Summary
A new Leger poll reveals that 27% of Canadians now consider the U.S. an “enemy” country, while 30% still see it as an ally.
The survey follows escalating tensions, including President Trump’s tariff threats and his suggestion that Canada should become a U.S. state.
Trump remains widely unpopular in Canada, with 74% viewing him unfavorably. Political affiliation influences perceptions, with Conservatives more likely to see the U.S. as an ally.
Liberals, NDP, and Bloc Québécois supporters view the U.S. more negatively.
I view the U.S. as an enemy country right now, and I live here.
You complete me.
Do I foresee little ProfessorNougatScience babies in the future…?
What are you going to do about it?
Edited to add
Second time I’ve asked this and second time I’ve been downvoted to hell. Seems Americans don’t like their apathy challenged. It’s easy to be a keyboard warrior but no one seems to like facing the reality that they may have to actually do something about it.
You’re probably being down voted because of the presumption that we’re not doing things. Protests, calling representatives, boycotts, mutual aid networks, etc. Some of us work directly in politics or directly in government, and do what we can in those spaces, too.
It’s kind of irritating to get a finger-wagging admonition when you’re exploring all options short of outright assassination. And if the suggestion is to just start shooting, well, I think it’s asking more than you think for someone to choose to become a killer.
The question contains no presumption. I want to hear what Americans are going to do about the rise of fascism in their country directly from Americans’ mouths (or this case, finger tips).
If you’re actively protesting, calling reps, or working from within as you say, I say good job and good start.
If that’s true, instead of asking a rather blunt and extremely-easy-to-misinterpret question of individual people, go post a question about it somewhere. The presentation you’ve chosen (I saw the other one in the wild as well) comes across as rude and combative, even if that’s not the intention. It’s a quite bad way to foster open and honest conversation.
Since this Trump thing started rolling a whole month ago, people have been quite openly hostile toward Americans. And like fine, we get it, but many of us -are- doing things, and always have been trying to make things better… and we are getting caught by the same exhausting “you should have done more!!! You deserve it, this is what you voted for!!! Reeeeee!!!” That’s being slung at people who actually do deserve it. It’s really tiring, on top of everything else, to have to defend ourselves and our actions to random insensitive internet people with zero cause. We 75 million active blue voters can only do so much at a time to fix a country of 350 million incredibly diverse people (and we’ve been working at it for years if not decades, this loss was devastating for many of us). Most of whom are either stupid or selfish. Most of whom have never actually seen voting red or blue to have a marked impact on anything, because until quite recently it truly hasn’t made much material difference for your average person.
Before you ask, I’m working on getting my house ready to sell so I can buy some land to build up, solo and with as much manual effort as needed, into an off-grid year-round passive-productive farm (big ask in hardiness zone 4! But I’m 💪 capable!), that forms the foundation of a robust mutual aid network to help everyone I can… tho the fruits (and veggies) of my labor are far too sweet for the vipers that are fascists, so they get nothing but shot. They made this mess and I will do absolutely nothing to protect them from the consequences. Fortunately, they can’t help but tell you who they are. Every aid package or delivery will contain pro-social messaging, about banding together to get through the hard times, about supporting everyone based on need not ability, etc. I’ll also be building additional housing on this land (again, entirely solo, other than electrical), so I can provide soft landing for friends and family, or hire a person to help me in exchange for food and board for their family.
And perhaps you could explain why my other reply to those that answered earnestly also get downvoted. For example, https://sh.itjust.works/comment/16824568
Nice try. How long have you been working at DOGE?
Nice try? To do what? Spur Americans into not sliding further into fascism? Guilty as charged, I guess.
Oh of course, sorry about that… (winks) officer.
Those who are really going to do things about stuff shouldn’t yap about it on social media. Loose lips sink ships.
Right now I’m in a holding pattern. There’s a non-zero chance that Trump will be distracted by something shiny and we’ll move on to the next fucking fever dream crisis. There’s also a really, really good chance that if he does order to invade Canada, real shit will start to pop off here.
Trump isn’t calling the shots.
I don’t know about them, but I’ve been attending protests and getting more locally involved. I live in a very blue state so haranguing my local reps won’t do much since they’re already on the same page.
Good start, keep it up. Don’t dismiss contacting your reps just because you’re in a blue state.
There’s a good chance that wherever you live, far-right candidates are making headway in your government. What are you doing about it?
The federal government where I live is not actively imploding, so right off the bat I would like to point out that it’s a false equivalence. However, there is definitely a ton of headway to make in my more local area.
I am staying aware of my local politics, vote every chance I get, contracting my government representatives. I campaign for the people I think can help my area and country the best, and I encourage everyone I know to vote.
If my government starts slipping into fascism, I will do more. I will say also that with the USA burning every alliance it has in the span of a month, I’ve never more strongly considered joining the armed forces in some capacity.
If my government starts slipping into fascism, I will do more.
Very easy to say. Hopefully you’ll never have to put your money where your mouth is.
I don’t disagree with you!
Godspeed! The US has a whole lotta pain coming up, and it will have a big effect on the world order. We’ve had it coming for a long time, though.
If it’s already started slipping into fascism, you could be too late.
You have to stop fascism before it ever starts.
What do you want people to say to you on the Internet that is owned and monitored by the same people doing this?
I just want them to honestly answer the question.
The reason you’re getting downvoted is it’s a problem even here in the country. It’s the “Why aren’t you doing anything about it?” to all of us.
In the case of me, I live 1000 miles away from the seat of power, our representatives actively are dismantling things we voted for, not national I’m talking, state level, because we’re outright surrounded by the people who are actively cheering for this. (and the example of the voting against, state voted to get rid of the most strict abortion law in the country, legalizing it… and now the representatives on state level are trying to get a pregnancy registry “to try to stop preventable abortions.” while the state rep at national level is trying to get a national abortion ban going. This is one of many many many things in the state by itself. Hell, I just learned the state just gained police control to the other city after they managed to vote that out.)
I didn’t downvote, but I want you to read “What are you going to do about it?” out loud. Hell, you yourself said it’s the apathy. But the fuck am I going to do? Show up and wave a sign at the people who already have shown they couldn’t give a flying shit about our opinions? Or be there when the fight starts and be a martyr. The second option the best case scenario is getting to be like Tank Man, but honestly demographics I’d be one of the many forgotten in the Tiananmen Square Massacre. And that’s what it’s going to look like, because this administration you better believe is looking for an opportunity to go full martial law, and if we don’t do it, their brownshirts will for them.
So the best I can fucking do is stock up, prepare, keep my head down, keep in contact with the people who are in the same boat as I am being in effectively enemy territory and use the privilege I have of looking like a standard white conservative to see how many I can keep safe when being that demographic is important.
Vote Yes when secession comes up?
I downvoted you after your edit, because you’re a little bit of a dick about it.
I’ll never understand staying in a place you hate.
I understand that options aren’t available to everyone
Yeah big same!
We are absolutely an enemy to the free world now. There used to be a tiny sliver of decency, but that has long since been abandoned.
To the rest of the world: take us down.
With fucking what? You have the most powerful economy on earth, and you’ve used it to build the most powerful military on earth. Invading the US would be the most diasterous war the world has ever seen.
Wake the fuck up. If you guys don’t fix this shit, we are all completely and utterly fucked.
No one is coming to save you.
I don’t remember saying shit about us not handling this internally or going to war but you do you.
The idea that the USA is untouchable by global counterparts is absurd. Look at what Russia does to our elections with a couple of script kiddies. We can absolutely be targeted and displaced by outside forces, especially with the current crop of dipshits running the federal government right now.
They do have a point though, that it’s your mess to clean up. Unlike so many US citizens, many of us actually know that you don’t always need to blow something up, figuratively or literally, when it stops working properly.
We don’t want to “take you down”. We want you to finally start behaving your damn selves. Clean up your own fucking messes, we’re not your parents.
We couldn’t even get our fellow countrymen to wear cloth masks without them screeching and guzzling horse dewormer. We’ve been demanding universal healthcare since at least the 90s; we got a fucking insurance marketplace instead, and the right wing has never stopped bitching about it to this day. If we could clean it up, we would have, but there’s a subset of our population that’s hopelessly propagandized. The only upshot here is that it tends to be a regional phenomenon and might be able to be addressed via balkanizing; just walk away from the table and let the fucking bozos be bozos in their own little bozoville.
It’s funny, the French are so often made fun of for being cowards but if their government does anything to try to strip their rights the whole fucking place throws a well deserved fit. The US mostly just sits on their fucking hands with the BLM protests being the only significant country-wide movement in a long time.
“We couldn’t”—fuck off, ya’ll didn’t even try. The slightest inconvenience and the country folds, and that’s even if any of you are paying any attention to the news at all. Too many of you fools don’t even know what the fuck is going on; at least Fox viewers are trying to keep up with politics(badly, but they’re doing it).
Get your fuckasses outside and do something that isn’t passing blame and staying home.
Every time we “do stuff” the mainstream media seizes the narrative and blocks popular support. The big thing from my region was CHAZ… a protest occupying ten city blocks for almost a month in response to police brutality. National media convinced the Right that we burned down Seattle, cops threw a fit and stopped doing their jobs, and if anything things are worse now for having tried.
We need enough general unrest that when things get violent, and they will, they can’t monopolize the narrative and send in the military. And even then I think the Right wins that war unless other countries are willing to help.
There is more than just “main stream media” out there. And yes, it’s a hard battle to fight, I won’t deny that, but c’mon, really? And this also goes back to the fact that too many citizens don’t even know what’s going on at any given moment out of willful ignorance.
It’s a tough battle upwards, the established propaganda model helps make sure of that, but undeniably at the end of the day, the workers in the US hold more than enough power collectively to threaten decision makers into compromise (and, if you have the guts, submission). I’m not even talking about violence, I’m talking about things like withholding labor and simple sabotage.
That’s fair and I 100% agree.
All Russia did was give a nudge to the literal trillions of dollars in capital held by elites who wanted nothing more than full-blown fascism. All the Kremlin had to do was finance whoever could sow the most distrust in democratic institutions and wedge themselves in existing divides within the US. It’s the most boring coup in history, people voting for Hitler not because of Bolshevism of whatever but because they’re triggered by fucking vaccines and pronouns.
Conversely even if the EU went full hybrid warfare (which we aren’t because we can’t even do anything about the open fascists in our own Union), the counterplay is rebuilding trust which is harder by orders of magnitude than just buying up a social media, deleting moderation, and promoting the Nazi stuff.
Best we could hypothetically do is sanction y’all into autarchy and hope the subsequent recession/depression acts as an electroshock to the population, but you’re already doing it to yourselves and besides I see no reason why the two thirds of y’all who either don’t care or actively support fascism would change their minds. It will be just like Putin Orban or Erdogan, 15 years from now shit will be worse than ever for the 99 % but Republicans will still win elections without even needing to cheat much thanks to their complete control over state propaganda. Your democracy is dead, you should be moving through the stages of grief and planning your next move.
I’d love to be proven wrong but there’s too much historical precedent, and zero precedent to Americans being even remotely close to politically conscious enough to engage in “forceful” political change (unless the force is being exerted on Black people, then the “well regulated militia” comes out the woodwork). Hell, the videos from “protests” I’ve been seeing this week in your major cities look so pathetic it makes Denver look like a large village.
don’t invade us
gets out ballgag
ooooh i’d hate it soooo much to get invaded
handcuffs self to radiator
it would be so awful getting invaded
I think I’m going to invade that ass
You have power. Help us out: https://specificsuggestions.com/
See also: CIA guides to simple sabotage.
It’s sad how the US has spent so long building up an alliance with Canada, only for it to all be ruined by Trump in such a short amount of time. I was planning on travelling to California but those plans have since been scrapped as I just don’t feel comfortable travelling to the US. I’m genuinely worried things may escalate further.
Well, with any luck we’ll both be able to visit the New California Republic in a few years
As a Californian, I’m hella stoked for the future nation of Pacifica.
So what you’re saying is California will declare its independence as soon as the genetic experiments to create an army of two-headed bears are successful?
Funny part first time I saw it I thought it could be 2 bears in profile for California mark 2.
I could see that if the second bear wasn’t missing two sets of legs.
It’s perspective hahahah
That’s not how perspective works.
I read this as Canada being the second head at first.
Which is actually appropriate, because we have a similar population, and would make sure the Republicans never win another election just like a second California (and besides the, y’know, French-tinged guerilla warfare).
That would be epic
If NY and California just split off or joined with Canada…
They should apply to the EU
Would be nice if Canada annex all of Pacific Coast
Patrolling the Mojave? Nah, a stroll around the Night City should be nicer even.
I have family down there that I’ll never see again. There’s no way in hell I’m going back down to that shithole, ever. It already felt like enemy territory even before the first Trump administration. Now it’s like booking a holiday in Nazi Germany in 1939. Fuck all that.
What part of the country already felt hostile? The South or some flyover state?
Florida I’m sure
I have relatives who moved to the states, they tend to come down once a year since they have their own business and can easily take off time whenever, whereas for me as a full-time employee it’s not so simple. I’ve already not visited the states in quite a few years so that part isn’t a loss for me at least.
I dunno if they will visit this year though, that will be interesting to see what happens with that.
It’s 1933 Germany at worst. Give them some credit. /s
It has been a constant barrage of misinformation spread across the world for decades.
We’ve seen many reports of misinformation farms from Russia, China and North Korea and this is the result of it.
misinformation farms from Russia, China and North Korea
For those unfamiliar:
The Internet Research Agency, also known as Glavset, and known in Russian Internet slang as the Trolls from Olgino or Kremlinbots, was a Russian company which was engaged in online propaganda and influence operations on behalf of Russian business and political interests. It was linked to Yevgeny Prigozhin, a former Russian oligarch who was leader of the Wagner Group, and based in Saint Petersburg, Russia.
The 50 Cent Party, also known as the 50 Cent Army or wumao, are Internet commentators who are paid by the authorities of the People’s Republic of China to spread the propaganda of the governing Chinese Communist Party (CCP). The program was created during the early phases of the Internet’s rollout to the wider public in China.
I wanted to visit New York City but never had the chance.
I’m not going to be going any time soon, that’s for sure.
Yeah, that’s like the one part of America that holds mystique for me too. I guess American Samoa has the weird timezone.
We just cancelled our trip to Disney, which is sad, but I see there are some other locations in Tokyo or Paris, so might look at going there for a middle ground.
As a Californian I can assure you that unless you’re in the absolute middle of nowhere nobody would even bat an eye at you having a Canadian accent.
I think there’s concern about the fucking plane crashing on the way. 100% legit concern.
Wow friend, that’s really reassuring buddy.
I wanted to go to my first Combo Breaker in Chicago but that’s not happening.
I’m an American, and I have never felt more politically or ideologically alienated from the country that is supposedly “mine”. Seriously considering fucking off, finding somewhere else to live, and renouncing my citizenship.
I’m currently setting that in motion for myself. Taking the chance to go back to college in another country and hoping to basically getting a do over for my life
We gotta fight this. Can’t just leave.
I’m honestly not sure this context is winnable.
Your country is under siege. If control isn’t regained, the America we once knew will be as history as the Weimar Republic.
Precisely the comparison I’ve been trying to make for a while now
You should know that until you do renounce your citizenship, you’ll have to pay taxes in the US even if you live in another country. AFAIK only 2 countries in the world still use citizenship-based taxation: USA and Eritrea.
Also, if you ever do try to renounce your citizenship, it’s much more difficult than you might think. The people I know who have done it had to pay tens of thousands of dollars to complete the process, despite being up to date on their taxes and not being at all rich.
I’m an American and also see the United States as an enemy country. Our worst enemy, in fact.
Damn Americans! They ruined America!
Snark aside, you’re completely right. The country that’s going to suffer the most damage at America’s hands is America itself.
It’s not even snark, it’s a perfectly accurate statement!
Absolutely. Trump’s and the Project 2025’s “America First” strategy is essentially turning US imperialism inward on its own citizens now that the former global dominance is waning.
Also known as…
Unfortunately, it’s only Evil Kirk.
Meanwhile, at the Kremlin
27% seems a little low.
About 90% of people I know avoid buying American goods if possible now…
I wonder how things will change in the next few months.
It seems to me it would be such an obvious thing for Canadian companies to change their packaging to prominently feature Canadian flags, but that takes time. Until then, it’s still a bit difficult to know which products are Canadian vs. American vs. made somewhere else.
There’s a small chance that Trump will back down and try to play nice with Canadians. But, I doubt it. So, I don’t think Canadians are going to start changing their mind on buying US products any time soon.
I wonder if retailers will make it easy too. They generally try to stay out of politics and don’t want to alienate anybody. But, if anger about the US continues, people might expect retailers to make it easier to buy Canadian and easier to avoid US products.
At my grocery store in Canada each Canadian product has a Canadian Flag next to each shelf price sticker. Makes it easy to know what to grab.
Is it Loblaws or Metro or another big chain, or is it a smaller store? I’m guessing the big corporate stores will be the slowest to change.
Believe it or not, it’s a Sobey’s, so big chain. I was pleasantly surprised that it happened so quickly. I don’t know if my local store is representative of the chain though.
Given that Trump has been threatening daily to invade or otherwise annex Canada, I would agree with you there. What’s the definition of an enemy country if not one that is constantly threatening to destroy you and seize what is yours?
Do we have to wait for it to actually happen before the slower Canadians catch on? Or are we dealing with that group of Canadians that worship Trump and would consider the destruction of their own country to be helpful? There’s a word for people like that.
Or maybe Canadians are being nice and talking about the USA in a non-political sense, as the American people. Even then, given the relatively high approval ratings of Trump and Musk in recent polls, it’s clear many of the American people are not friendly towards Canada.
I don’t know what to even think anymore. Our neighbour wants to invade us but all our talent just ends up moving to the states anyway (at least in my industry) since they can make way more money. Housing is fucked, wages are fucked, and what does buy canadian even mean? from lablaws? fuck that, everything is a monopaly up here from groceries, telecoms, everything! What does it even mean to be canadian anymore? At least we’ve got our principals, I’m glad we’re pushing back and taking a stance but I hate the direction this country is headed. Things are bad and theres no end in sight.
We’ve still got plenty to fight for, as long as our country isn’t under the control of actual Nazis like the USA is. Europe before WW2 had problems, but it was still very much worse for everyone once the Nazis rolled in. Let’s not let that happen, and at least buy ourselves the possibility of improving life in Canada.
cheers to that.
Yeah only 27%. I mean everyone I know thinks of them as an enemy. They betrayed Mexico, Canada and Ukraine already and its only February.
We’ve been breaking treaties for as long as we’ve been a country, just ask the remnants of the native peoples. We’ve had brief, shining periods as a force for good or scientific achievement, but mostly it’s a big, racist shithole.
Also apparently told Europe that they’re pulling out of there unless they accept the deal for Ukraine’s surrender…
Yeah, that’s what I thought. Take a hint Canada, do we need to tilt our hands up and stop pissing on your boots and start pissing on your face? Don’t trust a group of people where more than 50% of them voted for a convicted felon and mental retard to shape their future. Maybe the poll doesn’t account for the other 73% just feeling sad about their pathetic neighbor?
I am a U.S. citizen (stuck in the U.S.) and I view the U.S. as an enemy country
How are you stuck in the US?
How am I stuck in the country?
My government won’t issue me a passport.
Aside from the extreme financial and planning difficulties involved with emigrating, It’s exceedingly difficult for trans individuals to get a passport right now. The department of state has been destroying identity documents of anyone who is currently or has previously requested an official gender change and they are not providing any recourse or remedy to the issue.
Just a “please leave or you will be arrested” when asked what can I do to get a passport…
Jfc. Unbelievable. Well, very believable. Scumbags.
I don’t have the financial wherewithal to pick up and move to another country. If I did I’d be out of here.
Don’t listen to that guy. Canadians know Americans, and we know some of you are fine. Hopefully it gets easier to come here soon enough.
Oh, so there’s not another Country that’ll just pick up your tab and give you free food, a phone, a car, help you get a place to live and let you have one of their citizens jobs? Got it!
stay where you are.
You’ve fucked up enough countries.Oh yeah, because some dude working at a DeMoines McDonalds is really tearing other countries apart.
Get real, homie.
not your homie.
90+ percent of US votes for the uniparty and when it comes down to it they all support their imperial wars and profit from it.
They can go to hell.90% lol you can’t even get 50% to vote
so i should care about them?
Damn, you sure are good at getting people to rally around your point.
Keep it up, HOMIE. You’re really changing minds.
And by the way, since you’re so god damned self righteous, I didn’t vote for Trump OR Kamala. So what “uniparty” did I vote for? Fucking reactionary leftists destructing their own, that’s you.
Homie.
but the person you are talking to didn’t. That’s the very premise of this conversation. Please find another justification, homie.
Screw you. The peasant is not the imperialist.
@harsh From your values, sounds like I would welcome you to my country.
These libs now get a piece of their own medicine.
They wouldn’t give a shit about the rest of the world.
what is wrong with you
you could go to vietnam probably
Have you ever considered how expensive it is to emigrate to another nation? And then there’s the acceptance part, which anyone who has gone through it can tell you, is VERY difficult.
The uncertainty surrounding it is just far too much for most people.
Apart from the cost, logistics, finding a job…emigrating is terrifyingly huge.
That’s exactly my point. America is the greatest country on earth. You can’t just waltz into other countries and get the help that you can get here. Yes, right now things are changing in that respect. We’ve been taken advantage of in a huge way and it’s simply not sustainable.
You know what? Go fuck yourself.
You could not more wrong. American capitalism is the worst form of capitalism in the world. It is only attractive to people from truly desperate situations.
Money.
Also, people tend to have things like friends and family.
If I could gather all my friends and family with me and move out of this backwards ass shithole, I would. It’s not that simple.
This is always the Libertarian shitpost response: “you’re free to do what you want” because you don’t recognize economic coercion. It’s a perfectly OK form of limiting freedom. Fuck off.
I could tell you why I would choose to stay where I am even if I had the resources to leave. It is actually possible for some of us to put together a decent life for our families and try to brighten the lives of those around us.
…Even though our government is somewhere between evil and self-destruct, and our culture is somewhere between “fuck you got mine” and “die woman/jew/brown/LGBT+/other!”
And yeah I’m a straight white dude, how did you guess? :/
But anyway, I’ve lived in the same house for 17 years. It is a 10 minute walk to the elementary/middle school my son will attend for the next 5 years. It is a 6 minute drive to the office for the best job I’ve ever had. We are active in our community and school district, and have some wonderful friends. All my son’s grandparents are within a reasonable drive (but not too close). All my nieces and nephews are similarly close by.
It’s a small modest house that we’ve made our own. In the past 5 years we’ve done some major renovations, repairs, and remodeling. We fenced in the back yard which is great for our kid and our multiple dogs. And our tortoise. Oh yeah, we’re animal lovers. And that includes a koi pond that I built in the back yard that’s literally part of my mental health self-care.
Moving to some place that seems less insane right now would materially change my entire life, not just which government I have to live under.
The US is the enemy of the world. Even of its own people.
US citizen here and I’m surprised that 27% isn’t much higher.
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US citizen here… can I bump up that number for them please? I’ll work and pay taxes without complaining about them.
I’m guessing it’s a split between considering the govt an enemy but not the people, along with people who think it’s nearing-but-not-quite an enemy.
As a Native American we’ve considered over half of the country as an enemy since 1492.
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As member of the 27%, Im much more surprised that only 30% consider the US an ally. Trump has fucked Canadian’s public opinion so bad. Pre-election I’d expect that number to be around 80%
Another distraction meant to divide. We, the people in the US, love you Canada. I can see why you hate our president, but most of us hate him too.
I don’t by default dislike Americans, but I don’t think I can trust Americans by default anymore.
He got reelected after Jan 6, after project 2025 was released publicly, after “dictator on day one”, after everything.
There are a TON of Americans I deeply respect. But the speed at which you turned your backs on us, and the lack of internal outcry speaks volumes. Over 100 years of cooperation thrown down the drain in less than a single month.
First of all, I personally did not turn my back on you. Trump and his fellow baddies did. Second, as I said in another thread, he legally cheated and probably illegally cheated as well. He knew he was going to win long before Biden showed he was old and his polls were bad. I think he even said something like, “Don’t worry about the election, that’s covered.” or something like that.
It’s probably wise not to trust us completely, especially in rural areas. I would treat us like family you lost touch with for a long time that you used to love to hang with, but you’ve heard some shady things about.
You’re complaining that Canadians seeing the US as an enemy nation is divide and conquer, but this screed against the rural peoples of your own country is just dandy???
As someone who has the misfortune to live in a rural area, it’s high time that we a society (those of us who actually WANT a society) recognize that a good portion of the people who make up that rural population are utterly lost. They need to be left behind before they drag all of us down with them. It’s not nice, it’s not pretty, but we cannot and will not have any kind of functional union again until we cut out this rot that allowed the Trump government into power.
And I’m not against people having this recognition! I’m just saying, it’s hypocritical to tell Canadians we can’t see the US as an enemy nation if it acts that way, but it’s okay for urbanite Americans to see rural Americans as their enemy. Either it’s divide and conquer in both cases or it’s recognizing political reality in both.
The rural vs the city has already been divided and conquered. There are trumpers in the city (libertarians) and there are progressives in rural communities (they’ll still be friends but they can’t talk about politics). It’s the way it is now.
No screed.
A long monotonous speech or piece of writing.
You missed my point - if you’re saying Canadians recognizing the present reality that the US is an enemy nation of Canada is divide and conquer, I don’t see how that doesn’t apply to how you talk about urban/rural divides. Either acknowledging the political reality of a situation is divide and conquer or it’s not.
You have to understand, most Americans have no idea this is going on, or at least the extent. We live in an information dystopia.
Does that make us idiots? Yeah. But I think “disloyal” is the wrong word, and in fact many Americans are just overly loyal to the feeds and influencers warping their heads.
Then actually do something, we’ve been begging you.
What would you do? He legally cheated and probably had a light mix of illegally thrown in. What exactly should I do?
Gum up the works. File fake reports with ice from burner phones. Burn cop cars. Force their hand. Make them work for every byte they take iff the servers.
Anything more than a single day protest and resignations.
The bigger issue is most of the population isn’t aware of this.
https://www.axios.com/2025/02/14/arizona-voters-trump-elon-musk-executive-orders
This is one example of many, but people are still largely OK with Trump. America is stuck in filter bubbles like you wouldn’t believe, and it’s getting worse.
I… Don’t know how to fix that. I’d fuck up Facebook, Twitter, or cable news at any opportunity, but they rule people’s minds now.
If you can pull a few people out of filter bubbles, it helps. But it’s up to you to decide if it’s worth the investment, it really depends on where you are and what you can do.
You can also engage in one-person propaganda efforts, like putting up critical posters/stickers. Just don’t get caught.
If you love us, put a stop to this. Because right now Trump is literally spouting the exact same rhetoric about Canada that Putin was spouting about Ukraine before the invasion.
How many of us get to die at the hands of American guns and bombs while you say “It’s OK, we still love you, it’s just our President who’s an asshole”?
Okay, tell me how we’re supposed to stop the most heavily guarded dude on the planet with the biggest military. He also has every education and financial record on every citizen. Go…
Don’t ask me, ask the people in your own country organizing acts of resistance right now. Get involved, ask them what they need, ask them how you can help. Even small acts of resistance add up. Doing something, anything, inspires others to get involved, and it builds networks. Eventually, you’re probably looking at something like a general strike, but you’re never going to get there if people don’t start organizing in small ways right now.
You said put a stop to it like we have a choice. Canada has a lot of the same things firing up, I suggest you guys follow your own advice on that. Still love you though.
but most of us hate him too.
You overestimate our fellow Americans.
You overestimate our fellow Americans.
I do not:
45% is still too high for me to trust Americans.
Everyone I talk to has about even odds of being a nazi
Everyone I talk to has about even odds of being a nazi
Well, a good portion of the Nazi’s don’t know they’re the baddies. I know, still Nazis, but they think they’re fighting for a job they don’t want. They’re poor and miserable and want to blame others, trump let’s them do that.
The rest, you can tell by if they wear a red hat, have bumper stickers that have an american flag or eagle on it or looks uncomfortable in city settings. If they call themselves a Libertarian, that’s also a big red flag (pun intended). They give off pretty loud signals.
Okay, then they’re either an idiot or a nazi or both. Still makes me want to avoid them.
Me too brother, me too.
‘Disapprove’ covers a very wide variety of opinions, most of them very milquetoast. Any poll on the topic with differentiation between “Somewhat Disapprove” and “Strongly Disapprove” will result in a marked minority in “Strongly Disapprove”.
Americans don’t hate Trump, by and large. Those of us who pay attention to politics hate Trump. And we are a minority.
This isn’t a distraction, it’s a foreign government threatening us with an economic war specifically to try to annex our country and then doing the things it said it would do to try and make that happen.
The bar is “don’t hate Trump” and ya’ll’re barely hanging onto a majority in the regard only based on recent polls and you elected him with a majority. Your country is balls to wall towards the far-right and I don’t care for your worthless centrists, either.
I’m sorry you have to deal with this, but fuck the US and the vast majority of its citizens. Your “love” means fucking nothing to us.
Shocked it’s not higher
HOT OF THE PRESSES: 73% of Canadians not paying attention.
Online survey… Don’t expect people with brains to fill those out…
Was, but a joke :)
