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@BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works Sorry I can’t figure out how to reply in thread, made an account just to tell you you can get a nøglebrik/kodeviser for MitId. It’s a fully offline TOTP thing that you can use instead of the app. I never even installed the app :)
Every DRM related app afterwards: WARNING! This phone is running insecure software and is incompatible with this service.
And before you tell me just to not use Netflix on my phone, I’m talking about a government app that lets me authenticate and without which I can’t read official messages or login to any government or banking service.
So if I want to survive as an adult Dane, I pretty much have to figure out which company I would like to get sodomized by, and which is less of a clingy little bitch afterwards.
Oooooor have a secondary cheap absolute trash phone that is ONLY for those shitty government auth tools. Not ideal but gives you some control again
… and then hope that you don’t get hardware issue warranty claim denied because of the software.
Does all that and still used WhatsApp lol
I still haven’t found a way to make my parents use Signal, so either I stop communicating with them (which is tempting sometimes) or have this compromise
use matrix with the whatsapp bridge
Can you get that to work with all messages or only a few groups you have to setup manually? Was looking into it before I started self hosting but didn’t find it desirable at that time and just resorted to do what anon did.
all messages. and it works really well!
Not everyone has the possibility to self-host
you can join public instances, and maybe even make them set it up for you.
While you are technically correct, most people vastly overestimate the cost of self hosting a (matrix) server. Mine costs like 5€ a month with domain and we use it as a group of 5 people.
If they’re serious about talking to you, they’ll budge. Call their bluff.
I just don’t communicate with anyone that insists on using products that have user agreements I don’t agree with. The amount of bullshit user agreements are getting overloaded with makes them dangerous legal contracts that can have serious implications on your rights. Just ask the family whose daughter died at a Disney theme park and when they tried to sue Disney tried to force them to arbitration because their son had tried Disney+
Well evidently you’re not in charge of anyone’s healthcare: when you have a parent that has to be taken care of, you have to compromise if they’re not able to adapt
I’d rather use SMS than sign my rights over to Meta. They can use that if they can use facebook or whatsapp.
You cannot attach medical prescriptions to SMS
Wow. In Canada you cannot get prescription renewals any other way
And then anon still walks around with a beacon in their pocket
I hate phones so much.
I love phones, just hate the companies running it.
Same with most tech, the tech isn’t evil, its just how its being used, and who’s steering its future.
Thanks to the companies you cannot love the phones without accepting the company’s every whim. So I don’t love phones.
Honestly I wish we just had dumb phones and went back to Palm Pilots. But there’s so much stuff that makes a phone mandatory nowadays.
Nobody, nothing stopping you from buying a dumb phone and a dumb tablet. You can do it right now.
That’s why my current phone is a Pixel running GrapheneOS. I still hate Android, but at least I don’t have to run Play services on my main profile. I do run it on a separate profile though for a couple services that need it.
I really just want Linux with decent support for phone features (MMS/calls/data on any carrier, with full wake from sleep reliability), decent battery life, and decent audio quality. Unfortunately, PinePhone doesn’t seem to handle those things properly (maybe it does MMS now?), so I stick w/ my GrapheneOS phone, which at least cuts out most of the crap from Android.
install Pokémon Go
allow all permissions
Install pokemon go
Spoof location
Nobody cheats on Pokemon Go… the horror!!
very based.
It’s honestly such a pain in the ass to say no to everything Google shoves down your throat these days. And even after you say no it will remind you every so many days just in case you changed your mind after the 15th time you said no. Android used to be the “cool” phone but nowadays if you don’t install your own custom ROM it’s basically just Apple with extra steps
The number of services that have adopted dark patterns is too much.
It’s no longer “No” with a checkmark that says “Don’t ask me again” to only “Not now” with the implied consent that they can ask you again later.
Dropbox asks me every fucking time I use the browser.
NewRelic asks me every fucking day.
Amazon asks me every fucking order.
I wouldn’t say that’s a recent development. Back before I knew anything about privacy and security, I switched from android to apple because I was tired of all the bloat. My 8 gb phone had virtually no space for photos or apps I wanted after 5 years of updates for non deletable apps. That was almost 10 years ago.
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Why not just get a google-less ROM at that point?
Lack of availability
Some modern Samsung phones can’t have their bootloaders unlocked.
Edit: I guess maybe they can, although the instructions for this seem kind of sketchy.
Did you read the greentext? Literally says they’re unlocking the bootloader to root the phone.
Oh, whoops, not all the way, no. Yeah, in that case, that’s dumb as hell.
Surely nobody would lie on the internet
Likely because of apps that depend on GMSThey removed the services too. Yeah that seems pointless.Also, microG for that scenario.
Fake: Anon can do any of this
Gay: Bought a samsung phone
P.S the kids have been raving about this phone just reduces all those steps to “buy phone”.
> buy fairphone because I hate constructors adding their bloatware to my phone.
> Boot it up, insert SIM.
> Next reboot, my carrier tries to get me to install their shit with a permanent notification (thankfully I can hide it, just have to do it every reboot).How the fuck is that even legal
> Next reboot, my carrier tries to get me to install their shit with a permanent notification
Is this some US thing? What do you mean? I’ve never seen this.
I thought that could only happen in third world countries like the US but unfortunately this is in France. I’ll reboot my phone to show you.
Edit : well, apparently that’s related to connecting to the carrier’s network because right now I’m in another country and it doesn’t happen
I can show you a screenshot of the shitty app it installed the first time that happened, that it appears I can’t uninstall without rooting the phone. Keep in mind I bought the phone directly from Fairphone so it was not “SIM locked” to my carrier :
I looked again for more info about that app and it appears they are pulling that shit with the phone constructor’s consent. After all they are the main mobile phone carrier in France by a huge margin, which probably helps for these kinds of deals. I would have liked to have been consulted too though…
That app in the picture was installed automatically? 😮 Abhorrent and totally scary. Does that mean they can install whatever they like on your phone any time they want? Do you know how this works?
Basically through a notification saying I need to setup the voicemail iirc
Keep in mind even if you decline everything and use a special ROM, your SIM card is a tiny computer running Java (yes, I know) and your carrier can run arbitrary applets there with access to your modem and some RAM.
It has been shown multiple times that they can track locations this way, and some exploit chains have allowed them to use this to fetch other data from the phone.
Holy shit, what? Do you have any examples of this?
That’s in the specs apparently
A UICC consists of a CPU, ROM, RAM, EEPROM and I/O circuits
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_integrated_circuit_card
No headphone jack… So close!
In the EU, I’m not headphones with jacks will be allowed to be sold (Arstechnica).
Laptops get until April 2026 to comply, but most other things—phones, tablets, handheld gaming devices, computer accessories, and wireless headphones—will have to be powered by USB-C to be sold inside the EU from now on.
I think it’s only a matter of time until phones with dual or triple USB-C start emerging.
The key part is that you can charge and listen at the same time. Two USB-C ports would be fine IMO, but no, fuck me, you get one port.
I don’t see how this has anything to do with blocking headphones w/ jacks, this only says wireless headphones have to be powered by USB-C. I’ve had wireless headphones that also have a jack so you can still use the headphones if the battery dies, and I also have headphones without power whatsoever and only work with a jack.
I’m surprised those aren’t around yet
Making those harder and harder to find it seems. For me it was the extra charge to ship it.
If I’m not mistaken, Anon’s Phone will still communicate with Google services for location services and push notifications after this.
No, not after he removed everything with Google in the name, including Google Play services.
What anon doesn’t realize it’s that you don’t need to root your phone for all this, you can just use adb or the universal android debloater.
— sent from a Samsung that’s degoogled in the same exact way.
I see. In that case his push notifications will not work for apps that rely on Google play services for them. A few other things off the top of my head:
A-GPS SUPL must be changed Captive portal must be changed DNS, NTP servers must be changed Depending on how much you trust Chromium system webview should be avoided
It is not trivial to remove Google from Android, even AOSP
Yep, those are all issues you run into. Without microg you lose quite a bit of functionality. Personally, I’m content with sending less data to Google, so I leave some things alone.
For me it just :
- root it with magisk
- install adguard + adaway + blocker + LuckyPatcher + LSPOSED
- add custom filter to adguard & adaway like HAGEZI, 1Host, Cubic, StevenBlack
- Tweak adguard so it always run on startup, using DNS Bootstrap/Falback, enable AntiDPI, etc…
- Install LSPOSED Modules like HideMyAppList, Disable Target API Block, Let Me Downgrade, BOOTLOADERSPOOFER, etc…
- Set Blocker mode to package manager
- Disable any SDK/Tracker inside any apps with Blocker
- Install magisk module like PIFork, ZygiskNext, Shamiko, etc
- Reboot my phone
- Tweak any LSPOSED Module so i can use any mobile banking apps or apps that stop working if phone rooted
- Reboot again
- Check play integrity fix & disable play protect
- ???
- PROFIT…
”just” 😅
Isn’t lsposed dead?
It has been forked and resuscitated.
For me i’ts just
- root
- unlock bootloader
- flash custom rom
- install F-Droid
Btw, you should remove Play Services too, they are the main ads/tracking point most of the libraries in the apps communicate with.
I still use PlayService but their native ads and tracker are blocked via Blocker apps through package manager mode.
For further more ads/tracker block i used adaway & adguard as main & sub with many custom filter that i add to it, so it can protect the whole phone even the sneakiest ads/tracker.
Buys a $1000 modern communication device
Disables all ways for it to communicate or use its modern services
Just buy a Nokia dumb phone and call it a day.
Imagine thinking that there are no modern Services or Communication besides Apple and Google
My point is that you’re buying a branded device specifically because it has ease of use features but then you’re replacing them all with custom services that you now need to upkeep manually and tend like a garden. It’s over complicating the purchase.
A perfect interpretation by somebody staring out over the walls of their own garden. “Pah, look at those peasants out there, putting effort into their freedom. How stupid can you be?”
What do you mean? Just buy a phone that doesn’t include tracking features if you want a phone without tracking features…? Like why buy a Mazda CX5 if you are going to modify it and replace the engine and body to turn it into a Honda Civic?
I get why people would want to privacy proof their phone but it’s going overboard to basically undo everything that makes a flagship device a flagship device.
Ah yes, the market will surely regulate itself. So what phone would you recommend if I want flagship hardware (nice screen, fast processor etc.) but don’t want to be tracked? You make it sound like I’d have a bunch of phones to choose from.
That’s a false equivalency. You’re not replacing the engine but replacing what controls the engine. No-one is ripping out the hardware of their phones in this picture. It’s the software being replaced.
Privacy conscious people buy flagship phones for the hardware. The screens are better, the performance is better, they have more connections and whatnot (some higher wifi version, some higher bluetooth version, etc.).
Just buy a phone that doesn’t include tracking features
Such as?
I’ve looked, and I can’t find one. The best I found are:
- PinePhone/Librem 5 - basic phone features don’t work properly (crap battery life, can’t use all carriers in the US, audio sucks)
- FairPhone - not directly available in the US (can get from reseller)
- alternative Android ROM GrapheneOS/LineageOS/Calyx/DivestOS
I went with a Google Pixel 8 w/ GrapheneOS. I don’t have any of fancy AI features that Google advertises because they all rely on Google Play services (no thanks), but it works competently as a phone, has 7+ years of promised SW support, and gets a decent repair score (not perfect, but everything important seems serviceable).
I’m coincidentally looking at buying a newer car, and everything has spyware, so I’ll definitely be ripping out whatever phone home devices they have. This means no remote start, probably no navigation (though navigation doesn’t need to phone home), and a bunch of other modern features won’t work. But I don’t get the option to get one w/o it w/o getting an older car, so I guess that’s what I need to do. So I plan to rip apart the car to remove the SIM or antennas, or at least remove their power.
I wish there were actual privacy-respecting options available, but I guess this is the world we live in now…
No one likes the option, but Tesla uniquely will let you opt out of all car <-> Tesla communications. Don’t buy full self driving as I don’t think that works opted out. Definitely don’t subscribe to premium connectivity as opting out disables connectivity.
Is there a guarantee that works? As in, there’s no way to locate my car if stolen? Because that’s what I want.
If there’s a way for Tesla to access my car remotely after opting out, there’s a way for them to change the terms of the sale and require phoning home. I want technical guarantees, not promises backed by a mutable service agreement.
this is lemmy
I like that in this scenario they still have to install Whatsapp to be able to phone on the phone.
Frankly, my stance to this is to just do what’s convenient and deal with the rest. For big, meaningful change you need regulation, not user behavior.
What do you mean? They can phone without, they install it to “communicate with boomeer relatives”, as it’s written.
It was hyperbole… but only just. Even most of my audio calls happen over Whatsapp these days. Certainly 100% of the texting.
I know this is very region-dependent, so mileage may vary, but I did find it funny that it was acknowledged here despite the deliberately convoluted deep scrubbing depicted on the rest of the post. It’s… less funny now that you made me explain it, though.
OK, I’ve never used WhatsApp so I thought you meant that with these changes the regular call feature would be broken.
Oh, no, not at all. It’s just that socially in some territories Whatsapp is incredibly ingrained. Even if you cut off every Meta app people will expect you to be reachable that way by default, so you kinda can’t avoid it. I don’t know if that was the point of the post, but it’s the best bit, at least if you’re in that kind of place.
