• The Cuuuuube@beehaw.orgEnglish
    54·
    1 year ago

    To be fair to the large number of blocked instances on the Beehaw blocklist, most of them are from a starter blocklist that’s been circulated through the fediverse of “These are skinhead and child sexual abuse material instances. Block them before they even try to federate.” I think the only true defederation controversy is with Lemmy.World and sh.itjust.works and that was a purely mechanical issue of “too much troll traffic all at once and no tools to surgically handle it rather than just burn down the whole thing”

    • magnetosphere @beehaw.orgEnglish
      21·
      1 year ago

      I’m wondering what “over 400 blocked instances” means in practical terms. Most of us have no idea if 400 is a large or small number in relation to the size of the fediverse. Most of us don’t know how big those blocked instances are, or if they even exist anymore.

      Mostly, as you explain, I don’t care about numbers if what they’re blocking is hatred and abuse. Maybe “over 400 blocked instances” is supposed to be a criticism, but to me, it sounds like the people running Beehaw are doing their jobs well.

      • Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.comEnglish
        7·
        1 year ago

        That’s a fair concern. You can check the data for yourself on the awesome-lemmy-instances repository; alternatively I have made this tool to make the search more interactive and user friendly: defed.xyz.

        Short answer to your question is: 410 is a lot. They are the second instance for number of defeds, only beaten by feddit.dk. Most big instances tend to have between 30 and 50 blocks, with the notable exception of sh.itjust.works which has only 5.

        To give credit where credit is due, few of the instances blocked by beehaw actually run Lemmy and even fewer are active (2 or more monthly active users). This doesn’t change the fact that it’s a BIG number.

        edit: pinging @Cube6392@beehaw.org as this partially answers their question.

        • AdaA
          5·
          1 year ago

          We have a large number of blocks too, but that’s because we auto sync our blocklist between our instances, so we end up with lots of non Lemmy instances on the list

        • The Cuuuuube@beehaw.orgEnglish
          9·
          1 year ago

          Not really. How many users are on the blocked instances? How many of those instances have tried to federate with Beehaw? How active are the people on the blocked instances? How active are people not on those instances who do interact with them? A raw number of instances isn’t that useful to understanding the impact on the network graph

    • ijeff@lemdro.idEnglish
      8·
      1 year ago

      Many are also Mastodon instances, which can be particularly troublesome.

      • The Cuuuuube@beehaw.orgEnglish
        7·
        1 year ago

        It’s also a problem with how much information Lemmy makes available. In most of the fediverse the block list includes a reason field

          • The Cuuuuube@beehaw.orgEnglish
            3·
            1 year ago

            I like the idea of filters and sorting. Also I liked the old layout better where there was a vertical split with federated instances on the left and defederated instances on the right

      • Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.comEnglish
        7·
        1 year ago

        I agree. I think relying too heavily on blocklists can be a detriment to the growth and decentralization of the Fediverse. Who even decides what ends up on them? Maybe you pass through the crossair of whoever handles that while they’re having a bad day and boom, you’re barred out of 2/3 of all the content.