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There’s no need to snap
Femcel: I will flatten you if you disagree with me <3
Distro wars are silly. If someone is happy using Ubuntu, I’m happy they’re a linux user.
Same as the Unix wars and Vim vs. Emacs.
Except the specific distro you use impacts your choices and the future direction and success of Linux as a whole.
If you pick the single enshittified distro then you serve to perpetuate it’s influence.
This silly infighting serves to perpetuate people staying on windows or mac os
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If you have a problem with any particular system, express it in a way that doesn’t denigrate its users. Some people prefer it. Some don’t have a choice.
And NEVER call anyone brain-damaged for any reason.
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You don’t get to speculate about that. Now drop it.
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You don’t think some people who consider trying linux make a web search or ask a question somewhere only to get turned off by people immediately arguing about distros and calling them brain damaged?
Right now it’s ubuntu that’s the meme target, but there’s always something like this. If everyone stopped using ubuntu tomorrow, the people who somehow get their self esteem from having a better distro will find something else to fuel that. They will never be happy
I’m happy if people use linux. I’m even happy if they use WSL or homebrew rather than plain windows or os x as it’s a gateway drug, even though having windows in particular as a base system seems needlessly painful
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people continue to use Ubuntu because they have brain damage
See, this is the type of uselessly disparaging dialogue that people take issue with. Why on earth did you think that this is an OK thing to say?
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it doesn’t though.
it does
people continue to use Windows because it’s already installed.
That’s not the only reason, and it’s not the biggest reason. People pay $200 to get windows on a new computer because they’re never been exposed to anything else.
people continue to use Ubuntu because they have brain damage
This comment says a lot about your opinion, especially why no one cares about it.
Why not use a free distro
people continue to use ___________ because it’s already installed.
Let them use whatever in the hell they want. It gets them exposure that there’s life without Windows/Mac. You can hate ubuntu without gatekeeping people.
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I agree but the extent of my “silly infighting” is “don’t use Ubuntu”. If they stay on Windows instead of Ubuntu, everyone is probably better off.
I don’t see who would be better off in that scenario, except microsoft, and I feel they’re worse for their users and the world than ubuntu
Don’t snap at me, but it would be more apt of you to make a flat pack, or create an app image, or you might get stuck in a tar ball.
Yall wonder why the desktop Linux community hasn’t grown as much as you wish and then upvote stuff like this
The constant superiority struggles do nothing but alienate most computer users
I’m not sure that’s why.
My two cents: I got really annoyed with windows after a random update pushing stuff I don’t want or need, so I spun up Ubuntu. I’ve used a lot in the past, but stopped using it because of anti-cheat in some games, got tired of switching whenever I wanted to play.
Coming back, I find out about snaps. Not a good start, but I found instructions to revert to the good old apt packages I wanted. But then I spent way too long trying to coax the taskbar/system/clock to appear where I wanted them to, plus having things working well in my multi monitor setup, and at some point I just went back to Windows.
I couldn’t care less about distro squabbles, but I do care greatly about usability and polish, and it seems like we’re taking steps back here.
i’m with you.
there are absolutely multiple things leading to an alienation of users and distro squabbles is just one, which i agree is insignificant.
the real thing posts like this betray is the deeper pattern of disdain and coldness even toward those on the “in group.” there is virtually no sense of camaraderie or mutual respect in the community. rtfm culture and one-up-manship are something of the default here, with user experience, accessibility, and user facing documentation falling deeply into the wayside.
Snaps make sens from the Ubuntu side.
Only one package to maintain for an application, even if they have different distributions to maintain. If snap is officially supported by the creator of the application, then it’s less work for Canonical. Well, it would have make more sens if flatpak didn’t exist.
From user side, it makes way less sens :
- the closed source application shop
- if snaps are not officially supported, then Canonical try to create one, and they may be not that great …
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I’d say snaps are aimed at servers. A big aspect of both Flatpaks and Snaps is the whole sandboxed environment thing.
I think that’s a major reason Canonical flubbed snaps, is they shoved them down the throats of casual users instead of focusing on using them in server situations where you want things more “locked down.”
Once again, it does seem silly that they reinvented the wheel, but I mean, that’s actually really common. So common there is an XKCD comic about it. So due to how commonplace such a thing is, it seems weird to attack Canonical so much over it.
it seems weird to attack Canonical so much over it.
I mean, on the technical side, sure. Canonical’s technical choice is just weird. Plenty of fully open app store environments have almost no competition, because self hosting is still hard work.
But all of the business reasons - for having a closed proprietary sole app server - go against everything that Canonical used to claim they stood for.
Canonical’s business choice not to open source the snap servers is an open declaration of war against the FOSS community who have previously rallied around them.
It’s like inviting someone into my basement and locking the door with a key as they get to the bottom step. The action isn’t illegal, but the probable motive is creepy as fuck. (Maybe I just watch too many horror movies. Lol.)
Nobody gave a fuck when Launchpad was open sourced. People just demand and demand and when a company does the thing they don’t care.
Yeah, I mean. If I unlock the basement door, I don’t suddenly regain all the trust I lost, either.
(Edit: In my hypothetical example. I cannot stress enough that there is no one trapped in my basement. I just watch too many horror films.)
It’s also inaccurate to say that they reinvented the wheel since snaps predate flatpaks.
I still use Ubuntu server. It’s not nearly as atrocious as Ubuntu desktop.
I use both, the only other distros I’ve used are Raspberry Pi OS and Raspbian. What am I missing out on? Ubuntu desktop seems fine to me, I’m hoping to transition all my machines to Ubuntu desktop before windows 10 EoL. Unfortunately I still have to keep a windows machine around, there are multiple pieces of software I need for work that are windows only.
Please don’t kill me I’m just a noob who doesn’t know any better.
Ubuntu is fine if you install Flatpak and replace the Ubuntu Software Center with the Gnome Software Center, but that is not something that is obvious or even easy for a newcomer, so in that regard, it is atrocious.
I use Ubuntu a lot and can say I’ve never used the Ubuntu software center. I’m old enough that I still accidentally type apt-get instead of apt though.
I think it’s what they renamed the Snap Store to. Or I’m misremembering. But uninstall whatever app store comes on Ubuntu and install the Gnome one.
Old software (compared to leading or bleeding edge distros), Canonical (the company owning ubuntu) has many controversies surrounding it, snaps (sandbox packaging mode) are problematic in multiple regards etc…
Try fedora before switching entirely to ubuntu. It’s still owned by a company (itself owned by IBM), however it is (at least a bit) better than canonical.
Ubuntu Server LTS releases are unbelievably good. They are absolutely solid as a rock. I’ve had several VMs running it for almost a decade with zero issues.
Ubuntu desktop doesn’t suit my use case though,and nor does Gnome.
I use Server for my Pi-Hole running on an old NUC.
My endpoints run either Mint or Manjaro.
I use Kubuntu LTS. Went with
--minimal-install. Nosnapto worry about from the get-go.I’m yet to have an issue with snaps while using Ubuntu
Ubuntu is ok. That’s it. Let them get on with their life. An OS is a tool that shouldn’t get in the way of the user of trying to achieve a goal. If Ubuntu works for them, Ubuntu is good. Linux has to be a solution, a way to a goal not the actual goal.
Sorry, there’s one thing about the OS|software|product|company|person|car that we don’t like, so we all have to glom on, downvote it to the basement and tell you why we hate it so much.
/s
Thank you for your informed opinion.
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I tried mint; it was worse. I was like oh well, guess I’ll deal with the snaps.
It’s pretty rare hearing that Mint is worse than Ubuntu. Genuine question to just know what people may think about it: what made you think it’s worse than Ubuntu?
I switched from Ubuntu to Linux Mint and I have more issues with Linux Mint. From the top of my head :
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Sleep simply doesn’t work. I have Mint on two different machines and both don’t work (it worked fine on Ubuntu)
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If I do a soft reboot, it reboots to a black screen 100% of the time on both machines. I need to power cycle to reboot.
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I need to restart Pulseaudio frequently because it starts to make white noise.
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Cinnamon desktop environment crashing to a black screen and logging me out randomly.
I am just waiting to finish my current game to switch to a new distro because Mint isn’t working for me.
Cinnamon is so bad, even Ubuntu got rid of it, and that’s saying something.
I like the look, but it has been my worst DE so far
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One immediate thing that irritated me was the process for pairing a Bluetooth keyboard was completely bugged out and it took me a while to even see where and how to enter the code. It looked like it just didn’t work for no reason at first and it took a lot of hunting to figure out that I had to enter a code.
There were other things too. Cinnamon crashed. Qt applications didn’t work in ways that were difficult to troubleshoot. Sleep seemed non-functional. There aren’t any power modes which I used to use heavily on that laptop and on and on.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing and I’m sorry to hear that it’s been what seems like a lot of trouble for you. I don’t use Mint, but it’s what I hear a lot of people recommending to new people, so I’m just curious how things have been.
Have you tried getting support from their forums?
Nah I didn’t have a lot of time to mess around with that stuff I just wanted my system to work. It’s much easier to find answers when things go wrong on Ubuntu too because it’s more popular.
That’s fair.
Oh you mean South African Debian. Yeah that’s a popular mod, I guess.
I use Arch btw :3
i use cbl mariner
The fact that they changed the name to Azure Linux still upsets me. I get upset easily.
We use it at work. Seems mostly fine and similar enough to old CentOS and RHEL.
As an application author, Snaps are much easier to create than Flatpaks.
I heard this before. Is it because of its documentation?
Docs are good, but the main thing is that there are just fewer steps due to good tooling.
