The NCAP score for these should be -5, no way that is safe!
I just bought a Toyota and they locked a lot of features behind an app with a monthly fee, absolute fucking pricks. The whole auto industry is going to shit.
Seeing as cars and computers are increasingly shared platforms, where is the car-hacking community? As distinct from the car-optimizing or car-modding communities.
where is the car-hacking community?
In jail
Modern cars, I think because of safety laws and “trade secrets”, can be quite a pain the reverse engineer. It’s notoriously difficult to even interface with any of the chips in any of the onboard computers in the first place, let alone reverse engineer what’s going on and modify it. On top of that some car companies, like Toyota, are starting to add HMACs to all the messages they send on the CAN bus, so even if you did figure out everything, unless you get the signing keys every message will be ignored. On top of that, it’ll void your warrant, which I know some people don’t care about, but for a new car that you are having to depend on, its another hurdle.
Join and/or fund Right to Repair advocacy organizations people. For my fellow Canadians: check out CanRepair, they are currently registering members and will have their first ever AGM March 18
What things are subscription?
What did they lock behind the paywall?
The main things that bother me are maps, remote start (which can be done from the keys but it’s a pain in the ass). When you start the vehicle a screen comes up that asks you to subscribe for maps, and then Android auto connects like 50% of the time and randomly disconnects when you are driving.
There’s a bunch of other little features that are mostly convenience things, but I bought the vehicle, and I understand they have to run some infrastructure but it’s not much and I could just connect through wifi or Bluetooth and they wouldn’t have to run any infra.
https://support.toyota.com/s/article/Subscription-Plans?language=en_US
Also, it’s $15 a month which is a rip off. If it was $20 a year, thats annoying, but it’s more tolerable. $15 a month to be able to use the maps that are built in is a crime.
The big ass screen is worthless unless I’m using Android auto.
I have remote start, locking doors and car info for free in the FordPass app, though I HAVE to use Android Auto for maps as the 2022 Escape SYNC does not have maps at all, which I am actually unbothered by. Android auto works very well on the display, though it has to be via cable, no w/less AA available.
I’d love to be able to even just see if the doors are locked without a monthly fee.
The USB c connection is on the passenger side of the screen in the top right corner, so doing wired Android auto is pretty annoying
Just buy an old Japanese Honda or Toyota and keep it running forever. No one needs a “new” cat at this point.
Edit: car not cat but leaving it for lols.
I can deal with ad when watching TV or YouTube. But ads in the car, even while stopped, is just begging for someone to get killed. Will never even consider getting a jeep. I’m probably gonna have to get a new car in a couple of years and I want something new, but dumb. I want as little smart shit as possible, which is probably not going to be a thing.
I can deal with ad when watching TV or YouTube.
i can’t! i really hate ads, they’re so loud and obnoxious, they’re like jump scares every time they come on! ugh! this car would be like my idea of a nightmare!
Those are full page ads with audio. It’s amazing how you can disregard that.
I use ad breaks in vids to answer texts/emails or take a piss or whatever. Intrusive ads that take up entire pages on a site are the worst tho. Those can fuck off.
do you mute them or something? i don’t think i could focus on reading anything with that shit blaring in the background!
I just tune ads out. I got ADHD, so it’s really easy for me to get distracted and completely tune things out. It’s useful in some situations, but mostly sucks lmao.
There’s still Caterhams and Ginettas.
Although on second thoughts they’re probably not allowed in a country where the inhabitants can’t be trusted with a Kinder surprise egg.
The ads aside, nothing from the Stellantis family should be on your radar anyway
But I quite like the latest Maserati.
That’s a good example, considering its Ferrari/Lamborghini maintenance costs, to compare with Volkswagen’s Mercedes/BMW maintenance/repair costs.
If I could afford one I don’t think I’d be too worried about maintenance costs, it’s not a car I would buy with my head.
I was just pointing out that not everything Stellantis sells is a bland box on wheels.
I’m not saying they are bland boxes on wheels, I’m saying the company leadership is bullshit and goes in the wrong directions and the products they make are horrible and not mechanically sound
Agreed. Designing in a feature that presents users with something that’s deliberately designed to be as distracting and attention grabbing as possible during a time when they should have their undivided attention on driving is asking for trouble.
On that note, LED billboards run up along the side of roads should be illegal and at very least have dimmers to prevent them from blinding drivers at night.
Get an old Jeep 40s-2001 were prim- ya know what don’t get an old Jeep. I don’t want the competition.
How hard up for money could they possibly be? It’s such an insane move.
Turning everything you use into a fucking ads platform is peak capitalism. Burn it with fire.
everything you
useownConsumer already paid for the damn vehicle. At least market that ad-bullshit as the cheaper freemium rental version and offer a no ads purchase version… They are not at all thinking about the consumer, only about filling their ever growing pockets.
We need laws on how intrusive ads are allowed to be. Advertising is out of control. Personally, whenever I see an ad too many times, I make sure to avoid purchasing that item or anything from that company. You’re trying too hard to sell me junk.
“how intrusive” ?
We need laws to ban any sort of tracking, profile generation, etc.
Bring back contextual ads. If I’m on a gaming website show me a gaming ad ffs.
True. Also we need to regulated the spaces that the ads can occupie. Or the possibility that “sky is a billboard” might happen becomes too high
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“You know all those fake games you keep seeing?! We turned it into a real one that you can actually play! Oh, maybe I can get this machine gun!”
Bro, stop. No. Also, fuck you advertisers.
Same here. Also if the add is : giving an horrible child candy / do they think i am stupid talking / ‘real’ examples
Stellantis? More like Stale Anus
The best thing about Saint Luigi is that one doesn’t have to endorse an incel eco-fascist like Teddy K to call for “direct action.”
“Wanna be furious every time you stop?”
“BUY A JEEP.”
Careful with ol Ted there, all his good points were accidental, dude bombed university offices because he heard a plane fly over in the woods.
Wait until Musk gets permission to use their Neuralink chips world wide!
With the opposition he’s facing in the EU, no matter how safe it’ll be (lol), it’ll never be introduced.
It ain’t right.
But i also don’t get why people are still buying Jeeps? Most cursory search while doing research for a new vehicle should bring up red flags quick.
It’s a kink thing you wouldn’t understand
No, that’s an engine knock
So… masochism?
They wave to each other! Owners of Jeeps wave to each other, as if you say, “look we’re both suckers together.” Look up Jeep owners waving.
They give each other ducks…
You’re making the mistake of viewing a car as a reliable means of transport and not a way to show off how cool and rugged you are.
I would never buy a jeep anyways, but thanks for the warning,
I’m not buying Jeeps… But harder now.
Reason 2378 to never buy a Stellantis vehicle
Maybe pull the fuse for internet
