get A LOT better once you stop carrying the propaganda that third party is “throwing away” your vote.
(or atleast until you get the america’s attention and they send in their military and bankers to force you back into those abusive relationships… again).
It’s an unfortunate trait of the reddit migrations. That place was crawling with die-hard liberals, not entirely dissimilar to scabies. It stands to reason a few of the uninitiated would find their way here.
In spite of how I started this comment, we must remember that they are of the working class, and further division is a benefit exclusive to the capitalist.
I feel that the further we sink into full-blown fascism, the more of them will become aware, and may be counted among allies one day soon.
I plan to speak to those who are willing to listen and learn. But beware the contentious fool, ever seeking a debate but never trying for understanding.
.world got the liberals that were too delusional for reddit.
I agree, but the fact that they even came here gives me hope that they are open to change. It’s the ones who stayed on reddit are the lost causes, I think.
It’s because a lot of the criticism attributed to “the Democrats” it’s just general criticism about the government and has nothing to do with a Democrats specifically.
I really feel like as soon as a Democrat gets in the office people forget that the other half of the government is fucking Republicans that will do anything to stop Democrats from getting what they want… That’s the entirety of what Turtleman is made of.
It’s because a lot of the criticism attributed to “the Democrats” it’s just general criticism about the government and has nothing to do with a Democrats specifically.
I have very specific criticism of my Dem Mayor Bill White. The guy has been a cancer on the city and the party since his first term in office. He exists almost exclusively as a sell-out, as a money spigot for the horrifyingly corrupt city police department, and as a means of obstructing any kind of mass transit improvements straight down to fucking bike trails.
The problems with White aren’t unique to this candidate. They’re endemic to the party. You’ve got people who will not fucking retire, who are entrenched in their seats through gerrymandering and these enormous corporately-financed war chests, and who only ever seem to compromise with their right-wing next door neighbors. They do a shit job for years on end, get the most greasy, sychophantic press coverage, then trash people in their own party on their way out the door. Also, just shameless bigots, besides.
More often than not, these are Democrats of convenience. They only run under the party banner because the seat their contesting is tilted liberal by demographics or gerrymander. Your Eric Adamses and Lori Lightfoots and Henry Cuellars and Kristin Sinemas would be interchangeable with a Tim Scott or Rick Scott or Scott Walker any other voting day. But they’ve coded themselves as liberals in order to blend into liberal communities. And they’ve sold their souls for campaign cash, so they’ll say anything to anyone the day before the election, then toe the corporate line the day after.
I really feel like as soon as a Democrat gets in the office people forget that the other half of the government is fucking Republicans
When Democrats are in the majority, they’re helpless because the majority isn’t big enough.
When they’re in the minority, they’re helpless because Republicans are being too mean to let them do compromises that enrich the donors in their districts.
When they win an election, it is because they got the Silent Majority support of the Liz Cheney Republicans. When they lose an election, it is because AOC scared off their base of support or Jill Stein conspired with Vladimir Putin to trick Palestinian voters into voting for Iran.
Somehow, Republican obstruction only ever works for Republicans. And Democrats are always running perfect campaigns, perfect governments, and perfect foreign policies, only voters are just too stupid to notice.
It’s never the Dems’ fault. The only solution you’re presented with is to vote for Democrats harder. And if the Dems don’t win in historic landslides, you only have yourself to blame when the Liberal President’s last budget pays for the Liberal Mayor to task his Liberal Police Chief with herding everyone browner than a paper bag into the gas chamber.
It’s not that they suck. My problem with them, as an independent, is they’ve positioned themselves as the moral high ground party while in fact they have no moral leg to stand on. Their leadership had a historic moral test when it comes to the Gaza genocide and they failed it. They had another test to put a great candidate to prevent another Trump presidency, but they bowed down to their corporate masters and picked Kamala.
It’s that level of fundamentalism and holier than thou attitude that alienates many people like me. They have zero fighting tactics against Republicans besides clutching pearls and shaming. Kamala’s website up until the election day had no “agenda section”. You can’t really tell what her campaign is about. I guess she’s perfect enough and shouldn’t be questioned, otherwise “racism and sexism”.
They need a complete reset and redo of the party and its principles. Until then, I’m a non voter.
I wish I was this eloquent and well thought out in my replies. This 100% what I would have commented if I didn’t have skill issues.
thank you 🙏🏻
I’m not disagreeing with anything you said but a non-voter is a trump voter.
This is the reality you now face.
You do understand how the trolley problem - and your electoral system works?Very familiar with the trolley philosophical problem, thank you. But you’re arguing the lesser of both evils point of view, again. Which is not an excuse anymore. With all due respect, but it’s a horrible half-assed defeatist mentality that will never create any meaningful change. And yes, I’m very familiar with the electoral system, and the popular vote. Both of which clearly wanted Trump to win. Denying that this was what the majority of America wanted is delusional. What we should focus on is why on earth did the majority pick such a horrible president (Trump)? I’d love to see Democrats take on that self reflection and come up with better messaging and policies instead of acting like us independents owe them a vote…And no, “racism and sexism” ain’t it either.
I’m reminded by this quote from my one of favorite authors (Hunter S Thompson) in 1972:
“How many more of these stinking, double-downer sideshows will we have to go through before we can get ourselves straight enough to put together some kind of national election that will give me and the at least 20 million people I tend to agree with a chance to vote FOR something, instead of always being faced with that old familiar choice between the lesser of two evils?” ― Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72
We’re in 2025. Neither Trump nor the Genocide-supporting DNC deserves to be in power. That’s what a non-vote is.
And yet one of them is.
I am not from Australia had have no say. You did - and yet you did nothing. I understand it is hard to support something you fundamentally disagree with but the lesser of two evils is still better (eg: no Palestine resorts).
No one will agree with you or me on every policy, we are being asked to choose.BTW We have our own fascism problems here & donkey/informal voting is rife. Bad things absolutely could happen here.
Edit: I am from Australia
How could they replace Harris with anyone? The primary voters picked Biden/Harris and Biden stepped down so how do they select someone else? The new candidate would need to fundraise as the Biden/Harris campaign can’t immediately dismantle and shift all funding to the new candidate at the drop of a hat. The new candidate would have had to make the connections to the delegates the Biden/Harris campaign had already done.
How do you think they could switch candidates to someone other than Harris months before the election?
