Summary

Thousands of Germans protested the CDU/CSU party for collaborating with the far-right AfD to pass anti-immigration legislation.

The move, seen as a breach of a post-war taboo against extremist parties, sparked outrage and accusations of making AfD extremism socially acceptable.

The CDU/CSU argues the legislation is necessary due to concerns about immigration and recent attacks by individuals who should have been deported.

  • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    I think that the reaction of most mainstream German politicians to the Israeli-Genocide has made it painfully obvious that they’re deeply Racist, since they justified unwavering support for a regime commiting a Genocide along ethnic lines - were amongst, other things they murdered tens of thousands of children because of their ethnicity - by saying that they “unwaveringly” support the ethnicity that said genocidal regime claims to represent: it doesn’t get much more Racist than justifying sending weapons to guys mass murdering children along ethnic lines because the ethnicity of the murderers is one specific ethnicity rather than a different ethnicity.

    Not only is the moral distance from “We support Genocidal mass murderers because of their race” to supporting the quasi-Nazi AfD miniscule compared to what it would be if the starting point had instead been “No kind of oppression can be justified by the race of the oppressors”, but even the AfD ideology itself of “The German people should be able to do whatever they want to other ethnicities and nationalities” is morally not that distant from the “This specific race should be able to do whatever they want to other ethnicities and nationalities”.

    In summary, the actions that the SPD and CDU/CSU (and even the Greens, for their eternal shame) have been unwaveringly supporting “for the Jewish People” are even more violent than those the AfD have been supporting “for the German people”.

    Clearly the German Political class never strayed far from the way of thinking that underpinned NAZISM (they mostly moved a specific ethnicity from the “untermenschen” to the “ubermenschen” column) and hence the distance to get back to the “old” “principles” was always much shorter than their performative anti-Nazism led most people to believe.

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      Unbelievable. There is an article about how Germans take to the streets to protest our biggest threat to Democracy and the potential next Nazis-Party and the only thing you say is one of the most racist things I have ever read on here. Shame on you.

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        In the Racist mind the criticism of how their judgement standards and choices of supporting or not a person or State are different depending on the target person’s race, always ends up interpreted as “an attack on a Race” because Racists cannot even begin to conceive the idea that “All humans and their actions should be judged independently of their Race”.

        When a Racist voices criticism of an instance of double-standards depending on Race being used, they are motivated by a desire to attack the Race which benefits from such double standards, so in their minds that must be the reason why other would attack such Race-related double standards and in their Racist minds it’s inconceivable that the criticism could be against any such double standards no matter who benefits and against the entire mental architecture of seeing and judging people as Race-members rather than as human beings,

        In the minds of Racists everything everybody says or does about other people is determined by Race, so criticism of Racism itself is invariably seen as an “attack on a Race” in the mind of the Racist.

        (Aside from this poster’s response to my post, other examples of what I mean can easily be found in how Trump supporters respond to criticism of their Racist actions - their responses often follow exactly the same pattern as the poster above)

        Obviously thanks to their circular logic that “any criticism of Race-based double standards can only be explained as Racism against the Race which benefits from it”, Racists feel no shame about their own Racism, since it justifies itself as a reaction to what they interpret (following said circular logic) as the Racism of critics.

        I weep for Germany and all the Germans who are Humanists rather than Racists: it must be hard living surrounded by so many people whose views on their fellow human beings fit the very same architecture of thinking of people as “first and foremost members of Races”, as the Nazi ideology.

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    A bit of additional context: The “legislation” passed on Wednesday was only a non-binding recommendation to the government. Basically a list of “the parliament would like you to do that”. So Merz threw away his “Brandmauer” (wall of fire against the AfD) for something that doesn’t even matter.

    But, it gets better. It’ll repeat today, but this time with actual legislation. The CDU/CSU is trying to blackmail the other democratic parties into voting for it, because else the AFD will get stronger again. But they aren’t having it, so odds are high that we’ll get a repeat today. Just even worse because this time the outcome actually means something besides symbolism.

    Keep in mind - that guy is currently in Position number 1 to become the next Chancellor, he’s always lying and backtracking on promises he made. Such as the promise that, after our government fell in November: “We’ll only pass things that can find support with the democratic forces.” Or a much earlier promise of:“Anyone who cooperates with the AfD will face a party-removal.” Even Merkel cut him down to size a bit yesterday by saying that she thinks it’s wrong - and Merkel basically never comes out of the woodwork to give her opinion on stuff in such a way.

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      “Brandmauer” (wall of fire against the AfD)

      Firewall. As in a wall designed to hold back fire so that it doesn’t spread. Specifically a masonry wall, “Brandwand” is the more generic term.

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        True, thank you - I am at work and was typing that in a hurry before the next meeting, so that was indeed a bit off.

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        Yeah, we need soccer style riots every day or however often the uberglut orange too is able to move the pen.

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      So, the problem, as I see it, is that we already did the protest thing under the first Trump administration. It didn’t do much then and we’re tired now. It’s been about a decade of hearing about awful shit from Trump and realizing that our family members, coworkers and neighbors are actually awful people.

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        Didn’t do much?. BLM freaked the fuck out of the conservative elite. They sent the fucking closest thing to the military to the protests and brutalised protesters.

        People decided to back down at that point. But they didn’t have too.

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        we already did the protest thing

        No, you really didn’t.

        we’re tired now

        Fuck off, libs really are just going to let Nazis march through the streets.

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        Difference is that in the US, people are armed to the teeth and a peaceful protect will quickly turn deadly.

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          We’re lighting some candles and then we are proud of ourselves. Even France which is the stereotypical riot country is under the tight grip of neoliberalism and for what feels like decades on the brink of having the Nazi Lepen take over.

          There’s not as much of that protest culture as it seems.

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            Oh well, nothing to be done but stay in the house and accept whatever comes, and MAYBE the politicians will suddenly have an attack of conscience!

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              Why don’t you tell us how the BLM protestors are pussies compared to the French. You say you want people to learn

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                Why are you putting words in my mouth? You picked one group of protesters. One.

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                  So did you. You picked one. I picked one.

                  You felt that Americans can learn something from European protesters, but I don’t know what you’re saying the big difference is. The BLM protesters faced violence and extreme retribution, but were still out there continuously, living, sleeping… why are the Europeans better?

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          He did. It’s the same picture here. Even with all the protests we have people like Melloni and Schoof. AfD is polling at an all time high. I’m not saying stop protesting. But it’s obviously not enough to keep fascim at bay. People have to get a lot more militant.

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      Still have voter apathy, rising fascism and a bunch of supposedly progressive parties that have moved strongly to the right, with truly left/progressive parties being almost irrelevant.

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      We have both actually, that’s why we get two votes. It’s still fptp but with a hotfix for proportionality applied.

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        There are more democratic reforms needed and a lot of how politics functions is based on the culture and current attitude.

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      Lead the way… By electing the most right wing government since the war?

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      Germany is on the best way to repeat 1933, putting fascism into power with the help of the “conservatives” and a bystanding/complicit center

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      I wish I had that kind of faith in our society. A lot of people are still conservative. The majority lacks any kind of class consciousness, and would really prefer the global western hegemony to keep trucking on unchanged for a few more generations.

      The progressive movement is real and has great people in it. I love the conversations I’ve been having with people for the past decade. But it’s a bubble that includes maybe 5-8% of the population. Enough to build solidarity at least around population centers, not enough to sweep an election.

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        Kinda makes me think when I, as an immigrant over there, was a member of the Green Party in Britain before the Leave Referendum: great forward thinking people who were genuinelly good persons who wanted a better world for everybody, all the while the rest of British Society turned out to be mainly composed of dumb racists.

        Still today I use the lessons I learned in British politics, since IMHO they were maybe a decade ahead of the rest of Europe in the shift to the Far Right (their version is just posher).