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Summary
According to the Telegraph, a leaked confidential Trump peace plan delivered to President Zelenskyy has caused panic in Kyiv.
The proposal would grant the U.S. half of revenues from Ukraine’s resource extraction and licensing, effectively amounting to economic colonization.
The Telegraph noted, “Trump’s demands would amount to a higher share of Ukrainian GDP than reparations imposed on Germany at the Versailles Treaty, later whittled down at the London Conference in 1921, and by the Dawes Plan in 1924.”
Simultaneously, the plan would absolve Russia for its invasion that has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.
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Have we forgotten that Trump has no power in Ukraine. All this means is that Europe has to provide a bit more funding.
Honestly, not even that much.
Keep fighting Russia without the US. Tell Trump to pound sand.
Oh man. He doesent care if he has power in a country or not, he just tried to free the Tate bros in Romania.
He just feels like the king of the world. We should not validate this feeling…
Ukraine is already struggling immensely with the US support. Imagine what will happen without US support.
The biggest problem is likely to be Trump ditching the sanctions on Russia. Or even becoming a customer of Russian energy.
Ditching the sanctions is likely considering they harmed the hegemony of the USD.
Or US supporting Russia.
If Ukraine says no, Trump’s going to double down on the “it’s Ukraine fault” narrative and start supporting Russia to promote “peace”
Knowing what’s really going-on, in this world, as unconscious-mind’s imprint->reaction mind tries to smash all considered-reasoning from having ANY say in the world, aka The Great Filter,
I’d not be surprised if Trump threatened to outright-nuke Ukraina for disobeying his agreement with Putin.
People are fools to think that sociopathy-psychopathy isn’t running the world, now, calling the real shots.
The fascist-nihilist network actually wants all others butchered, & they want to have fun during the roller-coaster-ride as they preside-over/enforce it, as the ruling “kings”.
NEVER mistake an opponent playing a negative-sum-game ( nihilist-sadists, e.g. ) for an opponent who is playing a zero-sum-game ( narcissists ), or an opponent who is playing a positive-sum-game ( win-win alliance ).
Fatal folly is worthless, as “strategy”.
It’s going to be hard finding an opponent playing a positive-sum-game
The US has not really done all that much. That said, as above, others would have to step up.
But the US has mostly been sending old stock and then replenishing their own. All the money they claim to be sending is being spent in the US.
And anything actually new has been very, very slow rolled. Canada made the mistake of piggy-backing purchases on US orders. Air defence systems Canada fully funded (money to the US) in early 2023 are only being delivered now.
That’s not quite accurate. The U.S. is the country that has provided the largest support to Ukraine. Congress has voted $175 billion for Ukraine. About half of that was sent to them and the other half was spent domestically to help them.
If this will happen expect Americans to die in terrorist attacks.
You see, this is how Palestinian, resistance groups, and all colonized countries feel when Europe and North America made sure to suck the living resources out of them, making them cheap labour if they decide to escape their land.
In this case, Trump is treating Ukraine the same way they treat south america and other small nations.
Pretty sure this is just part of the “give them a terrible deal they wouldn’t agree to” strat that means Trump can say “we gave them a very good deal and they refused, Russia can do what they want”.
It’s all bullshit and always has been.
I can already see this being parroted back to me by my relatives who watch Hungarian TV stations
So basically 1939 again, with Ukraine playing Poland, and you all know who the US are playing.
Playing the role of Nazi America.
It would be a grand historical irony if the country that ultimately ensures Ukraine’s freedom from Russia ends up being Germany.
“We are here to liberate you from the Russians…and this time, we really mean it!”
I mean, you could argue they’re more like Fascist Italy. The parallel with Germany is mainly that they’re already a great power.
The parallel is the country that Europe either appeases or opposes.
I hope they get it right this time.
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So many assasinations in world history, they really arent that rare of a thing.
Putin’s puppet doing his job well. The Orange Turd delivers garbage as usual.
Putin’s puppet
“Putin’s puppet” is the ceo of the wealthiest country in the world and the strongest army in history. You probably don’t like to hear but if there are any puppets they are most likely the 10 times weaker players
Or are easily manipulated narcissists. Trump before running for office in the first place laundered money for Russian oligarchs and an extensive and prolonged Russian based disinformation is the main reason he has the cult he does. Also key point: everything Trump has done indicates he is a coward. It doesn’t matter how strong a coward is
Trump is scum, one of the biggest on earth same as his russian counterpart. Claiming the ceo of USA is a puppet of a country 10 times weaker is ignoring the scale and capabilities of US government military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_highest_military_expenditures
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_military_installations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010s_global_surveillance_disclosures
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinations_by_the_United_States
Yes, I am ignoring the US military; because it is irrelevant. It’s like arguing that a man’s car can’t be stolen because he’s a heavyweight boxing champion. How many bases do you need to build before the US is immune to sabotage and subversion? How much money do you need to spend on guns before disinformation campaigns don’t work? It is not as simple as one country being weaker than another. Different countries have different capabilities depending on what they have focused on. Russia has been building it’s disinformation pipeline for a long time and has always been very good at exploiting corruption. The US is not very good at defending itself from those kinds of attacks as experts have been warning for frickin decades. This is not a video game where election interference is only targetable on nations in your level range and national strength can neatly be condensed into a single number and compared.
Or have I misunderstood your argument and your arguing that Putin has nothing to force Trump to obey him? Yet still in that argument the US military and the assassinations are still irrelevant. Trump is Putin’s puppet not because Putin is a master manipulator dangling some blackmail over Trump’s head. Putin’s an unhinged, cowardly nutjob who spends most of his time hiding in a bunker marinating in the propaganda he himself commissioned. No, it’s because Trump is a moron who accepts simple answers and lashes out at anyone who tells him he’s wrong. Trump is a stupid man smart enough to know he’s an idiot but terrified people will realise he’s an idiot. He is a weak man desperate to be recognised as a strong one. So when someone who he views as a strong man dangles the potential for their approval in front of him he wags his tail like a good little dog. The former Australian PM talked about how Trump looked at Putin with awe to the degree that it was creepy. That is why Putin worked so hard to get him elected, why Trump spends so long on phone calls with Putin and why the military might of the US has no bearing on whether or not Trump will do as Putin tells him to. Trump is also very, very willing to accept bribes in whatever form they take and shown no limits to what he is willing to sell out for those bribes.
Don’t bother. People here would rather have Putin as god-emperor than face the reality of institutional failure that got them here. Twice.
It doesn’t matter if the USA promises liberation from Russia, protection for eternity and the cure for cancer… the word of the USA means less than nothing now…
Ukraine has the same chance of benefiting if they just help that poor Nigerian Prince and use the resulting reward to buy weapons
the word of the USA means less than nothing
now…
Unbelievable. Every day, I’m amazed that a man I don’t even freaking know can piss me off this much on pretty much a daily basis. The man just literally has no shame, none, zero.
I honestly despise the fact that this man (as well as Musk) has made me into a bitter person who hates. I don’t want to hate anyone. I can feel it destroying my soul (or whatever you want to fucking call it).
Yep. The other option is to be ignorant of all the fucked up shit they do which isn’t any better 😒
The other option is to channel that hate into action. Even it’s just helping others get angry too. Once the right people (or the right amount of people) get angry enough, this can all be stopped.
The other option is to channel that hate into action.
This. The Dalai Lama is very quotable on this subject. One of my favourites is:
To be angry on behalf of those who are treated unjustly means that we have compassionate anger. This type of anger leads to right action, and leads to social change.
To be angry toward the people in power does not create change. It creates more anger, more resentment, more fighting.
There’s more here:
https://www.alwayswellwithin.com/blog/dalai-lama-quotes-compassionate-anger
It’s bitter, but let’s make lemonade. Embrace it as the fuel to drive whatever actions seem necessary and possible to you.
Take care of that light which lets you see how hate is no good, although, maybe you can yield it as a shield to brace the storm head on.
We could get philosophical about who that ‘you’ or ‘your soul’ is, which feels like being destroyed, and wether it really is. On one hand, this entity will still remain. Though not unchanged. But isn’t that a good thing? I prefer being capable of feeling pain, as it sometimes just plainly is a totally appropriate reaction or sensation. I know that feeling of breaking, but on the other hand, if I could not feel that anymore, I surely was already broken. Dull and unmoved. So in a paradoxical sense, it is an affirmation that you are fine, a fine person.
I know exactly what you mean!
Credit to Putin, it’s a good play. The only counter is for Europe to unite against both Russia and the current US government.
Theoretically possible, but unlikely unless the non-EU states also fall in line early.
What we have to realize is that, if this were WWII, the one playing Germany is now the US.
The lesson from WWII was that you do not appease the aggressor. Europe has to oppose the US. It does not matter how difficult that seems. They have to.
If not, Trump is not stopping at Ukraine. He will make demands of all of Europe while tariffing and cutting his own European defence spending the entire time.
The time to stand-up to Trump is now.
Back Ukraine. Stand up to the US. Russia is contained as long as we find Ukraine. The USA is not.
Imagine telling Americans during the second red scare, about the political climate of today. History is weird.
The reality is that the EU states are falling out.
Motherfucker looks like he’s inflated to Baron Harkonnen size
Who had Trump and Putie collude to Own Ukraine on their Fascist Dictator Bingo cards?
That’s the free space
What I am most curious about is how long ago Trump and Putin first had a discussion about this arrangement, and what the quid pro quo details are. Because of course there is one.
The Ukrainians started fighting before any guarantees and support started coming in from the west. They are fighting for their own self determination. Trump thinking he can just impose this is just not understanding that the Ukrainians can simply say no. And when they do, his all powerful persona will be exposed even more for the scam that it is.
Russian battleship and American president: fuck off!
