It is my pleasure to announce that effective immediately, we are transferring our community to Lemmy.world! This has been a few months in the making, so my entire mod team is already on board.
FAQ:
Why?
That’s a complicated question with a long answer! The primary difference is moderatorial and ideologial differences between my team and Ada’s excellent team of admins. We are on good terms with Ada and her team, and have gotten her consent to do this. In addition to this, the fact that a large portion of instances do not federate with 196 has caused our reach to be reduced, with many communities creating their own 196es.
How does this work?
Currently, as there is not an easy way to transfer an entire community (trust me, we checked), we are locking the community as mod-only, and moving our focus to the 196 on lemmy.world. For you guys, functionally nothing has changed.
What about the posts?
Well, we tried to transfer them, but there was no real way to do so without absolutely destroying lemmy.world’s federation. For this reason, we are simply archiving this community as mod-only. Everything is staying up, you just won’t be able to post new content. Comments are still enabled, so we will continue to check our modlogs for some time after the transfer has settled.
As for the posts on lemmy.world’s 196, we’re leaving those up too. From this point onwards, all posts made to that community are beholden to the rules you are all used to, but anything pre-existing is getting grandfathered in.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE PUT THEM IN THE COMMENTS OF THIS POST, AND I’LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM.
Once again, here’s the link to our new apartment of awesome. (universal: !196@lemmy.world)
I’m sorry, but lemmy.world was the worst possible decision for a place to relocate to. I wouldn’t follow you there even if I could. If you really have to go with a big, liberal instance that will let you moderate however you want at least you should have gone with lemm.ee. They’re not making lemmy monolithic, not as much of a troll magnet, and far more competent at what they do.
For the love of god, leave this community here and just create a new mod team instead. This community being on Blåhaj specifically is a big plus for a lot of us
if you’re concerned about defederation, why would you go to lemmy.world, which seems no better on that front than lbz?
To be honest, I think a big part of the 196 identity is that it comes from blahaj. Maybe the move will prove me wrong, but I can’t imagine the energy will be the same.
We did want to stay in LBZ, but Ada wasn’t willing to compromise with us. Which is her right, and we respect it.
I don’t think the energy will be any different, though.
Compromise on what? What’s the issue?
The post doesn’t really say anything spesific
Heavy-handed moderation, mostly. Don’t get me wrong, we do love Ada and appreciate her work, but sometimes we’ll see people getting banned or comments getting removed for relatively mild takes. We also often disagreed about the severity of the actions, like ban lengths being way too long considering the reason, or people getting banned over something that really should just be a removal.
To put it bluntly, (and I mean no disrespect, but) her mod actions often felt very vibes-based. Like her feelings heavily influenced her decisions. We want the rules to be enforced in a more objective fashion.
So we asked her to let us handle 196 if the content in question wasn’t explicitly trans/queerphobic or illegal, etc… She disagreed, and we respect her view, so we brought up the idea of moving and she gave us her blessing.
Bye then, I won’t be following
Well, shit… 196 was probably the core of my feed, and my instance doesn’t federate with .world.
Yeah that’s a big concern. LW is probably one of the most-defederated instances after the tankie ones. I’d be using lemm.ee as a safe generic instance that will reach the widest audience, if that’s the goal. (Though personally I really liked 196 being on blahaj.)
Neutral observation: World’s userbase is incompatible with the attitudes and queer acceptance of nearly any community that originates from a place like Blahaj. Your comment sections will go to directly to shit. You will constantly be embattled by .world bigots. Sea-lioning and whataboutism will be common and things you never imagined would be controversial will be. Given the incoming administration I would stick to spaces carved out for the culture you want to see on a “r/196-like” board.
Yea, the community didnt give consent to be constantly embattled with people from a less queer friendly (let alone queer oriented) instance.
That why doesn’t really answer much. Are we making 196 a safe space for transphobia or something?
Absolutely not. Our rules aren’t changing and neither is the mod team. Our top priority is, and always will be, cultivating a community where queer people of all flavors feel welcome and safe.
You should know thst somewhat recently .world was in hot water because their admins have told their mods that they (the mods) are going to have to engage trolls in good faith. The statements were about forcing their mods to allow some “flat earth” comments to stay, to be unable to ban things like that.
agh idk dog… the comment sections of lemmy.world are a bit of a cesspool. I’ll miss the pro-trans good vibes
Moving out of LBZ doesn’t mean we’re not a pro-trans community anymore. As far as moderation goes, nothing is changing. If we see an influx of transphobes or bad actors, we’ll do the same thing we’ve always done and simply ban them.
Dotworld’s admins just brought in a policy that specifically requires mods to be permissive of a certain degree of concern trolling and/or sealioning. Can you be sure you’ll be able to moderate the community to the satisfaction of its existing userbase?
This ain’t it.
Do we really need more centralisation? .world is already too big.
I strongly disagree with this decision and the reasoning behind it. Blahaj is, in my opinion, the best place for this community specifically because of the strong moderation and policies of Ada and other admins here.
Lemmy.world is also the worst instance I can think of outside of the big three tankie instances. It contributes further to the centralization of Lemmy as a whole (since 196 has been one of the most active communities on the entire platform). In my opinion, the .world crowd’s liberal and pro-colonialist/capitalist tendencies are a terrible fit for this community.
I’d have rather seen Blahaj defederate from .world than 196 move there, even if it meant less content and engagement. At least the cultural values of the community wouldn’t have been compromised.
Yeah, here come the shitlibs and sealions, I guess.
In my opinion, the .world crowd’s liberal and pro-colonialist/capitalist tendencies are a terrible fit for this community.
I haven’t noticed this, personally. But even if that’s true, the way I see it, having more explicitly left-leaning communities can only help remedy that issue.
At least the cultural values of the community wouldn’t have been compromised.
The only thing that’s changing is our location. Our moderation policies are staying the same and I don’t expect any significant changes in the types of users coming into this community. And if we do get an influx of bad actors or trolls, we’ll do what we’ve always done and remove them.
The only difference for you guys is going to be what’s written after the @ symbol.
I dislike most big .world communities and the centralization of Lemmy, but I’m glad you guys feel confident in your ability to cultivate the same community in a larger and less curated space.
Wow this is disappointing. Lemmy world seems so massive already which kinda defeats the purpose of federating a bit I feel. Too centralized. I’m just waiting for the seemingly inevitable implosion of world haha.
I mean ultimately it’s whatever, it is what it is and I’ll follow 196 wherever it goes.
Bummer
