It is not Trump’s fault
It is tempting to blame all this on Trump, but that is taking the easy way out. All Trump does is put a new face on the existing privacy problem, so now it concerns a segment of the population that previously didn’t care as much. Proton Mail users have always come from both the left and right side of the political spectrum. Today, we are seeing an influx of liberal users, but Proton Mail has also long been popular with the political right, who were truly worried about big government spying, and the Obama administration having access to their communications. Now the tables have turned.
The same terror the political right has experienced is now being felt in liberal bubbles such as Silicon Valley for the first time. The left is correct to be terrified of a Trump-led NSA snooping on their communications, especially since Silicon Valley giants like Google and Facebook can be forced to spy on users on behalf of Trump’s NSA. However, this precedent was not set by Trump – he hasn’t even taken office yet. The first major incident of a US tech giant being complicit in US government spying actually took place in 2015 under the Obama administration(new window).
Can someone remind me about the terror campaigns we had against the political right before Trump was elected?
morons conflated companies being observed due to their highly illegal activities with government overreach/censorship. Everything is fucking projection with them. After claiming “da libruls” are doing something nefarious, it gives them (in their unhinged mind) the right to do said nefarious activities upon innocent people.
Exactly like claiming people are “eating the cats and dogs” so they could all get a rage boner and terrorize an entire town. They’re dangerous, ignorant, vile people, that I’m ashamed to share a country with.
The political right never faced any terror, except for their own paranoid delusions. Everything in this post is a lie because it’s all based on that one central lie, constantly lyingly reinforced, making it less legitimate with each pass.
Now, everybody else is going to be facing those same idiots’ paranoid delusions in meddling government form, which is something the right never had to deal with.
False. The political right faces terror that people will call them idiots for their shitty views. And a few face terror that the majority of humans will do a double take at wealth inequality.
The political right produces a lot of people who shoot at other political right figures…
Thats something to be scared of?
They don’t mention campaigns. The terror they mention comes from concerns the government is spying on them.
However, people can perpetrate internal campaigns of fear upon themselves. They don’t need to be externally true. It’s known as paranoia.
My point is that the fear we all experienced when Trump was first elected and are experiencing now is not factually compared against any event that should have sparked fear in the “political right.”
Edited to add - terror is a strong word. I didn’t invoke it. The CEO did. So there must be an external source for that terror, else his entire point is vapors.
My point is that the terror doesn’t need an external source. It can be generated internally.
However, an additional point, is that in this case the terror of the Right could be thought of as internal. As in caused by it’s own rhetoric. When the media you trust tells you to be afraid, it’s understandable for you to be afraid. That might be the campaign of terror you’re looking for. Not one from the Left, but one from within the Right itself.
My point is that the terror doesn’t need an external source. It can be generated internally.
Fair, but that’s still not how I read this. Apologies for copying and pasting from another of my replies, but it’s the same answer -
It’s 100% fluff to pretend that until 2016 privacy was only or even mostly something the right was concerned about. His very premise that only now does the left see the problem is ridiculous on its face. (And the more I think about it, it’s typical maga thinking - well NOW you libs see what it’s like!) And he makes up that ridiculous premise only so he can say “hey guys everyone worries about these things, Trump’s not that bad.”
It’s probably worthwhile to note that it would be foolish for the CEO of a business that derives revenue from people that are worried about their privacy to say anything that undermines that worry, regardless how self inflicted it is.
The morality of it is another matter. I don’t think the business model is evil in itself. There is a need for privacy in this world. But your shades of grey are getting darker if you are not giving clarity for fiscal purposes.
What idiots. Wont give them another dime
I don’t think he’s saying that there were actual terror campaigns against the right. More that NSA is terrifying no matter if the left or right has control over it and that it was just as bad before Trump in 2016. Right wingers just get more concerned about NSA when left wingers control it and vice versa.
It’s 100% fluff to pretend that until 2016 privacy was only or even mostly something the right was concerned about. His very premise that only now does the left see the problem is ridiculous on its face. (And the more I think about it, it’s typical maga thinking - well NOW you libs see what it’s like!) And he makes up that ridiculous premise only so he can say “hey guys everyone worries about these things, Trump’s not that bad.”
It’s 100% fluff to pretend that until 2016 privacy was only or even mostly something the right was concerned about
That’s not how I read it.
Trump’s not that bad
That’s definitely not what he’s saying here. He’s saying here that the NSA is bad regardless of who is in power
It’s 100% fluff to pretend that until 2016 privacy was only or even mostly something the right was concerned about
That’s not how I read it.
“The same terror the political right has experienced is now being felt in liberal bubbles such as Silicon Valley for the first time.”
We can agree to disagree.
Most of the right wing movements that I have seen that promote white supremacy , anti immigration , etc use Protonmail…
Oh so they do know who their customers are. Well, not me, definitely.
Privacy focused services will generally be sought after by nazis, illegal arms dealers, CSAM dealers (but I repeat myself). But like with the nazi bar analogy, they need to handle it properly and take certain stances to avoid that group becoming their only customers—and the rest of us blocking it.
Email’s a bit different from the Nazi bar because it’s not public. If they’re serious about privacy, they shouldn’t even know how many of their users are Nazis. But more importantly, their non-nazi users don’t have to interact with nazis regularly like the old regulars at a now-nazi bar would. It doesn’t have the network effect.
They shouldn’t know directly, but they can still be informed by public discourse whether it seems like they have a majority normal users with some creeps thrown in, or if the only circles discussing and promoting their services are nazis, or etc.
So yeah, it’s not a 100% identity between the two, but the point remains that the actions of the owners / operators will influence whether they’ll be interpreted as openly running a nazi bar, or trying to run a normal bar but struggling to keep cryptofascists out, or something on that scale.
That’s interesting I wasn’t aware of that!
Also Protons CEO basically endorsed Trump yesterday. https://lemmy.world/post/24301835
Any good alternative?
Switch to Mullvad and Tuta.
I wish Mullvad didn’t remove port forwarding. It makes them a deal breaker for me.
Windscribe?
I’ll check them out. Thanks!
. … And then one day Proton completely exploded, and no one ever spoke of them again.
Is that really the text people want to boycott proton over? Because what I read here is we been spied on forever, Trump is not a new factor.
It’s 100% fluff to pretend that until 2016 privacy was only or even mostly something the right was concerned about. His very premise that only now does the left see the problem is ridiculous on its face. (And the more I think about it, it’s typical maga thinking - well NOW you libs see what it’s like!) And he makes up that ridiculous premise only so he can say “hey guys everyone worries about these things, Trump’s not that bad.”
Saying Trump is fighting for the little guy is what did it for me. https://lemmy.world/post/24301835
Thank you, I’ll have a read.
we have always been at war with eastasia
