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    Wanting to leave NATO, withholding weapons from Ukraine and talking to Putin isn’t exactly “working against” fascism. That’s very much the Neville Chamberlain approach … but even he came to his sense after the full scale invasion started. Can’t say the same for die Linke.

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      That’s very much the Neville Chamberlain approach …

      That’s such revisionist history. Chamberlain wasn’t appeasing Germany, he was aligning with Germany against Communist Russia.

      He wasn’t surrendering, he was allying with fascism.

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        Source?

        That seems even more revisionist. If anything I’d have expected it from Winston “I believe in Aryan race science” Churchill.

        Chamberlain was buying time for rearmament. It wasn’t actually necessary and it was, in fact, pretty fucking stupid because Germany was rearming faster than France and Britain put together, and his betrayal of Czechoslovakia with their fortified border was even more galling in face of it, but the idea wasn’t to ally with Germany as far as I’ve seen anyone claim.

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        Without NATO, we’re going back into the age of territorial conquests and nationalist revenge campaigns. Russia and China aren’t the only countries where this crap is normalized (see Hungary - lot of my fellow Hungarians thinks Slovaks are just Hungarians forced to take up a Slavic language, and in reality they’re just a lost tribe of Magyars called “the Tóths”).

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        Campists these days are so funny, because now they’re getting all their opinions from the US state department.

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        NATO is liberal and that comes with all of the problems of liberals but in what ways has it functioned as a fascist organisation?

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        Don’t care, I’d rather live under the neolib European governments any day than a fascist Russian shithole. It’s not even a difficult choice. It’s not like there’s some leftist utopia as an alternative. The neolibs don’t murder gay people and don’t decriminalize violence against women as a state policy.

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        Had to protect the surplus profits of Capitalism at all costs. A century of wealth needed to be consolidated in the hands of the ubermensch. You know, Mohammed Bin Salmen and Amancio Ortega and Elon Musk.

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                  Without meaning this as a defense of Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine: go check .world mod history, every other deleted comment is “Russian troll” or “disinformation” or equivalents. If you defend a policy of censoring points of view more charitative to Russia than western narratives be open about it, it’s fine, just be aware that you’re actually doing it

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                    What is fine about censorship and banning ‘unwanted’ news sources?
                    People aren’t allowed to make up their own mind?
                    I have posted plenty of facts that got removed bcs it didn’t fit the US narrative.
                    There is plenty to say on the violent US instigated coup of 2014 and the horrible war commited by the Banderite regime for 8 years.
                    Somehow the MSM didn’t care and even whitewashed them later.
                    Mentioning that is not ‘Russian propaganda’.
                    I don’t like Putin, compareds to the US he is by far the lesser evil.
                    People refuse to see the manufactured consent and almost totalitarian information control.

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                    Putin suckers of every calibre, including “not everything is this clear cut” motherfuckers should be shut as diligently as nazis. Their “viewpoints” are harmful and should be censored.

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                  I wouldn’t know what that is.
                  And restrictive is a euphemism here in this circle jerk of manufactured consent and overcensoring