This is gonna sound like a troll post but i assure you it is not.
I don’t have a coding background but I’ve used Teams in a lot of workplaces and really only encountered like 2 issues entirely.
Either I got seriously lucky or it was before enshittification.
Why do you yourself dislike it? Is it UI? Performance?
I should also say I use Teams for basic purposes like messaging and uploading files, I literally don’t touch anything else and performance hadn’t been an issue. (Likely because I’ve been given thicc-ass workstations in the past)
Lets see, half my team randomly doesent recieve notifications/get notification audio at times. Sometimes youll get a notification that theres a new message in a channel but it doesent show up until you restart teams. Today specifically my mute button was desynced with the application mute and inverted. Sometimes audio devices wont work at all first time you join a meeting until you replug the audio devices (not an os wide issue) the status icon has a mind of its own and will say people are away or completely not available even when they are actively using the computer theres also no way AS ADMINISTRATOR to change how the icon behaves. Only Microsoft is allowed to dictate that. Not nearly enough controls as admin to define visibility in things like timeoff requests, shifts, etc. Instead of having a simple notes tab you have to use some form of OneNote shoved into the software which slows it down, overcomplicates it and sometimes wont even sync changes. Theres more thats just off the top of my head
Compared to skype, irc, slack, xmpp, and any other chat/phone software I’ve used its unreliable spyware.
Spyware in that it’s used to force idle status used by middle managers to make assumptions about when and how you work.
Unreliable in that it stops showing system tray message status when it updates without alert, using vdi/Bluetooth headsets are a crap shoot if audio will work or not, and destroys history by allowing corpo policy to remove messages after X days.
I’m a loner, Dottie. A rebel.
Teams for chat and video is generally OK but when managers start trying to do scheduling, task lists, and kanbans in it it becomes annoying in my experience. A software should have a definitive scope and not try to be an everything tool. If you want that interconnectivity then it’s better to implement a standard which works with another tool that is designed for that purpose instead of tacking on a bunch of shit.
Otherwise, I end up wondering “Ok where the fuck is that scheduled meeting? Was in in outlook? Was it in the teams calendar? Was it in the teams Kanban? Was it a task list item in Teams? Was it in slack? Was it in google calendar? Oh, no, it was in ZOOM! Oh wait, fuck, I actually have a meeting with this client through SKYPE FOR BUSINESS at the same time the zoom meeting starts… Shit.”
Current pet peeve: I’m in a meeting, and I click to switch to another app to check something, then I click the Teams icon to switch back to Teams. Clearly, in this case, I want to get back to the meeting.
Instead, it shows me the calendar view. WTF, Microsoft?
Isn’t the meeting just a different window? Sounds like you have an issue with your windows manager instead.
Yes, it’s a different window.
The issue is that it’s not the first window that Teams selects when I click on it.
Blame it on the macbook if you like, but IMO Teams is at fault.
If that’s program defined behaviour then yes that’s definitely a Teams problem. Stuff like this is why I hate grouped icons though, I just don’t have the issue because I have seperate task bar slots for both windows.
I don’t have this issue in any other apps, so yes, def a Teams thing.
What OS are you using? AFAIK there’s no way to pin the separate Teams windows to the Dock in osx.
That’s on windows, I don’t have teams on my arch install (does it even exist for linux?) but it works with KDE too (at least with other programs).
Kinda sucks that mac OS doesn’t even allow that as an option. Windows started defaulting to grouped icons at some point (probably copying mac) and I’ve always disliked it, but at least you could always disable it (save for some small period at the start of windows 11 that I thankfully never had to use).
Though overall it seems pretty popular, it’s just cases like these where it can get really annoying I suppose.
My company dropped Slack for Teams, because it’s free with the Office subscription, so I guess they put a price on collaboration and culture. Weeks on none of the bots and integrations work properly because there’s no time to fix shit that was already working.
Honestly it’s never been too bad for me.
except that time it randomly turned on my microphone during a meeting, when I was casually chatting to my brother about the beneficial value of replacing antidepressants with a microdose of shrooms 😬
or when it wants to open docs in Teams instead of opening it in the actual program. It always opens so slow, just so I can close it.
or when it tried to force its update on me, and took me from black background to white, and suddenly the background matched my rage; white hot and seething
Real talk? Because it’s forced on people at work and it’s made by Microsoft. It certainly has its flaws but it’s not the worst software in the world.
Its super slow, one of the biggest misuses of electron I have seen. The website unironically works better than than the app. It seems to subtly break in weird ways every new release. Reactions are notifications. And the whole old/new teams thing causes a whole lot of confusion.
Yeah, this one and the same crap for the Outlook 365 stuff. So we can currently decide if we want to try the new Outlook, which removes a bunch of features I use, or just not switch to the new Outlook.
You would think the “old” Outlook then stays the same until we are forced to switch, but no, recently they changed the whole look of it somehow. I thought I got the update to new Outlook now by force but actually it is still the old Outlook, soooo, what?
Oh, and microsoft office is now Microsoft Copilot 365 Office Live for Workgroups.
I wish there was awards - here i crafted you a medal []—o
Oh yes, the old buttplug award!
It’s a medal, but I wont judge you solely on what you shove up your bum.
My company is trying to convince me to switch from draw.io to visio… why is being able to install the program to your local computer considered a premium feature of visio?
You can install draw.io
Its harder to enshittify a desktop app.
Lmfao New Microsoft Teams or Microsoft Teams New, which would you prefer?
Okay, this I can explain. New Microsoft Teams is the new app. It was also installed before the person installed the old Teams. “Microsoft Teams New” is actually just “Microsoft Teams”. The “new” is part of the Windows UI, not the name. It just denotes that it’s a new option for opening “msteams” links. It’s a new option because it was recently installed. The real solution to this is just don’t install two different Teams clients. The old one is actually retired now so that’s not an option and it’s a solved issue.
While this makes sense to you and me, how do you explain this to brenda from hr?
You don’t. You fix it with group policy or Intune and she never sees that.
While this is the answer for an IT Admin, it isn’t for companies on not-Windows and all the small/medium companies on O365 who were sold it on the promise of not needing IT Admins for their stuff.
Well then they got PT Barnum’d
not-Windows
The context is literally a Windows dialog box.
Not everyone at a company can be managed by group policy or in-tune or whatever. Like if they aren’t using windows. You can run into the same situation on macOS or Linux depending on if you have the old and/or new clients installed at the same time.
I hate that your solution is to remove more user control. I admit it’s probably the correct one… but I hate it.
If you’re responsible for enterprise workstations, the last thing you want is for Brenda in HR to be able to install/run unauthorized software in the first place. She has full access to employee files, payroll data, insurance, etc.
Her shit better be locked down.
Reactions are notifications.
This alone is why Teams needs to burn.
Honestly, the “View meeting chat notifications” not being globally mutable needs to fucking die. Our company uses Slack & Teams so the text chats in teams are never relevant to fucking anyone.
Also, super invase. Every damn start it tells me “features” that are obvious, no one cares about and I’ve seen already.
I hate that it doesn’t have some key features, like the ability to easily annotate on the screen as a viewer. The presenter (host?) must allow it first, which for me often results in frustration as I try to guide them to the top tool bar to find it.
They also don’t have custom emojis like my beloved Slack. And dear god Teams sends you a desktop notification every time someone reacts with an emoji, I disabled that quick.
I also hated how they did groups/channels, also called Teams, a name I hate (why have a feature with the same name as your product?). It was like a shitty forum board, where someone would post a topic and everyone commented underneath it, made it impossible to scroll through. They changed it recently though for a much more user friendly UI.
My favorite Teams feature is that I can mute other participants on a meeting. I can feel the Thrill course through me every time.
Can’t change the main photo for a group, which is a huge oversight to me. Minor league shit.
Why is teams terrible?
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Why can I see multiple calendars in outlook but only see my calendar in teams? How does that make it useful to schedule team meetings?
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Why are updates always available even though I just updated?
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Why can I only pin one post in a group chat?
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Why does teams always use its own audio settings over the system settings?
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Why haven’t they implemented proper push to talk?
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Why is it that every few updates one of my meeting members randomly gets muted?
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Why does “Meet Now” basically accomplish what a group call does but the notifications don’t really go out?
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Why do I need to”Apps” in my teams?
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After my call hangs up because the phone app is having issues, how come the other person could still see and hear me?
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Why do you assume I want to use onedrive?
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Why can’t my favorites also appear in chats in a chronological order?
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Why is @everyone even a feature? This isn’t discord.
I think the calendar thing recently changed. It is now very similar to Outlook
Sorry for hijacking this, I have a similar issue. When you say similar to outlook, is there a way to see shared (group?) calendars in teams like in outlook? I feel very stupid for not finding this.
Yes, I just got the notification like yesterday or so and now I have the same list of calendars on the left side as I have it in Outlook. Maybe it still needs to roll out for you
That would be amazing timing, this use case came up a few days ago. I’ll check if there is an update, thanks for the info
- Why is the agenda of a meeting not visible in the mini-view of the meeting. Why do I need to click into the meeting details to see the agenda (which is often just a SharePoint link for most meetings).
Heads up, you can see multiple calendars at the same time. The apps thing is interesting because you can embed things like PBI dashboards into a channel, making it easy for everyone to access. It is possible that the configuration at your work is preventing these things. But even when properly configured, everything is just 16 easy clicks away. Ugg.
I guess there is an update I’m missing
It is like a quest I’m on with MS to let them know that poor configuration is the number one impediment to their products. Users can’t tell the difference and assume it is always MS, when it is only them a portion of the time. 😉
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To me, Microsoft’s entire transition to web technologies is a self inflicted wound. Going native is a massive performance win. They already had that, and went the other way. Just, Why!? Now, Microsoft software is all big, bloated, and slow as fuck. Even the OS. They were literally bragging about a 9 second start up time after some optimizations to Teams. They don’t even know what efficiency is anymore. We all essentially have super computers, now, but sure, congrats on your 9 second load time for a fuckin chat program.
The first time I saw excel open in a web browser, I was impressed that they managed to get it running in a web browser but also appalled that they wanted to get it running in a web browser for actually using it in a web browser instead of just for the novelty, like running doom on anything with a cpu and display.
First thing I do whenever a document opens on the browser version is click the buttons to open it in the native app if I intend to edit it.
They made it shitty to try to justify making it a subscription.
microsoft publisher used to open faster than that on my 1995 pentium, on spinning rust of the time…
Hey, wanna try the New Calendar? Tries the new calendar, it is even worse than the current one. Hey, wanna try the New Calendar? STFU Teams, I need to work!
Or:
Hey, check out the new calendar! We have <features>! Want a tour?
No, you’re describing features that have been in it for a while now, it’s not that new anymore
A few days later: Hey, check out the new calendar! We have <same list of features>! Want a tour?
Still no, and I don’t mean later, I just mean no
Did you mean New Teams? Or Classic Teams? Do you want to Keep Using New Teams? Do you want to try Classic Teams? You opened New Teams last time, do you want to use that one or Classic Teams? Not to be confused with Teams (for work or school), which is just New Teams! I think!
Why don’t you want to use the new Teams? Give us your feedback so we can ignore it.
Thank you for your feedback. Say, do you know there’s a new Teams available? Try it now!
You can look at a post, even click into it, but the notification will not clear until you leave for another page and go back
This makes me want to scream, daily. Holy hell please just mark as read when I open it, same for Outlook
My workplace used g suite then got acquired and spent six painful as fuck months transitioning to SharePoint and teams.
Half the shit in teams doesn’t work and I’m still bitter about wasting time transitioning. My favorite three current issues.
From the SharePoint homepage there’s a nice little search bar, you can type in your query and get literal garbage back. If you click “search more” to get it to stop being a modal window then the search results are accurate - Teams does this shit all the time… stuff that should be the same everywhere is just randomly implemented differently on different pages.
I currently have a little error bar in Teams - it says the web view version of edge is incorrect for this version of teams. If I click it (and there’s little motivation for me to do so since everything seems to be working) then it opens a pane to a web page, redirects half a dozen times, then lands on a page that says “You already have this version installed”. The next time I open teams the error is back.
If someone links to a SharePoint document in a teams chat I’ll often get a “You need to be signed in” link unfurling and hovering over the link yields the same message. If I click on the link it’ll realize I’m signed in and stop showing that error for a while. Please bear in mind that my teams account and SharePoint account are theoretically the same account. I have the same username and password to enter into both services and can’t update information for them independently… if on Microsofts backend if they’re technically different accounts then I, as the user, should never fucking know that. Fix your shit.
Bonus one for privacy. If you’re in a meeting and muted Teams still demands mic access. If you haven’t unplugged your mic or triggered a hardwareish switch then Microsoft is still listening to you… services usually keep listening so that’s not super different. But Microsoft actually exposes that it’s still listening! If you or someone else has auto-captioning turned on then the autocaptions may capture and transcribe your speech when you’re muted.
I was very amused to read about my coworker watching an oblivion lore video when we broke for lunch in a day long meeting last week.
Teams just fucking sucks at everything, there’s nothing they do that most of their competitors all do at least as good.
For the web view one, I was told by IT that it was my fault I’d updated Teams, they had to go into windows add remove programs and update edge web view manually… but I have no recollection of this …and even theoretically if I did, how does an entirely ms stack get into this state except through Teams being a shitty citizen
How dare you update a self updating web wrapper!
For the mic mute issue, I guess it’s so they can show a little popup saying you are muted when they detect a signal coming in
That’s likely correct… or they just want more training data.
Personally, I don’t give Microsoft the benefit of doubt. But technically I’m guessing they are not sending the audio data to their backend so no snooping there.
The rest of the meeting is free game however I’m pretty sure.
