Background:

August 26, 2024 a dbzer0 instance admin instance banned a user, @marcie@lemmy.ml per “Sanctioned mod due to slanderous & unsubstantiated community ban and zero response to appeal. Ban to be lifted once issue is resolved.”

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=9924804

From what I could gather, she received the instance ban after banning an instance member from a community (!transgender@lemmy.ml). Whether or not the community ban is justified doesn’t really seem to be an issue here, an instance ban is an extreme response to a community ban and is inherently an unbalanced action that has vastly different ramifications. This means that no local users can interact with or see the instance banned user compared to one local user not being able to interact with one community on a different instance. The instance ban has much deeper implications than a community ban and should not be used rashly in response to a community ban.

https://lemmy.ml/modlog/14758?page=1&actionType=All&userId=892112

Something that may be worth to note is that the community banned user is a dbzer0 instance admin; however, I don’t see how this could be much of an issue here, especially in terms of moderation, as there are other unbanned instance admins that can access that community. It just seems that this ban was done for personal reasons, possibly in revenge, that perhaps don’t align with this instance’s userbase’s interests.

In fact, being an admin here seems to be part of the reason why it occurred. i.e. Would this instance ban have occurred if the moderator had banned a non-admin user?

If an instance ban on a moderator banning a local user is an appropriate course of action in this instance, then why is this not the case for any other users banned? I have never received an instance ban for community banning users, but should I be banned? Should db0 be banned from dbzer0 for community banning users? Should all community moderators be sanctioned?

Obviously, there isn’t a precedent for this here, and I particularly don’t want one and this is not a proposal to enact one. This is a proposal to reverse an instance ban on a user who I believe is unjustly banned, as an instance ban is not an appropriate response to a single community ban.

Although, if the admin is upset about the community ban, I implore him to visit !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com rather than pinging the user who’s replies cannot even been seen here due to the ban (https://lemmy.ml/post/22023367/14664616) (https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/14455427).

  • /0 Bot@lemmy.dbzer0.comMB
    1·
    14 minutes ago

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  • PugJesus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    3·
    2 hours ago

    Against lifting the ban. Allowing bad faith actors to act with impunity results in a communicative structure based around bad faith behavior. That the bad faith behavior was brought to attention only because it hit an admin does not inherently mean that the reaction was a means of personal revenge, it just means that the bad faith behavior was brought, with full and (to the admin) indisputable context, to the person empowered to make the relevant decisions.

  • Unruffled [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    3·
    3 hours ago

    Imo Marcie is a bad actor who deserves the ban. This situation arose because Marcie decided to trawl through a bunch of old modlogs to conduct a “purge” of users who she accused of being transphobic in the modlog.

    In my case, she found a removed post of mine encouraging non-tankie trans folk to consider blajah as an option instead of hexbear. Apparently that’s “transphobic” and not anti-tankie?

    Marcie has had months to reverse this decision or to adjust the modlog reason accordingly but has not done so. Personally, I feel that a tankie maliciously slandering people with false accusations doesnt make for a productive member of our community, so I stand by my decision to ban her. Tankies weaponising trans issues to score points against other instances is not acceptable.

    If Marcie is wiilling to change the ban reason to something more appropriate then sure, I’m fine with reversing it. I don’t care about the ban, I care about the ban reason, which is inaccurate and unjust.

    Edit: We also have a matrix appeals channel listed in the sidebar that is probably more appropriate for this type of thing, to be honest, rather than dredging up old instance dramas here.

  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
    5·
    9 hours ago

    I think the ban is less about revenge and more to do with that person spreading libel such as calling someone transphobic for not liking hexbear campists which is patently ridiculous.

    Granted, the optics of this are not great though.

    Anyway, if the ban is expired as it seems from your screenshot, I will vote to lift the ban and put this behind us.

    There is a larger discussion to be had at some point about what to do about campists spreading bad faith libel like this.

    • Eevoltic [she/her]@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      3·
      9 hours ago

      Granted, the optics of this are not great though.

      Yeah, it looks really bad from the modlog perspective, but I still think an instance ban is too much for this. The pinging of the user while knowing they are instance banned really looks bad lol

      Anyway, if the ban is expired as it seems from your screenshot…

      I’m not sure if that’s the current ban or if it was a prior ban that had expired. You might want to double check that.

      There is a larger discussion to be had at some point about what to do about campists spreading bad faith slander like this.

      For sure. It really needs to be discussed. In this specific case, I think reversing the ban will aid with discussion and hopefully some dialogue can form.

    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
      2·
      9 hours ago

      At some point, I would like to completely automate ban/unban threads like these via threativore. I.e. open a vote via threativore for ban/unban, and have the effects be handled automatically based on the vote.