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I appreciate the sentiment, so I upvoted. Voting is integral to a liberal democracy, just start at the local level.
My thinking, being from the US personally, is if you have a solid grass roots coalition who can provide support it’s a win. Getting someone elected at the top won’t help if you don’t have support underneath them.
“If voting worked they would make it illegal” is true, because they disenfranchise voters all the time. Unfortunately, a liberal democracy is the strongest path forward to a better system of government/economic redistribution.
Liberal democracy is antithetical to both democracy and freedom.
Not gonna engage with anything I said huh? Ok.
I did. Liberal democracy is not a popular democracy; the average person has no power or rights in it. It is a democracy of the ownership class.
What form of democracy can you see working in the real world today?
- Anarcho-communism (it worked for millions of people in Spain, Ukraine and Korea before the soviets allied with the fascists to invade them).
- Zapatismo (Southeastern Mexico).
- Democratic Confederalism (Rojava).
As much as I respect the Zapatistas and the Syrian autonomous zone, I would argue those places aren’t doing better than most liberal democracies.
The one that is currently working in the most populous country, the one that has raised the standard of living for the most people in history.
You mean India?
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Unfortunately, a liberal democracy is the strongest path forward to a better system of government/economic redistribution.
Citation needed.
Why? What would a citation afford you?
I want to know how you figure fake democracy substitute qualifies as “the strongest path forward to a better system.”
It’s our current system.
What is a stronger and more viable path forward in your opinion?
It’s our current system.
Yes, the one you just learned happily funds genocide - just like it has for more than a hundred years now.
What is a stronger and more viable path forward in your opinion?
You mean… apart from something that can be called democratic with a straight face?
Yes, all true. How do we realistically move forward? Out of a liberal democracy into a better form. Without making conditions worse for people.
Without making conditions worse for people.
Did you happen to notice what Palestinians had to recently go through just to make people in the US’s blinkers fall off?
There are no magic wands that will make this happen without things getting much, much worse. Of course, that doesn’t mean things won’t get much, much worse anyway.
You have to pay taxes and is still under the jurisdiction of the laws, even if you do not vote. Why the fuck am I gonna forfeit my vote if I have to pay taxes? Nah, vote anyways, fuck the system, they want us to pay taxes, we should be loud, both on the streets and on the ballot.
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