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    Good fucking luck with that hurdle.

    They need a two-thirds vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate; or a conventio called by Congress at the request of two-thirds of the state legislatures. Then it has to be ratified by the legislatures of three-quarters of the states.

    Even if they managed a super majority on both sides of Congress for Trumplefuck, there’s no way they’re getting 38 States to agree to that.

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      I don’t think the law is a restricting factor for the trump regime.

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      Trump is ruling by executive order and no one is stopping him from doing any of it, constitutional or not.
      He’ll just issue an executive order to lower the threshold and at best that order gets challenged and goes to the SCOTUS, and we all know what will happen there.

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    It’s cute how so many in the comments think the legal checks will prevent this. They don’t care about the law or the Constitution in the same way they don’t care about optics, hypocrisy, decorum, or process. People keep viewing this through the lense of American democracy. None of that matters to fascists.

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      Yeah, people don’t seem to truly understand this, and I fear it will take something extreme before they do… And it’s likely already too late now, let alone by then.

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      They care about the law the same way the nazi’s cared about the law until the night of the long knives. I suspect their mass deportation plan is really them gearing up for the night of the long knives 2.0.

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      After four years of them being in power, he’ll probably just be able to…not leave, regardless of any election. Who would stop him?

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        Presumably someone with better aim than the last shooter.

        I’d be very careful as a wannabe dictator in a land with this many guns. The next four years are going to be tense for everyone.

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      In the end, the country isn’t a democracy. It’s a complicated system with complicated interactions.

      It’s really not impossible that a democracy turns into fascism.

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        Thought about that regarding the current events in Germany. If people democratically vote for fascism, that’s still a democratic vote. Only the outcome might be less democratic (or not at all) but at least once people choose this path willingly, following democratic rules.

        At the end it’s perfectly legal to do this. The question is more if it’s good or bad. It maybe even stupid. But here we are.

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          But then we would not be a democracy and being a democracy is written into the constitution.

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            True, never looked into the protective mechanisms in our constitution. But I bet there is a way to change these mechanisms, once you are the reigning political power.

            Will have to research on that.

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      I can’t like this comment enough!!! When will we learn they DON’T PLAY BY THE RULES. If the magats want this to pass, they will manipulate, intimidate, bend, or break the rules to do it. This is how coups happen. They don’t sit down and ask nicely, they just DO IT and back it up with military force if they have to.

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    Good job guys, you saved Palestine!

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      Fuck you, that wasn’t why Trump won. It was because Dems offer nothing but the avoidance of something worse.

      I’m outraged at the genocide and voted for Biden anyway. People can be mad at Dems and demand better without being responsible for their failure.

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        The American people failed.

        This was fucking advertised. This was chosen. This was voted for.

        Stupidest populous on earth.

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          How is any of this “chosen” when everything is gerrymandered and rigged?

          Our biggest fault was being the frog who stayed in the water while it was heating up. We have just slowly been giving up freedoms with a little fuss but not enough to matter. We need to learn to say no firmly and with conviction.

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            Gerrymandering doesn’t exist in your presidential election.

            The majority of Americans supports - or at the very least is neutral towards - Trump. You can blame this on a lot of factors such as misinformation and lack of education but this doesn’t change the general attitude.

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              Something like 49% of eligible voters voted for Trump. And many eligible voters don’t vote. So no, factually, you are incorrect. A lot of people here are too poor to give a shit about politics and are completely unengaged.

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            Any obstacles to electing someone else could have easily been overcome.

            If “Did Not Vote” was a candidate:

            This was completely preventable.

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            Anyone downvoting you is an idiot. This is exactly the situation the American people have been in.

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          I’m with you until the last sentence. Fewer than 50% of American voters voted for Trump.

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        The avoidance of all of this is probably the single most motivating thing in existence. Implying otherwise is strange.

        You don’t sleep in your actively burning home because none of the local hotels tickle your fancy.

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          Which is why I voted for the lady who refused to condemn genocide. What are you arguing?

          Dems are center right. They have been for a long time because of cold war propaganda and brainwashing. That doesn’t mean I won’t vote against fascism. It means we need better alternatives.

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      Why are y’all still fighting about this? Your farce of an election is over, what purpose does this ceaseless bickering serve?

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    In order for it to pass, they need 290 votes in the House. The Republicans currently have 220 votes, so they would need 70 Democrats to flip.

    Then it goes to the Senate where they need 67 votes. First, 60 to get past the inevitable filibuster, and with 53 votes, Republicans need 7 Democrats to flip to move it forward and 14 to pass it.

    Then, the fun part, they need 38 states to ratify it. Trump did win 31 states, so he would still need 7 Harris states to ratify an amendment.

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    “It is imperative that we provide President Trump with every resource necessary to correct the disastrous course set by the Biden administration,” Ogles said in a statement

    so Biden created a bad situation for him in 4 years, yet he thinks Trump needs 8 years to undo it. Sounds like a skill issue to me.

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      No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than three times, nor be elected to any additional term after being elected to two consecutive terms…

      Obama served 2 consecutive terms so would be ineligible. They literally wrote this so that only Trump would be eligible.

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      Oh, fuck no. Obama’s leadership is what got us in this mess. He and the Clinton’s drove the Democratic party off a cliff.

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        Salty downvotes on this comment. Very funny

        Imagine trying to pretend the Clintons weren’t just Reaganites, or that Obama wasn’t a total fraud

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          Obama’s got that boyish grin and professorial demeanor. That and being the first black President are all most people seem to need.

          As President he capitulated to Wall Street on day one. His signature achievement was a healthcare plan that came from the same right wing think tank that brought us Project 2025. As party leader, he bankrupted the DNC allowing Hillary to helicopter in with cash and demand their loyalty in the 2016 primary. The moment he left the presidency he did a Wall Street tour collecting millions in “speaking fees”. Since then he has been working behind the scenes to undercut every effort to move the Democratic party in a progressive direction that could have countered Trump’s populism.

          It’s truly amazing that Democrats are still delusional about him.

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    Me as a Tennessean: “I bet it’s Andy Ogles”

    Checks

    Goddamn can I read that man like a fucking book. I’m sorry we’re all trying to vote the bastard out but the State gerrymandered the district because… AND I SHIT YOU NOT… “California does it, so it’s okay if we do it too”. Honest to God what our State Assembly said about breaking Nashville up into a hellscape of gerrymandering.

    Do know, he’s an idiot IRL as well. He’s the kind that’s really full of himself and he’s got a super high self-worth in head.

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      I’m in Cali. I don’t think we’re even Gerrymandered that badly, tbh. Someone can correct me if they want, but last time I looked at our congress map, it seemed pretty sane to me. Maybe it’s changed?

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        I don’t know how bad gerrymandering is here compared to other states, but California Gov. Gavin Newsom has vetoed legislation that would have required dozens of his state’s largest cities, counties and educational districts to use independent commissions to draw voting districts, dealing a setback to “redistricting reform” advocates.

        “We’re frustrated, confused and deeply disappointed,” Jonathan Mehta Stein, executive director of voting rights group California Common Cause, said Monday. He added: “We were hopeful that this was an opportunity for California to show the rest of the nation what it looks like to put gerrymandering behind us.”

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          Wow, geez, thanks for sharing that. I’m not at all surprised by that fucking maneuver from Newsom. Fox News puts in overtime making him sound like a really cool insane leftist when he’s pretty solidly centrist democrat, and all in favor of bullshit political games / bulldozing the homeless.

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    What a frivolous waste of congressional speaking time. I thought these guys had real problems to solve? I thought Trump was gonna fix it all this time around? You’re telling me not even 1 week into his new term and he’s already thinking about how the job won’t be done in time?

    Conservatives are pathetic.

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      If this fails, you can expect them to redefine what a “term” means. And if that fails they can simply cancel elections under “emergency” conditions and keep him in office for longer.

      … and if that fails, they can just say “too bad” and do whatever they want anyway because who’s going to stop them?

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      That’s basically what I’ve been posting on Social Media anytime shit like this happens.

      “How does this lower grocery prices?”

      Ask whenever the Right or Center is listening, keep the message on “Trump is distracting you from what he isn’t doing, but should.”

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        Thank you for saying grocery instead of egg. So many people say eggs and it is going to age like milk when the bird flu recedes even though groceries will generally still be expensive otherwise.

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      I just want to point out that this is just one of the many many campaign promises he is trying to fulfill. Sure, it’s a big deal. But simply saying “conservatives are pathetic” is not only reactionary, it is wrong. Look at what is happening to immigrants. You might not see them as a problem, but conservatives do, and they are “solving” it.

      Just saying, this shit is way scarier this time around. They’re fuckin’ moving.

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      On the other hand, better they do nothing than actuality successfully fucking everything up.

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        The worry is that perhaps Trump is smarter than he appears, and all he’s doing is showing his followers that he’s still all about setting up a autocratic government which they’ll get to be the muscle for, ready to do a violent takeover the moment elections stop working (just like last time, but this time better armed and better organised)

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          Trump, if anything, is much less smart than he appears. The guy managed to bankrupt a casino. That takes a special kind of stupid.

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    Do they really expect their orange beanbag leader to still be alive in four years? And if he still is, to still be able to know his own name or speak coherently in public?

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      He only needs to stagger over the four-year line before dropping dead, and Republicans get to stay in charge for four more years.

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      Actuarial tables for an obese guy of his age reckon 50/50 chance of making it to the end of his term. Of course he has access to better healthcare than most.

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        Better health care but I gotta imagine day to day odds aren’t so hot for a dude who’s on a diet of McDonalds and Diet Coke. Kind of surprised he’s made it to 78.

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          Seems there are some people who can subsist completely on hate and cruelty as if it powers them, and they outlive us all. Just more evidence that this is all just a cosmic joke.

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          Trump eating like shit is a phony PR campaign to win support from middle America. Dude has dozens of private chefs. He absolutely eats healthier than the average American. He just eats McDonalds when cameras are rolling.

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        I can see him possibly making it that far … but I really don’t think he’ll be making much more sense the older he gets. He could live another 20 years, it doesn’t mean he’ll have all his marbles.

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        They’ll prop his bloated corpse onto a metal pole to put behind glass as they continue to run things while their dear leader ‘rests and recuperates.’

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        They know it has no chance to pass. It’s with straight up boot licking, or they think they have a plan to bypass the amendment process.

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    A constitutional amendment required 2/3s House and Senate AND 3/4 of states. And they don’t have that. This is more bullshit to distract.

    To amend the U.S. Constitution, a proposed amendment must be approved by a two-thirds majority in both the House of Representatives and the Senate, and then ratified by three-fourths of the state legislatures (38 out of 50 states). Alternatively, an amendment can be proposed by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the state legislatures, but this method has never been used.

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      This is more bullshit to distract.

      This is saying it louder for the people in the back. Musk’s Nazi Salute isn’t getting the message across? Okay, how about this?

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          I mean, kind of. People only follow laws because they believe that the laws will shield them when it is their turn. Otherwise it’s just ‘those with power do what they want.’

          When regular people stop believing in the law, you get Luigis.

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        That would also be an amendment to the Constitution.

        The last amendment that passed took over 200 years to get through the process.

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        the same amount,

        The United States Constitution Article V:

        The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

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      Why aren’t the “left” arming themselves while an obvious fascist takes power? “LOL”

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          I know a few but when I tell people online to prepare they’re mostly dismissive if not outright hostile. I’m sure most of them will disavow any politics and kneel when it’s time to rat on their neighbors.

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      Probably confused as hell watching the democrats refusing to drop gun control as part of their platform after an attempted insurrection and police violence repeatedly happening with no justice system reform.

      But the blue conservatives were never really about representing people. What else did I expect?

      ‘Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary’ - Karl Marx