Ukraine Just Blew Up Russia’s Main Missile Base In Occupied Crimea
www.forbes.com
It’s fair to call the Cape Tarkhankut site the linchpin of Russian air and naval defenses across the Black Sea. Which is why the Ukrainian armed forces blew it up.
  • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.worldEnglish
    437·
    1 year ago

    Fuck Forbes. They prop up conservatives and conservative talking points. They also post screens of tweets from conservatives, like the dickbag (from this article) who referred to the Ukraine army as “Ukronazis”.

    The news of this attack is great to hear, but we should not be supporting Forbes with clicks. They are the enemy.

    • tabarnaski@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      66·
      1 year ago

      I tend to agree with you, but I also think it’s important to know how the “enemy” thinks and interpret the news. I don’t think we should lock ourselves up in echo bubbles only reading stuff we agree with.

      • Pisodeuorrior@kbin.social
        42·
        1 year ago

        In theory I’d agree with you. I don’t mind reading of nuances or different opinions than mine.

        In general however, conservative media are worthless piece of shit embarrassments that I don’t want to waste time on.

        There’s a difference between discussing with sometime with a different opinion, and stopping in the middle of the road responding to every deranged, mentally challenged ignorant mean crack addict who yells their vision of the world from the top of a soap box.

        • figaro@lemdro.idEnglish
          21·
          1 year ago

          Agreed. They don’t argue in good faith. Their goal is not honesty and truth. What’s the point in engaging with someone like that?

        • tabarnaski@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          5·
          1 year ago

          Comparing Forbes to a deranged, mentally challenged crack addict isn’t very fair, whatever your opinion is on Forbes or crack addicts.

      • Chainweasel@lemmy.worldEnglish
        29·
        1 year ago

        We don’t need to post their blatant propaganda as if it were a reliable source in order to do that though.

    • SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT@feddit.deEnglish
      48·
      1 year ago

      Forbes is just a blogging platform where “contributors” can post their clickbait. Forbes adds their reputation and the ads and then splits the profit with the “contributor”…

      • braveone@lemmy.mlEnglish
        11·
        1 year ago

        In this case you are wrong. This article is by Forbes Staff, not a contributor.

        Forbes uses one name to deliver two different products, one of which is an in house magazine.

          • macracanthorhynchus@mander.xyzEnglish
            28·
            1 year ago

            You have linked directly to an image of a Ukrainian stomping on a swastika flag. You are not making the point you think you’re making.

            • MajorJimmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
              17·
              1 year ago

              They’re trying to liken it to the Nazis, but the fact remains that almost every single military in the world has something like this as either a battle cry or affirmation. US uses several iterations such as “Hooah”, “Ooah” and “Hooyah” depending on your branch so they can feel free to start chiming in about their views on US imperialism and nationalism any time they like, but we know they won’t.

          • Honytawk@lemmy.zipEnglish
            21·
            1 year ago

            Who out there would be dumb enough to think “Ukraini” would mean either “Sieg” or “Heil” and not just mean the the sovereign nation of Ukraine?

          • FangedWyvern42@lemmy.worldEnglish
            16·
            1 year ago

            It means Glory to Ukraine. Pretty much every military has something like it (for example, Hooah or Ooh-rah for the US Military (specifically the Army and the Marines). It’s also a national salute, which a lot of countries have.

          • FiskFisk33@startrek.websiteEnglish
            16·
            1 year ago

            which translates to “say hail” in english

            https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/hail

            Verb

            hail (third-person singular simple present hails, present participle hailing, simple past and past participle hailed)

            (transitive) To greet; give salutation to; salute.

            (transitive) To name; to designate; to call. quotations ▼

            He was hailed as a hero.

            The problem with the german WWII one isn’t as much the word as who they were hailing.

            i very much doubt the Ukrainian word has the same negative connotations as the german one.

          • PastaGorgonzola@lemmy.worldEnglish
            13·
            1 year ago

            “God bless America” seems a more apt comparison. Seeing as “Sieg Heil” was meant to glorify Hitler, rather than inspire pride of the country. Besides that, comparing Ukraine to Nazi Germany seems a bit too “Russian propaganda” for my tastes.

          • madcaesar@lemmy.worldEnglish
            10·
            1 year ago

            Because, just like FOX News we don’t want to support any of their shit.

            Just because there is one berry in the mountain of feces, we don’t need to go digging for it.

            Plenty of better news sources to support anyway.

    • heef@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      1 year ago

      I agree with the referencing a horrible twitter user in the article being a bad thing, but your stance on conservatives, especially your username, is very fascist in of itself.

      • Impassionata@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        1 year ago

        is very fascist in of itself.

        No. It’s not fascist to have a firm and authoritative opinion. It is, perhaps, violent and authoritarian in outlook, but conservatives have just tolerated if not endorsed an insurrection under false pretenses and those conservatives have yet to kill the traitor responsible for it, so contemplation of violence is justified because this ‘cold civil war’ as Vivek called it is not going to end with that boomer criminal in power ever again.

    • Obinice@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      1 year ago

      Conservatives like the Tories, who are like"fascist-lite", or conservatives like USA conservatives, who are full on “nazi level fascists”? 😅

      I think Forbes is scummy for many reasons and never liked them, you’ve given me another reason to dislike them.

    • Filipdaflippa@lemmy.mlEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      Are you suggesting there isn’t nazis in Ukraine’s armed forces? Take a look at the cemeteries for the soldiers, you will notice some weird flags flying.

    • oatscoop@midwest.socialEnglish
      36·
      1 year ago

      I’d agree, yet I keep seeing people argue the counteroffensive is going poorly for Ukraine because they’re not making serious gains in recapturing territory. People forget that there are many ways to “win” a war: one of which is the enemy simply giving up and withdrawing. Chipping away at the enemy’s ability or will to continue fighting is a path to victory.

      You don’t need to steamroll the enemy if you make it militarily, politically, or economically untenable for them to hold a position.

    • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      1 year ago

      I remember reading recently that Western powers assessed why the counter offensive wasn’t working as well as it could, and they determined it was troop placement I believe. I’m willing to bet they provided advice here to get them back on track.

      • KevonLooney@lemm.eeEnglish
        21·
        1 year ago

        Well, there are tons of minefields and dug in defenders too. I would 100% not want to be attacking that. Supposedly the Russians put two mines on top of each other so even mine resistant vehicles aren’t safe.

        Although I recently read that the Ukrainians only need to push about 10 or 15 KM more. They won’t be at the Azov Sea but their artillery will cover the area. That means no private trucks will want to supply Crimea from that direction. So they are close.

        The Ukrainians are literally fighting a war for their homes. The Russians are not. This is Vietnam all over again. There’s no way for Russia to “win” unless they just leave and falsely claim victory.

        • GoodEye8@lemm.eeEnglish
          12·
          1 year ago

          It really isn’t like Vietnam.

          The US was extremely effective in Vietnam, I think it was something like 50k US KIA/MIA and 800k north Vietnam. If the US wanted to just steamroll the entire country they could’ve done it with relative ease. US lost because they didn’t want to steamroll, they wanted the southern Vietnam to take the ground after the US wiped the enemy out and it just didn’t work. US lost not because they couldn’t win, but because they chose a strategy that didn’t let them win. The US lost to their own arrogance.

          Russia isn’t even effective, Ukraine is doing a much better job at killing than Russia. And Russia actually wanted to steamroll Ukraine, and failed critically. Russia will most likely lose because they actually can’t win. Russia will lose to their own incompetence.

        • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
          6·
          1 year ago

          Yeah for as boneheadedly stupid as Russia has demonstrated themselves to be throughout this engagement, last years thunder runs were never going to be as successful this year as they were last year. Last years deep penetrating attacks were fun for watching the lines on the map move, but ultimately lacked grand operational value. They were high strategic value, to be sure, as they boosted morale, but the factors of asymmetric warfare are shifting. Russia will continue to have more materiel but aide has been balancing that, meanwhile Ukraine is receiving higher quality equipment and better trained operatives. I think the two big changes are Russia is learning lessons from last year and being more defensive this year, and similarly, Ukraine has been forced to learn their allies are much more willing to provide military aide for field testing than they are to provide the strategic goods Ukraine needs to take care of their populace. The result is Ukraine has much more offensive capabilities but is more interested in bolstering defenses to enter winter when the strategic value of glass increases.

          Both sides are much less interested in knock out blows now that they’ve penetrated the others defenses and realized they don’t have the capabilities to execute those. The war has slowed down as both sides try to make sustainable holdable advances as well as bleed the other side faster than their own side bleeds to death. The question is, does Russia have more blood to bleed that Ukraine can ever draw, or is Ukraine bleeding faster than they can sustain long enough to bleed Russia out. I’m no expert, but my observation is that it seems like Russia is overly confident in how much blood they have. Sure the Wagner rebellion fizzled out and Preghozhin is presumed dead, but everyone saw it. The Russian populace is starting to get uncomfortable with the numbers of rapists and murders receiving pardons to go rape and murder Ukrainians before returning home to continue their vile ways. The Russian populace experienced something like 1 year of freedom following the fall of the Soviet Union before the current fascist movement took power and has over 1000 years of learned helplessness, but Putin is seemingly pushing every single button and pulling every single lever that could result in his people finally saying “enough is enough”

    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.worldEnglish
      71·
      1 year ago

      I had to reread that twice to realize you weren’t upset at hexagons, and was wondering where you had found graphics of the Ukrainian war superimposed on turn based battle hex maps

      • lingh0e@lemmy.filmEnglish
        104·
        1 year ago

        lemmy.world defederated from a instance full of pro-russia shitheel trolls who would ruin any discussions regarding Ukraine. It’s very nice not having to scroll through their propaganda.

        • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
          91·
          1 year ago

          Being pro Russia because you’re pro communist is so fucking weird to me. The Russian federation is an imperialist capitalist oligarchical fascist state.

            • M0oP0o@mander.xyzEnglish
              17·
              1 year ago

              They hate the US so much they have to bring it up continuously, everywhere and more so if the post has nothing to do with the US.

              • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
                25·
                1 year ago

                And look. I get being critical of the US, we’re a mess, but the solution to the problems in our country isn’t a slightly different authoritarian regime

                • lingh0e@lemmy.filmEnglish
                  12·
                  1 year ago

                  Fucking seriously. I’m all for smashing the system, but those assholes have more in common with my racist Trump voting relatives than… you know… good people.

                • The Snark Urge@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  7·
                  1 year ago

                  It’s been almost two months since I got here, and I’m still not used to seeing blatantly nuanced and sensible views. I might be a little damaged.

            • severien@lemmy.worldEnglish
              6·
              1 year ago

              I get what you’re saying, but I disagree with “make a lot more sense”. It still doesn’t make logical sense, but this is how these people indeed think.

              • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                2·
                1 year ago

                Oh it doesnt make sense for anyone with any ampunt of logical reasoning, but it atleast give an explanation how their reasoning works.

            • SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              2·
              1 year ago

              This is the correct take. They aren’t pro-Russia because they’re “communists”, they’re pro-Russia because they’re anti-west, even if that means looking the other way when there’s imperialism of the unexpected color.

          • lemme_at_it@lemmy.worldEnglish
            14·
            1 year ago

            Being pro Russia because ‘own the left’ and ‘our guy has autocratic dreams’ is even weirder

            • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
              3·
              1 year ago

              I swear to god it seemed like there was a massive shift in pro Russian sentiment when we all found out Russia had interfered in the 2016 election because

              1. Obama was doing sanctions about it and a certain group of people is always anti Obama, regardless of what that means, politically
              2. Russia had interfered on behalf of the guy they wanted, therefore Russian interference good
          • Astroturfed@lemmy.worldEnglish
            7·
            1 year ago

            Logic has no place in that weird mob mentality. They’re basically pro fascism, just you know the fascists that aren’t Western. Makes it good fascism somehow.

          • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.caEnglish
            6·
            1 year ago

            Because they’re not communists, they’re just fascists that don’t like being called fascists.

            • SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              2·
              1 year ago

              The lengths to which they cry just because people use the word “tankie” is ludicrous. They also have this custom to equate “tankie” and “communist” the same way not too politically literate right wingers do.

              • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.caEnglish
                1·
                1 year ago

                Yeah it’s all down to the political spectrum bullshit. Far left and far right are complete opposite ends of the spectrum so therefore completely antithetical to one another!

                Meanwhile in the real world, fascists and communists (well at least the Leninist/Maoist/Stalinist ones) are all just authoritarians with slightly different rationalizations for it. I kinda feel like the only reason the concept of left/right political spectrum even exists is so some authoritarians in academic circles can claim to be nothing like the Nazis.

          • lingh0e@lemmy.filmEnglish
            14·
            1 year ago

            No. They are not.

            Half of them are the obnoxious trust fund goons who lived on your floor in the dorms and had posters of Che on their walls. They generally came from wealth and this anti-capitalist rhetoric is just them rebelling against their parents. Their dad is probably a non-practicing jew who drives a VW Phaeton . They don’t know their birth mothers too well but their step moms are probably women who graduated from high school two classes ahead of themselves. The obnoxious goons who base their entire personality on these kinds of interactions, they pride themselves on being “disliked for speaking truth to power”.

            The other half are shitheel trolls who are too wrapped up in their own attempts at edgy bullshit to understand the difference between “it’s just a joke, bro” and “just drink the fucking kool-aid, bro”.

            Neither of those groups have any sense of self awareness.

            So nah, they aren’t communists.

    • I_hate_you_welcome@feddit.nlEnglish
      10·
      1 year ago

      Thank god, they flamed the crap out of me a couple of days ago, I thought this was what Lemmy was turning into and considered actually leaving.

      • eee@lemm.eeEnglish
        7·
        1 year ago

        I just block anyone who trolls. It takes a while, but the more you block, the less they become a problem.

          • SwigglesEnglish
            3·
            1 year ago

            Kinda. They still appear with a message telling you that they are blocked. You can press a button to show the comment anyway. It is like a soft block where you can decide whether you want to read a comment or not.

  • PottedPlant@lemmy.worldEnglish
    105·
    1 year ago

    The messaging coming from Budenov, the Ukrainian head of intelligence:

    “We have the ability to hit any part of the temporarily occupied Crimea as of now. Absolutely at any point we can get the enemy. Those who have done stupid things, it’s better for them to leave,”

    “And those who are waiting must prepare and do everything to help, first of all, the intelligence agencies, and then further, when the troops go into the open.”

    Psyops for sure, but part of me wants it to happen. Now with this battery gone it definitely sets the stage.

    • andrei_chiffa@lemmy.worldEnglish
      22·
      1 year ago

      I don’t think it’s only a psyops.

      One think is getting hit by drones and missiles. It’s a whole different level to not spot a landing squad crossing almost 100km of sea, land and blow up your critical military installation.

      They likely already did it last year, when they blew up planes on a Russian base in Crimea, but it is nice to see that they still very much can do it.

      • M0oP0o@mander.xyzEnglish
        9·
        1 year ago

        russia seems to be bad at spotting and stopping anything armed in territory not currently on the front (or maybe there too?).

      • Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        That is one of the key points of this war. The Russian army is an army of the age of tanks, with a handful of air support and some missiles. The Ukrainian army has already entered the age of drones, and uses it wisely.

    • lemme_at_it@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      1 year ago

      I read a theory about why Ukraine has not completely destroyed the bridge to Crimea, even if they were able to, was to leave a way out & not fight the occupying troops into a corner, at which point their destructive unpredictability is worse than just letting them leave . This could be similar

      • severien@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        1 year ago

        No, that doesn’t make a lot of sense. Russia has enough boats/ships to evacuate Crimea if they wanted. They used to supply the whole Crimea woth ships before the bridge was built.

        If Ukraine could, they would definitely destroy the bridge. But it’s just very difficult task.

        • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          1 year ago

          Putin would forbid any evacuation plans. A bridge allows scared soldiers a way to run away without permission from command.

          • severien@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            WTF, the bridge has checkpoints on both sides, you’re not going to somehow sneak thousands of soldiers.

              • severien@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                1 year ago

                You think they would mutiny? Then they can just steal some of the many ships in the harbors.

                And again, 20 km long bridge is a perfect place to destroy / stop whatever you want. It’s a chokepoint, hell to get through if the other sode doesn’t want to let you go through.