https://lemmy.world/post/24153212
Seems like he wants to redirect the community to Reddit? https://old.reddit.com/r/linuxsucks101/
Here’s the LW announcement for context, and madthumbs’ reply to it.
To keep it short LW implemented a new mod policy - now mods of LW communities cannot enforce specific narratives in their comms. With madthumbs complaining that this would be “brigading”.
…I’m not too big of a fan of how LW admins run their instance. However: the rule in question is reasonable, and it has bloody nothing to do with brigades dammit.
And, really; so far I’ve thought that !linuxsucks was a troll community, since the mod in question is grasping at straws so bloody much at their arguments. But based on their reaction it is not, it borders disinformation already.
community rule 1: Post only about bans or other sanctions from mod(s).
a locked post in an already locked community is not power tripping. it’s not even the purpose of this community. block the community or report it if it violates TOS.
It’s an update about the power tripping which was reported a few days ago.
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com , I hope it works, if not feel ftto remove
looks like my comment was removed… but honestly, the funniest thing ive read today
i don’t see reddit making rash noob decisions
hahahahahahah
>make unpopular posts
>ban people for disagreeing with them
>people downvote your posts
>get mad
Get used to it, bub.
brigading is such a weird complaint, “oh no people are engaging with my post, I actually wanted nobody to see it”
why would you be posting incendiary stuff on social media if you’re not expecting people to have opinions
brigading is such a weird complaint, “oh no people are engaging with my post, I actually wanted nobody to see it”
In other situations, it is not a weird complain, because not all engagement is positive. For example organised and disruptive engagement is typically bad.
However that engagement needs to be organised to be a brigade; you need to be able to point out where the brigaders are coming from, and why. That is simply not the case here, the mod is crying “waah brigade” when there’s none in place.
I agree, it does strikes me as something what needs to have some channel on a different platform (like a discord or other comm) to coordinate, but posting on a federated social media and being mad at negative replies from people seeing it in /all is silly.
People will also go into comms and post provocative comments, get more of a response than expected, and spin their inbox blowing up as brigading for sympathy.
“Nothing but echos in my chamber tyvm” - bellends, probably.
…sigh…
I really think he will fare better over there. Just wanted to remind anyone reading this that, just like removing hate speech is not censorship, down voting something you don’t like is on itself not brigading. I honestly don’t know what this person thought was going to happen, most of the active users on lemmy are nerds who know or are at least sympathetic with FOSS. You don’t walk into a furry convention and start screaming slurs and mocking every attendant and expect everyone in there to love you. If anything, most people were actually respectful, and giving the benefit of the doubt, or just harmlessly ignoring the posts.
I always thought it was a joke community. When a good joke got downvoted, I’d tell people to lighten up because it’s a joke.
That’s the sad part, it’s all genuinely candid. They do hate linux and linux users with all their might.
Yeah brigading is an organized effort by definition. Maybe it did happen here I don’t know the situation but I’ve many times seen people whine about being brigaded when it was just unpopular to random disorganized groups of people.
Now I tend to think people do downvote too much but that’s a separate issue.
Their posts would have taken off just fine if they simply posted highly specific linux distro problems.
The linux folks would come in and cannibalize immediately.
“REDHAT VIOLATING GPL. TYPICAL.”
The whole thing seems wild
I don’t know why the .world admins continue tolerating that trolly mod.
He’s not wrong, but he’s also completely wrong. He’s going to get brigaded on reddit as well. Sooner or later he’s just going to need to learn to use his mod tools, specially if he wants to form a community around negativity.
Is this dingus the reason lemmy.world changed their rules??
There have been a few communities banning a lot of people in the last few days, usually because those people would disagree/downvote
- !linuxsucks@lemmy.world
- !usauthoritarianism@lemmy.world
- vegan/carnivore communities
There are dedicated threads in this community (!yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com )
So not sure which one triggered the whole thing
That’s funny, I pissed off a bunch of vegans in those threads because I pointed out that we have to kill and eat other life to stay alive and that doesn’t necessarily make us better people because we pick and choose the “life” we think matters based on what looks and acts like us.
They read it as an excuse to kill more instead of a reason to respect all life more, which I think is funny as fuck. I think it really shows where their minds are at, because they can’t even philosophically engage with a different perspective that supports the same idea, that we should minimize suffering and all life is valuable, because they immediately view it as an excuse to kill more.
This is probably off-topic for the current thread.
I’m not sure what threads you’re referring to, but if they were on a vegan community then I think that’s a bit uncalled for. You don’t need to go into their space and tell them how they’re wrong.
But if it was just a thread on another community, then I’m obviously fine with it.
It was here, in yepowertrippingbastards
Yeah that’s fine.
I’ve just seen a few too many examples of people going into a community entirely for shit stirring purposes and then playing the victim when they get rightly rebuked. I’ll even defend tankies on that front. Everyone deserves a space where they can talk freely with like-minded individuals without being harassed.
You’re right, feeding plants to animals and then killing those animals definitely doesn’t kill as much as eating plants directly; that’s just crazy talk. You’re such a champion of animal rights, way to go!
Yep, still choosing to misread what I said because you want to be able to hate others so badly. Get a grip.
I don’t hate you, I just don’t want to let abjectly stupid nonsense stand. I hope you have a nice day.
Considering you didn’t engage with the content, ask questions, or find out more, and just decided it was “abjectly stupid nonsense” and needed to try to make fun of it says otherwise.
still choosing to misread what I said
I’m struggling to understand your philosophical position. If you believe that plants deserve moral consideration, how would that not lead to avoiding killing animals as a way to minimize loss of plant life?
My position is that all life is valuable. We live in an ecosystem we’re literally destroying and yes animal agriculture is a massive part of that. That’s why anyone who can reduce the amount of meat they eat should, and they should understand that when they take a plants life they’re not “better” or more morally upstanding for eating the plant instead of the animal.
We don’t have a choice, as living things, to not participate in the murder and consumption of other life. Life must feed on life. We cannot eat rocks. Only plants can synthesize solar energy. Thus we must have respect for all the life we consume to sustain us, including vegetables. Just because they don’t have eyes ears nose and a face that makes us think of ourselves doesn’t mean we are any more moral, it just means on some level we’ve realized that we must murder to stay alive, and that’s step one to respecting the life we take.
I agree with vegans, that under our current scientific understanding of the world, that we simply don’t know anything about plant consciousness or pain, but we know a great deal about the consciousness and pain of animals, because their cognition works like our own. Under that framework, it makes sense to limit meat consumption to limit suffering.
However, science is always changing, and I will not say unequivocally that plants, bugs, bacteria and so on don’t feel pain or suffering. As such while I am more than happy to cut meat out of my diet, it doesn’t necessarily make me feel more moral, upstanding, or clever. It just means I’ve made a choice that “some
animalsliving things are more equal than others.”Thank you for at least asking a question and engaging with the position.
Off-topic, but speaking as a non-veggie, I somewhat disagree on the idea that vegetarianism is an arbitrary distinction.
Of course from the perspective of killing things, it absolutely is - but from the standpoint of causing the least pain possible, then vegetarianism would be more ethical (and veganism moreso) as to my awareness plants can’t feel pain beyond automatic trauma responses (I.e. releasing pheromones).
Until we evolve to photosynthesise and pull nutrients from the ground (timeline never), I would argue that it is always more ethical to kill something incapable of pain than to kill something capable of it.
As to why you got so much push back, my opinion is that your argument sounds an awful lot like the “conservative” argument of if it’s not perfect, it’s not worth doing at all. An argument that a lot of people get frustrated by at the best of times.
Albeit, if you want to point out the arbitrary nature of a diet, I might point you towards Pescetarianism, basically a veggie who eats seafood. I find the idea of an ethical boundary based on habitat to be completely arbitrary.
Bunch of fruit murderers, the lot of them.
Leave the fruits alone, just leave them alone!
Hey, that’s awesome.
Seriously. I was saying somewhere else that it would be nice if we had the specific examples of what communities were “abusing their mod powers,” to help figure out whether this is a good policy or a horrifying policy. These are exactly the type of one-viewpoint communities that I really don’t think need to exist on Lemmy.
Moderators have the power to enforce only one viewpoint within their communities, in the software. That doesn’t mean that culturally, that should be an accepted thing to do. It should be met with the ridicule that it deserves, and if we’re taking a step towards that, then hooray.
Of course, none of this guarantees that this policy won’t slippery-slope its way down into forcing moderators to allow trolls of the friendly-to-the-admins variety, but I am hopeful, I guess. Not hopeful enough to resubscribe to a bunch of lemmy.world stuff I’ve been happier being unsubscribed to, of late, but hopeful nonetheless.
