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    They want something not that different from the Taliban. Subservient women existing only to make and raise kids.

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    I will feel mad as fuck for you and use this as evidence when people say these EOs aren’t hurting anyone other than illegal immigrants.

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    I thought my dad would have come around by now with everything going on. Last night he was gloating about how much work is getting done in the White House and how everything’s about to get a lot cheaper.

    Insanity.

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      Same with my Mom. I told her “yeah, Mussolini did a good job making the trains run on time”. She never responded.

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      Then, you should challenge him and make him set a deadline for when everything is supposed to be a lot cheaper. When people starts to get sidetracked from thinking critically, that’s when you need to make them set an ultimatum that either forces them to think critically, or make them set their own limit that you can then point back to later.

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        That only works for people who haven’t taught themselves to ignore constant cognitive dissonance.

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      His only concern is himself, he thinks he’ll benefit so everyone else can suffer as far as he is concerned. This is the broad motivation of the entire movement. As if America first didn’t make it obvious enough, it was really “me first”. What they don’t understand is how the me in that is entirely relative and they quickly become expendable.

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      I mean, that’s the real trump derangement syndrome. People who are outside of reality because of their support of the man.

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    So how much longer before we get pissed enough to start doing something about it? I’m a white CIS heterosexual male and this is infuriating to me. This isn’t correction of DEI policies. This is blatant sexism and racism. Fuck these nazis.

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      Look into your local PSL or DSA. Us socialist are on the top of the leaderboard for Nazi killing and it’s not even close. Join the SRA too. This shits not going away with votes. Fascism doesn’t let you vote it out of power.

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      Fuck these nazis.

      Are you going to storm the Capitol like your granddads stormed the beaches of Normandy? Are you going to only bitch about it on the internet, or are you actually going to do something about it - storming the Capitol not necessarily has to be a part of it - you can plan a better alternative.

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        Typical American response. Yeehaw you gonna kill some people er what!?

        Attacking each other is not going to solve this problem because the wealthy have been pitting us against each other for a long time now. It was the wealthy that caused WWII and every other major war where everyone but them ends up dying.

        I agree there are better alternatives.

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          Yeah me too. Storming anything is not likely the solution. If we get to the point of all out violence a lot can be lost in a short amount of time. But organizing protests or work stoppages can and do work with enough participation. But there’s the problem, enough participation. I don’t really know what the solution is but I am willing to participate even if it hurts. This shit ain’t right.

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            The original comment is a dumb way to say it. But fascism doesn’t let you vote it out of power. Fascism doesn’t respond peacefully to peaceful protest either. Organized resistance will require violence in response to the inevitable violence of the state. The key word here being organized. The time for peaceful organization and voting has passed. Once fascist are in power the only thing to be done in the political arena is meant to delay while an organized resistance force can be formed. I highly doubt that will happen. But history tells us that this is the only viable option. All other efforts are only meant to delay. But if you’re only delaying and not organizing actual armed resistance than your delay is without purpose.

            Storming the capital is dumb. Hardening your local neighborhood with an armed resistance and safe harbor for the targets of the fascist is where efforts should be put. This is about saving lives and building allies locally. It’s the best place to put effort right now to protect the first targets of the fascist. Right now that is undocumented people. But they won’t stop there. They never do.

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        You have to figure out how to reach people and get them off of the social media and bullshit news.

        Someone like that I would say, “who told you that? Mark Zuckerburg? That guys a fuckin’ greedy little creep. Fuck that guy.”

        But you can’t be too much of an asshole, you have to “rib” them and act like it’s kind of funny.

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      I watched AOC’s “What’s Happening & How You Can Take Action” video and thought it was really impactful, so much so I decided to write up a summary of the insights, copy pasted below.

      TL;TR for what you can do about it:

      1. Know your rights and teach other people their rights
      2. Contact your representative
      3. Help organize for Florida special elections to elect Gay Valimont & Joshua Weil

      Additional stuff that may be useful eventually:

      1. If something like war ever breaks out, engage in simple sabotage when you can. Short preview of link: “Whenever possible, arrange to have the fire start after you have gone away. Use a candle and paper, combination, setting it as close as possible to the inflammable material you want to burn”

      However, we’re not currently there yet. We don’t need to wait until things get impossibly bad before taking action. If you think all that stuff like “contacting representatives” & “organizing for elections” will do is slow our collective downfall, then realize that a slowed downfall means more time to organize a resistance and more time for vulnerable groups to escape the country.

      Also, feel free to copy-paste this excerpt anywhere if you’d like!

      TL;TR End


      Insights from “What’s Happening & How You Can Take Action” by AOC:

      Executive Orders are not that powerful: For all the Executive Orders being signed, know that they’re not actually as powerful as they might seem. Congress can block Executive Orders, courts can block Executive Orders (you might have heard of this being done for the EO ending birthright citizenship), and they’re essentially more limited in scope/permanence than actually signed laws. In fact, much of the EOs Trump has signed are meaningless or completely unconstitutional, which is not a pointless distinction, because as mentioned before, courts are blocking these EOs.

      Fascist dictators thrive on perceived power instead of actual power. They want to “flood the zone,” pump out so much terrible nonsense the populace becomes overwhelmed and docile. Don’t believe them, don’t become docile and don’t consent in advance. The reason Trump is using Executive Orders instead of actual laws is because he knows he only has a slim majority in the House (218R-215D, ie 2R’s could flip a vote, 2 vacancies in FL to be voted on 4/1, 1 R departure in NY-21 to be up for another special election)/Senate (53R-47D/I, ie 4R’s could flip a vote), and he doesn’t want his perceived power to crumble, such as when 3 GOP Senators John McCain, Susan Collins, and Lisa Murkowski blocked an Obamacare Repeal Bill “Health Care Freedom Act” from going through in 2017.

      (In this case, by erasing this womans history NASA is doing a little thing called complying in advance.)

      Action Being Done by Democrats: Apparently Trump did a bunch of stuff while Congress was on recess, and they only got back in session Feb 5th, which was why there hasn’t been much news from democrats. House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries recently released a 10 objectives plan for House Democrats to obstruct the administration

      What You Can Do: While I’m sure we’re all positively exhausted with everything going on, at a minimum, you can know your rights regarding ICE Raids: Don’t let them in without a Judicial warrant signed by a Judge, don’t answer their questions even if you are a citizen, don’t talk to them without a lawyer. If you have extra energy, you can:

      1. Educate people on their rights by printing up Know Your Rights Cards to hand out
      2. Contact your Representatives urging them to obstruct Trump nominees while Elon is invading the Treasury
      3. Help Organize for the Florida special elections 4/1 for the House of Representatives. While it would be difficult for these +30R seats to flip (Note in the Jan 29th Iowa special election for Senate (a state Trump won by +21) actually flipped to Democrats), even switching a +30R district to a +10R district lets Republicans know their policies are unpopular and they should think twice before supporting Trump’s policies. Additionally, there will eventually be another special election to fill a House of Representatives Republican vacancy up for grabs in NY-21.
      4. Help Organize for other Swing Elections near you

      Additional stuff that may be useful eventually:

      1. If something like war ever breaks out, engage in simple sabotage when you can (short preview: “Whenever possible, arrange to have the fire start after you have gone away. Use a candle and paper, combination, setting it as close as possible to the inflammable material you want to burn”)

      However, we’re not currently there yet. We don’t need to wait until things get impossibly bad before taking action. If you think all that stuff like “contacting representatives” & “organizing for elections” will do is slow our collective downfall, then realize that a slowed downfall means more time to organize a resistance and more time for vulnerable groups to escape the country.

      Contacting your Representatives: To contact your representatives, you can make a short 2 min phone call to their office, which will either be picked up by a staffer or go to voicemail. Representatives listen to phone calls when trying to get a sense of what their constituents care about, but other forms of contact (email, text, etc) are by and large ignored. Additionally, you should say where you live, because representatives only care about what their constituents think, not outside people. Note that the voicemails only record up to 2 min so be brief. You can find your representatives phone numbers at https://www.congress.gov/members/find-your-member

      To express your views to your representatives, the format goes like this: “Hi, my name is [Name] and I live in [City, State, Zip Code]. I wanted to ask for your support on [Policy, Bill, etc]. [Anecdote if you have one to be more personalized]. Thank you for listening, my phone number is [Phone Number] and my email is [Email].”

      I personally have just called my senators to let them know I want them to vote NO on advancing/approving all Trump nominees, and that I supported them continuing obstructionist actions including the 30hr filibuster against Russ Vought, Trump’s Director of the Office of Management and Budget pick. Florida 4/1 Special Elections for 2 House of Representative Members: Summary, trying to elect Gay Valimont (D) District 1 & Joshua Weil (D) District 6. You can sign up to volunteer on their websites (linked) if you’d like.

      New York-21 Eventual Special Election for 1 House of Representative Member: Elise Stefanik ® will be vacating her seat to become the U.N. Ambassador for the Trump administration, after which within 80-90 days a special election will be held for a new House member. While it’s somewhat of a pipe dream, if Dems win all 3 of these House seats up for grabs, it puts the House at 218D-217R.


      I hope this helped you get a sense of what you can do, feel free to copy-paste this anywhere if you’d like!

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      If someone starts a revolution I’d join the fight. “And just because he’s a worker, no class can free him but his own. The emancipation of the working class is the task of the worker alone.”

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        Isn’t that part of the problem? Everyone is waiting for the revolution to start. Everyone is waiting for the next Luigi. Everyone is waiting.

        Nothing’s getting better, but someone will come and fix all these problems any time now and I’ll be on their side!

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          Are you volunteering? 😅

          That’s the thing, though. As long as most people can comfortably skate by, that’s exactly what they’ll do. But, push come to shove, should things get bad enough, that’s when revolt happens.

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            No, I’m not volunteering because I don’t think either thing will work. But the people calling for those things to happen are waiting for someone else to do it.

            Also, how are things not bad enough right now? They’re sending people to Gitmo. Trump and Musk fired people who are responsible for safeguarding our nuclear weapons because they didn’t know what they did. People didn’t even notice despite it being all over the news. Or at least they didn’t notice enough to pick up their torches and pitchforks.

            And that’s just the latest horrific thing he’s done in the past three weeks.

            So what’s it going to take?

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              It’s going to take a direct impact on peoples’ lives. If the average person can continue to go to work, get a paycheck, and overpay for but afford groceries for their family, that’s what they’re going to do.

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      The problem is, where do we start? We’ve been, er, “taking the L” for so long, when are we going to start giving the L?

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          No. Fuck the Green Party. They’ve disappeared immediately after the election like they always do, and we will not hear about them again for another four years.

          They are not a real party.

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            Can someone explain why all this hatred for the green party? I don’t know anything about them but I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason for that is active silencing.

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          Go piss in the wind! The US Green Party is not the same as the European versions, with exception to the turd and loser, Joschka Fischer.

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      So how much longer before we get pissed enough to start doing something about it?

      Says the guy making no note of anything he is doing about it.

      The people in power aren’t going to do anything about it because they want it this way.

      Half the regular people also want it this way

      Of the people left, somewhere around 50% don’t care either way.

      And of the last people left who do care, probably at least half of those aren’t doing anything < this is presumably where you are.

      You can’t just sit around and expect everyone else to be as angry or angrier than you and expect everything to work out because THEY’LL do something about it.

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        Half the regular people also want it this way

        Only 28% of adults voted for this and lots of Trump voters just wanted the cheaper groceries that Trump promised them (he lied).

        So please don’t spread the lie that Trump has majority support or any kind of mandate. He doesn’t. Over a 100 million people didn’t bother to vote because they have no faith or hope that voting can improve their lives. They aren’t wrong. At best, electing Democrats is just a stay of execution.

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        You can’t really assume people aren’t organizing themselves just from a post like that. Its also bad for opsec to just post what you are up to online. Plenty of people are, there just aren’t enough people as people are stuck in the mindset that the systems haven’t collapsed yet so there is no need to build up a safety net.

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      Well let’s see… This country has been dealing with these issues for the entirety of its existence, so the time to start doing something about it has long passed.

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    DEI is bad! Treat everyone based on their merits! Remove the bio pages for anyone not white and male!

    … ?

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      The current admin cabinet hires are completely based on DEI. What other companies would hire such a diverse cadre of alcoholics, rapists, and idiots, while most companies tend to hire on merit.

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      Diversity, equity, and inclusion get in the way of their nepotism and cronyism hiring. If they were hiring based on merit alone there would be no problem being transparent and publishing their hiring decisions.

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      It’s been said better by other people but the general understanding of the right’s use of “DEI” is as a convenient blanket slur.

      It’s typically used against Black and Hispanic people the most, followed by trans people, but any/all women are convenient extra padding under the bus tires of their bigotry and insecurity.

      Remember that their fascism is based in feelings of superiority in addition to fear. Use that against the cowardly bastards. They can’t stand to see someone “undeserving” do as well as or better than them, so they try to mow it down.

      Fuck ‘em.

      EDIT: It seems like Rose Ferreira is of Hispanic descent, hailing initially from the Dominican Republic then moved to NY and eventually secured an internship at NASA, and is now an astronomer and aerospace engineer. It seems like her NASA page got reinstated, maybe after backlash. She’s awesome. Hell yeah for the Streisand effect.

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        Remember that their fascism is based in feelings of superiority in addition to fear.

        Hi, it’s me, I’m the “well akshuslly” guy today. Fascism (and the whole right-wing mindset) is based on fear, primarily fear that they, personally and individually, are interior. That’s why they need the constant and over-the-top demonstrations of dominance and claims of superiority—to drown out those fears.

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          I appreciate where you’re coming from. I said it the way I did because for some, at least from my observation, there is a sick sadism to it rather than fear alone.

          Academic definitions would agree with you and it does hold true for the general populace; however I wanted to add the caveat so as not to mistakenly give the impression that fascists should be pitied, in any capacity.

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        They can’t stand to see someone “undeserving” do as well as or better than them, so they try to mow it down.

        in australia and new zealand we have a concept called “tall poppy syndrome” (people who stand out from the crowd, who promote themselves excessively and publicly) and the reaction to that: “cutting down the tall poppy”. cutting down the tall poppy originally meant just bringing them back down to earth, but kinda morphed into simply criticising anyone that does well

        we tend to have a relatively strong egalitarian streak, and perhaps that change was tearing people down rather than distributing their success to equalise

        anyway, related: tearing down the tall poppy, ie pulling down anyone that stands out

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        Oh absolutely. Anyone who rails against “DEI” is by definition a white supremacist.

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          Anyone who rails against “DEI” is by definition a white supremacist.

          This is such a backwards take. “DEI” could always only end in misery, because it pulls people ahead of the line in a time when the working people are already having a hard time. “Is that person hired because of the colour of their skin or the sex of their body, or have they been hired because they’re actually good?”. It could only make a large part of the population feeling left behind because of their sex or race. What do you think that does to the social foundation of a nation?

          Alas, I have no idea what a good alternative would be, but I always recognized “DEI” as a bad idea. I don’t have to be a chef to be able to tell that this dish tastes like ass, even if I can’t cook for shit myself.

          That does not make me (or anyone else who thinks DEI is ass) a white supremacist “by definition”.

          At the end of the day, it’s the ultrarich hoarding all the money that’s the actual issue - an economy that’s not fair to the citizens of the nation. The top 3 wealthiest persons in the USA have the same amount of money as the bottom 50%.

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          Not necessarily. They might be a misogynist, a militant christian or some other form of bigot as well. That’s the beauty of it, you can be “against DEI” as well as a woman or someone with more melanin than the “default” and you get to imagine they don’t hate you, just all those other people.

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        Everyone seems to forget that DEI as a name for these programs started during the first Trump admin.

        DEI has always been a ruse.

        They “embraced” these concepts to get all of the existing programs to label themselves as such.

        They let Biden “extend” these programs so that anything supporting non-white-males would group together under the same banner.

        Now they are “extinguishing” the whole lot of them now that it’s nice and easy and their targets have huddled together and identified themselves.

        There was a complex network of programs doing these jobs before DEI existed. DEI was a ruse to centralize them so they could be extinguished.

        They built the barrel, then used fascist rhetoric to get all the fish to group together in the barrel. Now they’re shooting the fish in the barrel.

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          I’d love to believe it.
          I can’t find anything backing this up.
          The has become a wall of text. Sorry.


          1st half of this post is refuting “trump defined DEI”. I would live to be proved wrong on this, but it seems like something that happened during trump and was defined by Biden.
          2nd half is more positive.


          1st half…

          Mostly sourced from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity,_equity,_and_inclusion ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity,_equity,_and_inclusion incase the commas fuck up formatting).

          I don’t know when DEI actually became the official term. Probably during the Biden administration .
          According to wiki, however, DEI has been around since the 60s, in principle.

          Executive Orders that first mention “equity” along side diversity and inclusion seems to be https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13583 an Obama EO.

          The best I can find relating to what you say is along the lines of this:
          https://www.britannica.com/topic/diversity-equity-and-inclusion-programs

          Basically, government bodies using their autonomy to enact DEI policies in response to #MeToo, #BlackLivesMatter, George Floyd, and lots of other public sentiment & unrest. However nothing official at the government level of “DEI”.
          Essentially, trump was asleep at the wheel with COVID and civil unrest, did fuck all (or encouraged civil unrest), and government bodies (which still had autonomy) enacted policies inline with the population.

          So, what constitutes DEI?
          What the right is defining it as? What it has been since the 60s? What Biden enacted? What the government bodies enacted during sleepy trump?


          The 2nd half:

          Being against DEI is like being against Antifa, or declaring Antifa a terrorist organisation. It’s not really a thing.
          DEI is the awareness that previous centuries of discrimination no longer applies.
          DEI isn’t a tangible thing. It’s humanity.
          It didn’t happen during trump’s first term. But it did progress.
          It didn’t happen during Bidens term. But it did progress.
          That is humanity. Humanity progresses. Humanity is love, equality and freedom for all.


          And a bit more ideologically…

          Progress in the next 4 years is gonna be slow.
          But everyone has worked on this before. It’s a hiatus. It will come back, and will be easier and more streamlined than before. Loads of people are backing up data, so it can be (relatively) easily restored. None of this has to be worked out again, nothing shared on the internet can truly die, ideas can’t be killed.
          It’s gonna be 4 years of shit.
          Hopefully Americans learn, and don’t vote in more conservatives.


          Hopefully Americans get a chance to vote in another party.

          Edit: typo, equality not equity

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            Thank you so much for your work on this.

            My post that you are replying to is mostly a tongue-in-cheek commentary on how programs that have existed for decades self-labeled as something that the right was able to rally against, thereby making themselves a single large target instead of a decentralized force distributed across agencies.

            I just know that I first started seeing “DEI” as a label pop up in the first Trump admin. Frankly, in 2018, it was called “Climate and Diversity” in my local environment. Shortly thereafter it got relabeled.

            DEI has been around since the 60s, in principle.

            Yup! Remember how I said that before it was labeled there was a complex network of programs doing this job? DEI is more of a label than a program. I fully agree.

            So, what constitutes DEI?
            What the right is defining it as? What it has been since the 60s? What Biden enacted? What the government bodies enacted during sleepy trump?

            It’s not well defined! It’s a scare word. It’s a label that we lined up behind that unintentionally made it easy for antiracist programs to be identified and targeted.

            Being against DEI is like being against Antifa, or declaring Antifa a terrorist organisation. It’s not really a thing.
            DEI is the awareness that previous centuries of discrimination no longer applies.
            DEI isn’t a tangible thing. It’s humanity.
            It didn’t happen during trump’s first term. But it did progress.
            It didn’t happen during Bidens term. But it did progress.
            That is humanity. Humanity progresses. Humanity is love, equity and freedom for all.

            I can’t agree more! The label of DEI just makes these programs easier to find. This us true both for people seeking assistance from these programs and for people seeking to dismantle them. Such identification is a double-edged sword, and that’s what my depressed brain was trying to communicate.

            Progress in the next 4 years is gonna be slow.
            But everyone has worked on this before. It’s a hiatus. It will come back, and will be easier and more streamlined than before. Loads of people are backing up data, so it can be (relatively) easily restored. None of this has to be worked out again, nothing shared on the internet can truly die, ideas can’t be killed.
            It’s gonna be 4 years of shit.
            Hopefully Americans learn, and don’t vote in more conservatives.


            Hopefully Americans get a chance to vote in another party.

            I love you. Thank you for this message of hope. I’m sorry to qualify it by saying: just because data can be restored, doesn’t mean that people or careers can be.

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              Nice.
              With the tongue in cheek context, I understand your comment more: DEI (as an idea & movement) blossomed under trumps first term, because of the bullshit he caused and the reaction of the public.
              The government had actual civil servants (as opposed to appointed oppressors or whatever), and reacted in a sensible way.

              But yeh, the damage being done to people is unimaginable. People’s entire careers are being deleted from public records because they are a woman in STEM, or because they are the wrong colour, or because they don’t fit Christians opinion of normal. It’s fucked up

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                I don’t have to imagine it. Part of why I’m grumpy and bitching on the internet is that I’ve found myself unemployed with a deleted career and an almost-finished phd. I’m kind of at a loss for what to do or what comes next or how I’ll pay rent in two weeks. I’m scared and I was victim blaming myself. Thanks for helping to contextualize my pain and pull me back to reality. I’m doing a lot better now after talking to people on lemmy than I was last night or even this morning.

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                  You mentioned space science, right? I’m an engineer at an aerospace company, feel free to message me if you want to chat about the industry, I’d love to help if I can.

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                  Yeh, venting on the internet helps. And it’s always great when you actually connect with someone.

                  I always wish I’d learned a trade. Electrician, plumber or tiler. Get an apprenticeship, learn a trade, be a sole trader, do something physical that’s always in demand.
                  Plenty out there to do, and it’s ok to mourn your last job (being a student/doctorate is a job).
                  Connect with old friends and family. Meet some new people. Somebody will be looking for someone smart and compassionate

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        As I keep telling people, they keep saying “DEI” because even most Bible belt folks get uncomfortable when you drop the hard R they really want to say.

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      Women and visible minorities are often given the absolute worst conditions for getting out of the shit cycle started by white dudes. This can mean that they don’t have great scores on tests and stuff and that can look like they are, by default, not as smart if you’re the kind of person whose brain is barely firing enough to allow you to breathe.

      So you extend that out and suddenly it’s “wait if they get hired at all and they’re not as smart that means they don’t deserve it!”. DEI does, I’m sure, bring some people in that might not be the best candidates but it never brings in people who are unqualified for the job like the racists believe, and the even the metric for “best” on paper is clouded by the aforementioned lack of support.

      They’re connected because these people believe that there’s no way a straight white male would ever lose to a minority or a woman despite the fact that most of the people who believe it are huge losers barely stumbling through life while ignoring the fact that they are supported by everyone else.

      I’m a straight, white dude whose parents can financially support me when I need it shit’s hard enough as-is. To act like I don’t have serious privilege and like so many people don’t have it even worse than me…god I can’t even fathom that level of self-centered egotism.

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        If someone hired someone provably less qualified that would be easy grounds for a discrimination lawsuit. The problem is actually usually the opposite. People from disadvantaged groups often have to work way harder and be way more qualified just to be treated equally in society.

        DEI isn’t about who we hire and fire specifically but about how we as a society of institutions act overall. People in DEI might review the hiring and firing practices more holistically as one part of their job. Possibly focusing on recruiting practices including all communities (who are you advertising the job to?), job descriptions being simplified and more honest to what is actually required (broadening who qualifies), training hiring and firing authorities about unconscious bias, etc. That enables them to follow the eeoc laws and truly hire people that are most qualified while having a more representative candidate pool, resulting in a more representative group of employees. When you’re correcting your hiring practices to be more equitable, you don’t need to hire people less qualified.

        DEI would also be how they are treated once there, how the organization treats their staff in a fair and equitable manner. How current policies and processes can be changed to remove structural bias. How to best utilize a broad range of perspectives to improve your organization. For business often how you can include a broader range of targets to market to, etc. Analyzing the structure as a whole for institutional bias. That’s all DEI.

        The right has perverted the concept of DEI to make people believe unqualified people are landing positions when that’s not what DEI is even there for.

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    The 1950s boom was built on two things. Subsidizing a middle class instead of corporate (awesome). And the notion that a mediocre white male was more valuable in any job role than a woman or a non-white male.

    The 1950s was, in part, built on the backs of women sent home from jobs after the war to have those jobs taken by folks who may or may not have been less qualified, as it was based entirely on gender, and to lesser extent, color.

    Woman’s minds were squandered. I encourage you to ask about grandma back in the day. How mean was she? How mentally I’ll was she? How many suicides or addictions occurred? The mean stories abound at this time for a reason. Alternatively there’s the paper thin personality-less woman who avoids anything even remotely confrontational.

    Ask your family.

    Equality before the law is introduced and a subset of men who don’t have coping skills for not having power over other human beings, lack capacity to stand as an individual, lose their collective shit.

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      Three things, don’t forget that American companies got a lot of European contracts to help rebuild after WWII. There’s too many people out there that ignore that influx of money and try to say the economic boom of the 50s was because misogyny and racism worked.

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        Good point, saying the quiet part out loud. There will always be That Guy from the low coping skills set who will try to make that argument.

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    It happened to me in October 2018 and again in April 2024. Erasure by DEI programs and of the people supported by them kills a part of you.

    You never really know how to feel. You just get increasingly dead inside.

    At least I have two weeks of food left.

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      Erasure of DEI programs? DEI doesn’t erase I just wanna make sure I’m understanding you properly.

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        DEI programs absolutely erased people.

        They erased me for being intersex and not conforming to their stereotypes of gender diversity / transness.

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              I think they’re clarifying that the removal of the DEI program erased you, not the DEI program itself. It’s a small nit to pick, but then you confirmed it, so I think they just got confused. Words are hard sometimes

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                  You should explain in more detail how that can possibly be the case. What other extenuating circumstances were there? What community or region did this occur in? I’m sorry if this is a hurt you didn’t want to discuss but this makes no sense in the context of DEI programs and their intention.

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                  So the DEI program wasn’t inclusive enough? Would the situation have been better without the DEI program? Just trying to understand the issue, typically DEI has the effect of increasing visibility but it sounds like you had the opposite experience.

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        That’s what it claims to mean, but that’s frankly not how it was implemented.

        Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion are fabulous ideals that result in better science that improves the lives of more people. If properly implemented, they create a better workplace ecosystem that better serves its employees and our nation/planet/community.

        I wish that DEI programs didn’t stand for Demonization, Exclusion, and Inequity.

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          I’ve been reading the whole thread and it looks like you’re blaming an entire program for the bad experience you had with a particular group of people.

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            A particular group of people… who ran the program and used it as a tool of oppression.

            Because of this, I think that it’s valid that I direct my criticisms towards the program. Would you rather I start rattling off names? Or should I focus on the structural inequities that enabled and rewarded these bad actors?

            I suspect that these overreaches of power contributed to the rampant public animosity towards these programs and enabled fascism.

            I hope that someone learns from my criticisms so that we can prevent what happened last year from happening again.

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              Because of this, I think that it’s valid that I direct my criticisms towards the program

              That is exactly the incel mentality. These people did me wrong so I will blame the entirety of what, in my eyes, they represent.

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                No, it’s not incel mentality.

                It’s the mentality of addressing structural issues and inequities instead of symptomatic bad actors.

                It’s the mentality of trying to fix broken systems that wronged me.

                Inequality is structural and needs to be addressed structurally if we want to solve it.

                Blaming people and trying to get revenge by punishing them is the mentality that created the problematic structures that I’m trying to address.

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                  Can you give me a few solid examples or some slides that they shared for your specific DEI program? I’ve done two and it’s some of the most boring and dry shit that I’ve ever listened to.

                  For ours, it was mainly that you can get talent from anywhere. It wasn’t about hating white men or nothing. I mean, at least it wasn’t for the ones that I’ve attended?

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    Who is following these orders. They are collaborators. Take their names.

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      It’s the feel-good story that Republicans talk about when they say “pull yourself up by your bootstrap” but they’re upset because that’s only supposed to work for white men.