We are at war for our freedoms. Germany and the rest of Europe must act now to stop the same fate as the USA.
Hi there! PLEASE TREAT THIS STORY WITH CAUTION. It’s shared on an anonymous blog, and it’s not backed up by much except a link to an open-source repo. Both the blog author and the post author over here on Lemmy are new users without any public track record.
While both of what you say are true, and it’s possible this report could be false, I’m also very suspicious about this sudden defensiveness and denialism, when you can easily see what’s happening on X, and now on other big privately controlled platforms as well. What are you worried and cautious about precisely? That we could unduly judge X? Even without this report, the world has changed and we are at war in the East and quite possibly soon in the West. We see Musk cozying up to German far-right political parties. And what was that “confusing gesture” that he made? Why are you so interested in pacifying the response to these events? In any event, we need to bolster free public discourse platforms that are not controlled by private interests.
What are you worried and cautious about precisely?
I am worried about allowing fake news to spread. Nothing more. My opinion of Twitter or Elmo at this time is not a positive one.
Even without this report, the world has changed and we are at war in the East and quite possibly soon in the West. We see Musk copying up to German far-right political parties. And what was that “confusing gesture” that he made?
None of these questions in any way is prove the veracity of this post. I have left the post up, because it feels truthy enough, but if those are the kinds of defenses you bring, I feel more inclined to take it down.
Ok, that’s fair. I’m of the opinion that people or the European leaders don’t take these issues seriously enough and that private platforms like X don’t serve our best interests. That doesn’t justify misinformation, but it’s also hard to wait for an absolute proof when we see an accelerating deterioration of liberties all around us. The author did give references to the bread crumbs that could be independently verified. And I believe the discussion around it has been civil and good. I’m new to Lemmy and will try to do better on my part.
Does Lemmy support sticky comments too? Cause this one here kind of asks for it to be sticked to the top ;)
I am not sure if it’s stickied. But it’s “distinguished” as a mod comment. Best I can do.
It’s a fair warning, I have no issue with it. A conversation would be a start.
In Germany, that fate is sealed already. Instead of even trying to build a counter narrative to the far right’s fearmongering and lies, the largest part of the political establisment are parrotting them in order to fish for votes in that nasty cesspool of fear and hatred. Of course this is going swimmingly for the far right, because why would people vote for a half arsed copy, if they can vote for the original instead, also this is normalising the far right’s talking points. The “Conservatives” of the CDU (had to put that in quotes, because “conservative” comes from “to conserve”, not from “to destroy”) are already openly cooperating with the far right in some places.
We’re looking at right wing populist knee jerk politics of closed borders and erosion of civil rights under the guise of security. From all large parties. They are happily dismantling the greatest achievements of post WW2 Europe because they delude themselves this would win them back a couple votes they already lost to the Nazis (yes, let’s call the AfD what they really are), while dragging their feet with any potential measures to contain them. If we’re really lucky, we might still see a vote on starting the process of banning the AfD (which will then take several years to complete) before the knee jerk early election caused by selfishness, incompetence and gross negligence of the parties involved.
Germany right now is giving off hard late stage Weimar Republic vibes. I am very afraid that history might repeat itself within not even yet 100 years.
I’m very sad to hear that. The situation will continue to get more dire as most don’t seem capable of waking up from their comfortable lull and treating the issues with appropriate seriousness, but we must continue to do what we can.
Yea, this one is sketchy - I wouldn’t take it as good fish
I am really on the fence here. It sounds believable enough.
Sure, it sounds beilivable - but news stories? If teams at twitter wrote fake news.
First off, why? There’s lots to just share instead. Oø Secondly, why has nobody else talked about this - it’s not like it’s something someone else would do.
It doesn’t back up anything.
While bots and willingly letting fake news spread from agents originating from f.ex russia isn’t even new, that’s happened before elon too. (I hate that jerk as much as anybody else, but this is seems to far fetched without anything to back it up.)
The fact that Marc Andeerrsson is behind Eliza AI is very interesting though.
For those who’ve not had the pleasure. e/acc who wants to bring forth tech advancement at any cost (So this would be exactly the kinda thing he’d do). Switched to MAGA recently and has made statements about manipulating the public through social media.
Wiki page for Andreesen’s manifesto: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno-Optimist_Manifesto
While bots and willingly letting fake news spread from agents originating from f.ex russia isn’t even new, that’s happened before elon too.
Yeah, exactly — we’ve seen that bit happen for the past ten years on Facebook. So that is the minimum happening on Twitter.
(I hate that jerk as much as anybody else, but this is seems to far fetched without anything to back it up.)
The link to Eliza AI is sort of a half back-up for the story.
but news stories? If teams at twitter wrote fake news.
Twitter has been hyping Grok AI and the fact that it can sum up the news for you. If that’s the public-facing part, then given the motivations of Elmo, it seems reasonable enough that there’s a shadier privat counterpart.
imo, it has a lot of references to what we already see in xwitter.
i just don’t know the extent of xwitter as propaganda tool like fb or proof screenshots provided in the blog.
Very deliberate actions to undermine society, I hope the EU follows through with their Twitter investigation. Social media giants are playing with too much power to be left unchecked.
This thing can be true an it may as well be false.
An anonymous guy telling things that we have been hearing for years and absolutely no proof (what about a list of those fake accounts? Or any analysis?).
I will ignore this until something more concrete comes out. And i think everybody else should too.
We can already see it in action though, with what’s transpiring in the USA. I don’t believe that people who are inclined against action will suddenly do it even if there was more evidence, that goal post will never be satisfied. Rather we need to build habits and modify our own behaviors on a daily basis.
Eliza!? That’s one of the oldest chatbots to exist
They mean an AI tool which just reused the name.
ah yes war, we must nuke the US in retaliation /s
Not every war is fought with firearms and explosives.
We must stop being complacent and believe our own eyes to see what’s happening in the world. It’s not hard to see. A war always requires some level of effort and sacrifice. Being here at Lemmy is already a good step, but we need to further bolster European unity and choose either decentralized or European technologies. We have real adversaries on all sides now.
ever heard of electronic warfare?
