• conditional_soup@lemm.ee
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    It’s as simple as this, whether you’re talking about people with addiction, the homeless, LGBT, immigrants, union workers, the poor, native Americans and on and on:

    What the government can do to them, it can do to you.

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    Nah, if they come for you in the morning,

    They are coming for me in the morning, I am just too stupid to get it.

    Ignoring the obvious fact that trans people are like everyone else. Any law against any group will fuck with everyone else. They wanted to ban abortions and now in some states, docs are afraid of saving your life because they might be blamed for the death of the fetus. They didn’t fuck with “women who love abortions” (as if that was real) they fucked with every pregnant woman’s life and in proxy, their friends and family’s life. If they target trans people, they are one poorly written law away to ruin your life and as they target trans people… They clearly aren’t particularly the kind of people who might would get it “right”.

    Trans rights are human rights.

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    The famous “First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out” quote leaves out the fact that before anyone, the Nazis came for trans people.

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      They came for the communists first. The fear of worker’s rights offered by communism is what caused the first fighting and gave Hitler power. Everything else followed. Hitler hunted down communists in ‘33. The prosecution of LGBTQ was a slower burn heading into the late 1930s.

      However, I suggest we pay sharp attention to this:

      Most people who held “transvestite certificates,” as Simon did, had them revoked or watched helplessly as police refused to honor them. That was just the beginning of the trouble.

      This is exactly what republicans and trump are doing. Removing trans from passports, removing trans from military, etc.

      Edit: before people downvote my position, they should read more about the lead up to the Reichstag Fire and the raid of the Institute. They are not singular markers in the course of history that define the beginning or end of anything. There were numerous battles with communist groups througout Germany in the 1920s and onward, from street fighting with Hitler’s proto-nazis to actions by the Weimar government. I don’t think anything I said is incorrect. Anti-communist action was part of Hitler’s rise and included the Reichstag Fire in Feb of ‘33, and the raid of the Institute was in May of ‘33. So even by that metric…they came for the communists first.

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          If you want to discuss technicalities:

          The Reichstag fire was in February ‘33, the institute was raided in May of ‘33.

          My original position was that fighting against communists helped bring Hitler to power, and those clashes occurred first, from street fighting to attempted uprisings by various communist factions within Germany. There is plenty of history out there on this. So yes, they still “came for the communists first” in the context of this discussion. I don’t say this to detract from historic persecution of LGBTQ people in any way.

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            If you really want to discuss technicalities:

            The institute was targeted by Nazis as early as 1920.

            From about the early 1920s onward, Hirschfeld became a target of the far-right in Germany, including the Nazi Party. He was physically attacked during multiple incidents, including an incident in Munich on 4 October 1920 in which he was badly injured… By 1929, frequent targeting by Nazis made it difficult for Hirschfeld to continue with his appearances in public.

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              Ok dude (or whoever you are), I don’t need to get in the weeds of digging through history for ever-smaller events to continue with this debate. On the context of the discussion of the Reichstag vs Institute, the Reichstag events happened first. That pretty much settles the original debate. As far as wholesale attacks on groups, the Communists by far faced the most resistance and the most violent resistance before the somewhat more acceptable trans community (as long as they stayed within their restrictive walled garden) began to have their rights stripped from them as noted in the source I provided.

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        And with all the same talking points too.

        who accused the movements of “degeneracy”, going against family values and promoting “un-German” ideas. A particular target of conservative ire were LGBT publications and magazines, which were grouped with pornographic magazines as “filth literature”. Laws such as the 1926 Harmful Publications Act were pushed through by conservative movements to attempt to limit or regulate the contents of these publications.

        Protect the youth from being “converted” by banning books. The conservative political strategy is literally fascism. Modern trans people in prison are being forcibly detransitioned by denying them medication exactly the same way they were in the 30s.

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        I didn’t say a gun. Of course that is probably the tool for defense against the jack booted thugs coming for those who dare to be different, but there are other devices. Prepare for a world where no one is going to save you.

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    you know what they say about the right to bear arms.

    It’s weird that you would need to legally codify the ownership of bear arms, but hey, not my problem.

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    I mean.

    Probably not. I’m a straight white male.

    I’m against bigotry because it is stupid, it holds everyone back, it’s always based on nonsense, and frankly I really don’t gibe a flying fuck one way or the other what someone else does if it doesn’t directly effect me.

    Not self interest. Self interest is how this fucking mess starts.

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      You just said 1, 2 and 3 reasons why they would come after you

      1. Against the regime
      2. Does not accept the status quo
      3. Is not actively supporting the state
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      No, they’ll come for you in the end. Just by being sympathetic to trans people makes you one of “them”.

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      Sadly/fortunately(?) you are wrong.

      Remember how they wanted to ban abortions, and now women who wanted the baby but have a medical emergency, might not get the medical care because doctors are afraid of accidentally “killing” the fetus.

      What makes you think that they won’t fuck up the laws against trans people.

      (Of course, there are better arguments against transphobia but we are talking about selfish reasons)