Just get rid of the charging stations. It’s ridiculous that EV owners should expect to charge their cars anywhere but at home or at work.

  • TheFogan@programming.dev
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    2 days ago

    Just get rid of the charging stations. It’s ridiculous that EV owners should expect to charge their cars anywhere but at home or at work

    why the hell is that ridiculous? People do go places other than home and work. People take road trips and vacations. Electric cars are a good thing, just because one particular brand is owned by a narcisist ruining the country.

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      23 hours ago

      Also, not everyone has a parking spot with electricity. How are you supposed to charge if you’re parking on a random place on the street, like most people do? I’d joke about “lower a chain of extension cords from your 20th floor”, but that would be assuming you can park next to your home at all. My building’s parking, for example, had all its spots sold out by now, while the very few ones for sale in the neighborhood cost a fortune. Apparently, they were affordable if you bought the apartment new, but on a secondary market - no.

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      2 days ago

      I don’t care about any particular EV brand. Trying to use battery powered EVs for such purposes means that they need to built with heavy, oversized, extra hazardous batteries. The responsible, proper use case for BEVs is short trips with plenty of time for charging at home or work.

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        So your suggestion is basically families should own an EV just for getting around home… and a gas guzzler for long distance travel? IMO the ideal should be a slow phase out of the gas cars.

        Or you know… instead of needing super heavy batteries… they could have smaller batteries… if charging stations become common enough that people can relatively easily find places to stop and charge on long trips.

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        2 days ago

        Batteries and liquid fuel are both hazardous in terms of catching fire, do you mean something else?

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    2 days ago

    Just get rid of the fuel stations. It’s ridiculous that vehicles owners should expect to refuel their cars anywhere but at home or at work

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      1 day ago

      Just get rid of the cars. Build cities built for human communities, not for cars and mega corporations. Electric vehicles are a band-aid solution that’s not going to save us, and doesn’t solve the fundamental problem.

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      2 days ago

      I’m inclined to agree that all motorized personal vehicles and their attendant infrastructure should be eliminated. However, you’re making a false equivalency. I live in New Jersey, so it takes maybe five minutes for me to completely refuel my car with gasoline. My understanding is that it takes six times as long to charge a big EV to ~80%. Therefore, a single fueling station can serve many more people with a much smaller footprint. Furthermore, fuel gets consumed, whereas batteries are mostly dead weight that occasionally do the thermal runaway thing.

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        6 hours ago

        I think it’s funny that you think you’re dumbass trolling is affecting anyone. lol dumbass.

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        2 days ago

        I really like the “thermal runaway thing” expression, and yeah it is a false equivalency but it’s a funny one.

        EV charging and the tech around it can be slow today, but it doesn’t mean we should abandon and go back to what we know is working (as some people want to). This is a recipe for zero innovation and not the way to become a Star Trek like civilization.

        In my city there are electric buses that charge in a few seconds at some stops along the route. No overhead wires, no big diesel engines and no noise.

        We just need to work and improve those new vehicles, find better than the actual EV and combustion engines as well.

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          Which buses are those?

          My position is that the development of long range BEVs (and all the externalities associated with manufacturing and disposing of these batteries) has been an incredible detour. We already had the technology for fuel cell EVs with as much range as ICE vehicles. Meanwhile, short range BEVs are great because they solve the problem of refueling and avoid the problem of recharging, since you can do it while you sleep work. Long range BEVs just trade refueling for “fast” recharging, which is actually slower and more inconvenient than refueling. Where we really need innovation and development is in mass, public transit.

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        all motorized personal vehicles and their attendant infrastructure should be eliminated

        I live in New Jersey, so

        Nuff said.

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    2 days ago

    I’m going to disagree with you on the sentement. We need a better infrastructure for EVs, and non-tesla vehicles can use those charging stations (either via adaptor, or a few use that same plug type.)

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      10 hours ago

      Wait, do they not all use the same plug? Forgive my ignorance on EVs, my car is 60 years old.

      With ya on infascructure. Would like to see better build quality than tesla stuff though, and hardware you own not locked behind pay walls. Add standardization to the list I guess.

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    2 days ago

    The idea that EV owners should only be able to charge at home is a joke I hope? Should they not be allowed to travel?

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      2 days ago

      Not joking. Why do you think EV owners need charging stations everywhere in order to travel? They’re not restricted to using only their EVs, right?

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        2 days ago

        Ah I see, EV owners should also own a gaz guzzling car only for going on vacation I see. Very good point you are very smart.

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          If you take a lot of long distance trips that it probably makes most sense to just keep a single ICE car. If you only take long trips occasionally then just rent one. Hopefully, buses and trains are also on option for you.

          If you’ve got one of those BEVs capable of hundreds of miles of range, but you’re only driving tens of miles everyday, you’re not any better than an F150 owner with a clean bed.

  • Victor@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Just get rid of the charging stations. It’s ridiculous that EV owners should expect to charge their cars anywhere but at home or at work.

    Freaking BASED.

    But for long-distance trips, that doesn’t really hold up until we get battery capacities vastly superior to those of today. For countries with workers that have vacations, we like to go places other than home or work, sometimes. 😅

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    2 days ago

    What if you work remote and live in an apartment building without plugs???