They make a great point. But nobody here read the article.
I read the article, they are not making any points other than a completely empty claim that only Palestinians get to decide.
What they should be doing is profusely apologizing for their catastrophic stupidity while rallying people to try and impeach the orange felon.
You have ingested propaganda to make you think that protesters are the reason Republicans won the election.
This just didn’t happen
You are being manipulated to hate poor people and young people.
I never said that. They contributed in a significant way. That’s a fact. Their brainless contribution made things significantly worse for America and Palestinians. That’s a fact.
So if you understand that them “contributing in a significant way” resulted in no difference in voter turnout, then why try to push that false and divisive narrative?
You have to curb your ego before you let it override reality.
Ever wonder why the Gaza protests got constant media coverage but the nation wide trans protests and strikes don’t get any coverage despite having way more participants?
It’s obvious to me, it should be obvious to you.
The media showed you what it wanted you to think, and you internalized it.
You keep trying misinterpret what I say and you keep failing. The down votes should be a clear indication that most people see right past your bullshit.
Reality is that idiots that pushed against an obviously better choice for president helped elect an orange cunt that now made situation worse for everyone. There’s no arguing against these facts.
Fine be a good slave, turn against your neigbors.
I can’t force you to develop the class solidarity required to make meaningful change.
Clearly you did not read the article.
Quote the great point.
"Over the past 16 months, the Biden-Harris administration’s full, unobstructed support for Israel’s campaign of genocide and ethnic cleansing has failed to remove the Palestinians of Gaza from their land," Hudhayfah Ahmad, a spokesperson for the Muslim-American led Abandon Harris campaign, said in a statement to Newsweek.
“It is not Trump—just as it was not Biden or Harris—who decides what the Palestinians can or cannot do; that decision belongs solely to the people of Palestine.”
Right, so just the completely empty statement I mentioned in my own reply. Meaningless bullshit from people who failed both, America and their heritage because they refused to accept reality.
Imagine believing the people being genocided failed the group responsible for their genocide.
The sheer insanity of your statement will make people reading it in 30 years fall backwards out of their chairs.
Fuck off with the nonsense. I said none of the idiotic shit you’re spewing.
The sheer insanity of not only voting, but actually encouraging others to vote for a person literally promising a carte blanche to a nation currently wiping Palestinians off the face of the planet is a level stupidity unmatched by a typical orange felon voter.
I would also like to believe we have some amount of self-determination in America, but 47 and Elmo are making sure that’s not the case.
I think we’re about to find out what the “full support” of the US actually looks like
Wow you sound like a bootlicker who wants to see poor brown people die
No; to be clear, that would be very bad. That doesn’t mean it’s not what’s about to happen, though.
If you start talking about how Trump removed sanctions on 5 settlers I will block you.
I don’t know what opinions you think I have but I certainly do not support Trump. I didn’t hear about the sanctions thing though, can you send a link?
Everyone of these dumb fucks can just go shut the fuck up. They are one of the main reasons for the Trump victory. All of them knew Trump would be worse, but they were all too fucking stupid to just go with the least bad option. Kamala was not a good candidate, but she was better than Trump in every facet.
The vote was down to preservation of democracy or end democracy and start FACISM. Murika voted for fascism.
More than half of the US never votes at all.
If voting were mandatory this would never have been the result.
Saying people deserve to be put in camps because they try to stay sane living paycheck to paycheck is kind of a little bitch take on this whole situation
Democracy died a long, long time ago. The options were preservation of our neoliberal corporate order, or fascism. The status quo died in 2016 and Dems are hodling hard until I’m guessing America is a completely hollow husk of its former self. But at least they played fair!
They were too insignificant to listen to. They’re too insignificant to blame.
Their rhetoric and decision to not vote for the only viable non Trump candidate is plenty reason to blame. They aren’t as bad as people that directly voted for him, but they are the next worst thing and the difference between is borderline indiscernible.
Their rhetoric and decision to not vote for the only viable non Trump candidate is plenty reason to blame.
If democrats can blame them, they were fools to ignore them.
It’s true but they still made the choice they made, and that’s unforgivable. Fuck em, Trump lovers.
It’s true but
…but you want to blame people whose families were getting genocided for not being happy to vote like you ordered them to.
Your party shat the bed. They knew who they had to appeal to in order to win. But since that’s beneath them, they lost.
No, it’s not about them doing what we “ordered” them to. It’s about them doing what would result in the best outcome for themselves.
You say that to people whose families were just murdered with weapons you provided and intend to continue providing.
You then scream that they’re morons for not being as happy as you are about it.
You then wonder why they’re not enthusiastic to vote for that to continue.
Dems don’t have the emotional intelligence to understand that most Americans don’t know which policies will benefit them, most don’t know any policies at all.
They have to put money in people’s bank account and take money from the rich if they want to communicate a good economy instead of telling everyone we are the best while their quality of life rapidly erodes.
Their rhetoric and decision to not vote for the only viable non Trump candidate is plenty reason to blame.
Centrists ignored them on the grounds that they could afford to lose them. You were wrong.
There is nothing centrist about acknowledging the fact that they fucked both themselves and everyone else.
There is nothing centrist about acknowledging the fact that they fucked both themselves and everyone else.
Except blaming people you screamed at for a solid year.
They were and still are idiots. They knew what was at stake and made their decision. They decided to support fascism and Trump and defending that decision is the same the same thing.
They were and still are idiots. They knew what was at stake and made their decision.
I know. And they lost votes because they wouldn’t give up support for genocide. Naturally, since no centrist can ever admit when they’re wrong, they blame the voters they hate.
Glad to see they’re sticking to their guns. Make sure the libs understand that we’ll do it again if they don’t give in to the demands.
How the fuck are the sticking to their guns? They literally changed their name so as to not signal support for the guy that they campaigned for.
Literally the opposite of “sticking to their guns”
They literally changed their name so as to not signal support for the guy that they campaigned for.
???
Which guy did they campaign for?
Ah, OP was referencing a different group of faces being offered up yesterday in conjunction with this.
https://apnews.com/article/arab-americans-trump-gaza-name-peace-479f6777cac7bac52fb098daa0821cb5
They endorsed, campaigned for, and voted for the guy that just said to ethnically cleanse Gaza and had his First Lady give a neo Nazi salute twice at his inauguration.
Man you’re really out of touch with the Arab community here.
Go right ahead, not like there will be much to fight over after Trump turns Gaza into a Israeli resort town.
I’m rooting for you!
The area was levelled under Biden. There would be zero restraint either way. The limiting factors are the groups actually fighting against the genocidal American Empire and its pet rabid dog.
You keep thinking that, good luck and enjoy watching what will unfold.
enjoy watching what will unfold.
You people are truly sick.
You’re the one enabling nazis bro. Wake the fuck up
I least I’m not actively voting for them like y’all are.
You make choices, you live with the consequences. It’s as simple as that.
You agree that Trump is the lesser of two evils then there’s nothing to say at this point but you must live with the consequences of those actions.
That’s life, that’s reality, that’s consequences.
What a nice little rationalization you have for not regarding them as human.
Has there ever been a people more arrogant than your kind? When you look through the past, you see all these cases of genocide, not one of them justified, and you think, “Ah, but they were all stupid. I’m so smart that when I support it, it’s the only rational, objectively correct decision.” It doesn’t even give you a moment of pause. You don’t even have the decency to speak about it with the gravity it deserves. You gleefully watch people die because it gives you the satisfaction of believing in your own rightness and superiority over the fools who actually give a damn. Meanwhile, you are so shortsighted and unimaginative that you think the laws imposed by our mortal rulers are as rigid and unchangable as natural law.
Honestly, the more I talk to people like you, the more I understand religious people. Much as I dislike religion, if it provides immunization against your way of thinking, perhaps it’s worth it! Is there any way of thinking that’s worse than yours?
What a utterly stupid comment.
The fact that you have so little understanding that people can hold more than one opinion and rationale and seriously think that simple pointing out that Arab Americans that endorsed Trump must now live with the consequences and conflating that with that must mean holding that opinion means you’re jumping for joy that Trump is advocating for the displacement of Palestinians from Gaza.
May you love in the interesting times your brought upon us all.
Go fuck yourselves. Almost everyone tried to tell you this was going to end badly.
Protest voters did not meaningfully impact the election
This rhetoric exist to turn poor people against each other
who ever thought trump would be better for palestinians is dumb asf. not saying harris would have done a good job since it seems no president will take their side.
They were complaining that Biden was doing nothing for the situation.
What did they think Trump was going to do for them?
Well, he was the “Muslim ban” president, so it couldn’t have been good.
But that ship has sailed. We have a malicious, greedy oligarch in control of the USA now.
People always start taking the status quo for granted eventually. On one hand, Trump might actually end the Palestinian genocide. Just, not in the way they want.
Yeah he’ll get the genocide finished as quickly as possible.
God. Damn these people are so pants shittingly stupid.
They are going to be yelling about how no palestinian can be removed from their land even as they are being tossed onto a plane to El Salvador.
Stupid fuckers. All it’s going to take is one u s soldier getting his boot scuffed, and they’ll round them all up.
Protest voters did not meaningfully impact the election
This rhetoric exist to turn poor people against each other
They’ve been scuffing the boots of IDF soldiers for years and they’re still going
But, hey, I’m sure the US is totally different, look at how easy and cheap it was for us to occupy Iraq /s
Not really. October 7th was a massive overplay on the part of Hamas. They launched a state level military invasion into Israel. In the hopes of a better prison swap. It was an absolute disaster for the people of Palestine as well the Hamas and it’s backers.
Hamas is effectively ended as well as the support networks in neighboring countries that were helped by Iran.
There is no longer a state level actor in the region effectively supporting military action. It will take years before anything effective can happen on the ground.
There is no longer a state level actor on the ground supporting humanitarian action.
Now is very different than before. This is not the same old same old that had been going on for a long time. The status quo has changed and there is a very real possibility that Palestine will vanish.
Not to mention, Trump is a peacetime president. He’s ending the Ukraine War and the Israel Palestine War
day 1week 1whenever convenientcommitting US troops to Gaza to commandeer the land and redevlop it as a US territory, while also threatening to take over the Panama Canal, Greenland, and to annex Canada, and requesting Zelensky allow Putin to ravage Ukrainian land and likely install puppet govt while prosecuting any Ukrainian loyalists as the Russians see fit.You know. Peaceful things.
The situation in Palestine is going to get worse under trump, but then things were also getting worse while under Biden too. There is no winning for Palestinians because the plan is for Israel to take over the entire area. Policy over partisanship, as AIPAC puts it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlKmWa8p4UM
How completely unexpected to see the libs firmly deciding that this is all the fault of brown people.
https://midwest.social/comment/15162938
While they appreciate Trump’s commitment to rebuilding Gaza,
Fucking lol
They’re just that stupid.
Well aren’t you just the hypocritical ass.
1: These aren’t people that refused to vote for a lesser evil. They’re Trump voters. Willing greater evil supporters.
2: There’s a difference between blaming them for the loss over, you know, Democratic mismanagement and the conservative base being fascists in general.
3: Interesting that that wasn’t immediately obvious to you. All Muslims that don’t Vote Blue No Matter Who are equal in your eyes? You can hardly tell them apart!
Secretary of State Marco Rubio wrote on X: “Gaza MUST BE FREE from Hamas. As @POTUS shared today, the United States stands ready to lead and Make Gaza Beautiful Again. Our pursuit is one of lasting peace in the region for all people.”
Ahmad, the spokesperson for the Abandon Harris campaign and a Palestinian activist, also said: “Despite the entire world being against them, Palestinians have proven that they will be victorious. They are returning to their homes and living among the rubble—people like that cannot be defeated. That is not a matter of opinion; it is a fact.”
The level of cope is just so hard here.
I bet this face must be extra tasty for the leopards.
Such a hateful comment. It’s not even about American voters. The quote you pull here is about human people living through unimaginable torment and loss and you call it “cope.”
I know, it’s absolutely hateful to say Arab American have to live with the consequences of their actions.
you said cope. about ethnic displacement. like it’s internet beef or something. that’s what’s hateful. cope with me judging you for it.
It’s not a problem too cope with you judging me, it’s very, very easy, barely an inconvenience.
I simply don’t care one whit about what you think about me. You have your opinion, I have mine and opinions are like assholes, we all have one.
And regardless of what our opinions are it won’t change the fact that Arab Americans endorsed Trump, was a key factor in his victory, and he implemented a Muslim man in his first term and one of his first acts was to nominate and appoint cabinet members who have a history of anti-Muslim rhetoric, and just stated he wanted to turn Gaza into a parking lot with resorts and no Palestinians.
May you and I live in the interesting times we voted or sat out of voting for.
And regardless of what our opinions are it won’t change the fact that Arab Americans endorsed Trump,
Ah there you go! You have a problem with some Arab Americans who endorsed Trump. I have a problem with them to!
But some is not all. The quote you cited is from a group who endorsed Jill Stein. If every Stein vote had been alocated to Harris the outcome would have been the same.
Looks like I have helped you successfully make your position less hateful. It turns out you were attacking the wrong group. This is progress. :) Best regards.
These leopards are going to get diabetes with how they’ve been eating lately.
Lil Marco is such a pathetic bootlicking weenie.
Muslims were a key swing vote in key swing states like Michigan and Wisconsin.
More importantly, the dems might have actually won if they had taken this opportunity to show that they were capable of listening to and learning from their constituents.
Trump demonstrated that he could grow and adapt from his previous term while the dems insisted on dictating terms and asserting that everything was fine without room for criticism or growth.
Improve and grow.
Listen and adapt.
Do better.
This is proven by the data. Every poll on the subject reflected the sentiment that, had Harris split from Biden on Israel-Gaza, more would vote Harris. This was known before the election. This data was ignored. People were screaming for their rights up to the last second. Many (not all) still voted Harris. And now they are getting screamed down for still having the gall to express their anger at humans being treated as animals. It feels hopeless. The white moderate liberal has no shame or empathy.
If the Palestinian vote was enough to sway the election, then the amount of Jewish people who would have done the same if any presidential candidate came out in strong support of Palestine, has to be at least an order of magnitude higher.
I am not equating the two positions, I am simply talking about campaign strategy.
I don’t think you understand the stranglehold that the Israel lobby has on US politics.
If you believe that appealing to voters no matter what is always the right thing for politicians then you must love Donald Trump. Because he appealed to voters better than Harris.
Can you people have a single exchange without creating at least one straw man?
Jewish people do not default to Israel’s side.
Never said they did.
Not trying to be rude, but y’all are dumb.
I think you think Jewish people are all pro-Israel which is ignorant at best. Bigotry at worst.
Again the data proved this. These were polls of voters in general, not pro-Palestinians. American Jews were absolutely represented by the polls.
I think you think Jewish people are all pro-Israel which is ignorant at best. Bigotry at worst.
Oh look another straw man. Like it’s their only move… No, I do not think that. I don’t believe I’ve said anything to imply that I do.
But I do know how much money and power that lobby throws around, and I’ve seen it destroy political careers overnight. The ADL would have tanked Harris’ campaign had she come out in support of Palestine prior to Election Day. Like I don’t think you people understand just how complex the political calculus here is… And you can sit on your high horse and say, “people shouldn’t be doing political calculus when genocide is ongoing,” and that’s certainly a solid point, but the reality is that they do and that they have to if they want to have a chance of winning.
In fact, a day or two before Election Day, she seemed to have signaled that she would be tougher on Israel, but it was too little, too late. I suspect she waited until the last moment so as to not give the Israel lobby enough time to kill her campaign.
I believe that Harris would have listened to Palestinian voices had she won (rather than putting them in camps)
This better explains your position than your previous comment. Thank you and I do apologize for any mischaracterization.
Thank you for commenting, friend.
All of the talk of civil rights being America’s priority has fallen short in the face of our economic priorities and our proclivity to agitate for war.
We have designed a society where empathy is scarce. A society overworked and without the bandwidth for most to process how their actions impact people on the other side of the globe.
Sometimes you’ve gotta skip out on the bullshit to live life and learn for yourself. All of these increases in productivity, and yet we have less and less time to be human and stitch together our society.
To everyone calling them stupid. What exactly should they have done in this situation? What is the better solution when your only options are death or a faster death?
Im genuinely asking
Vote blue and send huge amounts of letters and phone calls to your Congress people telling them to stop supporting this. Run new candidates under the Democratic party that push them further left.
Sounds impossible? Yes. People were force fed propaganda and gave up this election, because its a hard choice. There is no easy route. Its either revolution or try to change a party to something better. There is no option 3.
People told the centrists, I told my friends for fucks sake. I know someone who stayed home saying their vote didn’t matter and both sides are evil. I told them that is a vote for Trump.
They were right. Their vote didn’t matter because trump won by a landslide in our state. But what if they, and thousands of their compatriots, weren’t force fed propaganda on Facebook and TV?
The republicans won because of coordinated attacks that presented centrists with multiple trolley problems. I held out hope until the end, but I should have known what was going to happen when some reasonably intelligent people fell for it.
The options appears to have been
Get bombed but afterwards the survivors get to stay in their homeland.
Or
Get bombed and afterwards the survivors are ethnically cleansed and their homeland becomes a US/Israel resort.
So slow genocide with open air prison vs quicker genocide?
Surviving until another more friendly politician comes around is certainly a much better option.
The best way to ensure a politician who supports a cause comes along is to support politicians unconditionally whether they support it or not.
And the people who think that genuinely think it’s the rest of us who are stupid lmao
It’s like you’re addicted to misrepresenting people’s argument
My apologies, I must have misunderstood.
In that case, the best way to ensure a politician who supports a certain cause comes along is to conditionally support politicians only when they support said cause.
Do you want the genocide that will take a century, or the genocide that will take a few weeks to months.
The lefts goal is to stop the genocide, in either scenario, but it seems like a much harder thing to do under the latter option.
they could have shut up and never expressed emotion or dissent at the deplorable level of dignity stripping they were subject to.
that’s the genuine answer. that’s what white liberals would have preferred.
and now they are getting shouted down by those liberals for still advocating for their own rights. many still even voted harris. it’s truly heartbreaking. america is so racist even the rise of fascism is blamed on brown people.
