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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/22814154
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Literally on the heels of the revelation that China is spying on all chats and phone calls, these clowns still think back doors are safe in any way.
I swear, humanity is simply failing the IQ test here.
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What we need are laws to prevent this kind of court trolling because courts all over europe are wasting time and money on these repeated proposals. Politicians should be held accountable for wasting everyone’s time.
In the US somebody recently found a way to account powerful people.
Yay murder.
Yes, murder. That’s what his company did to many families.
But it didn’t work, ended up just with bruises.
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For anyone else who’s curious about the history I actually went and looked this up. Photos of the keys were accidentally leaked on the Travel Sentry website. This made it very easy to copy. The website says “Sensitive Information – do not post, copy or disseminate”. Clearly someone elected to do the opposite.
Oh no you don’t understand, with this legislation bad actors and foreign intelligence would not be allowed to use these back doors. So they can’t do it because it’s illegal. That’s why it’s 100% safe. I mean don’t you trust the it competence of 60+ year old law makers?
OK I will stop now
Do I seriously need to put always on cameras in my luggage?
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I believe DeviantOllam recommends putting a gun in your bag (from memory a starter gun counts as a gun to TSA but doesn’t have the whole licence restrictions of an actual firearm). Because you have a gun you are allowed to lock it with an actual padlock and the TSA can’t just go through your stuff. If you put a padlock on otherwise they’ll just cut it off and you’re back to square one.
I just use a zip tie. It keeps the bag shut and it’s obvious if they open it. Of course they could potentially replace it with an identical zip tie. You can get security seals that are serial numbered if you want to protect against that.
You can undo and reuse a zip tie by just lifting up the flap with a small object.
Good idea. And you could easily add a mark (maybe green permanent marker?) and they’re most likely not going to replicate it. Prep a few and carry the zip ties in your personal item or something.
That said, zip ties seem kind of annoying since you’ll need to cut them at the destination, without being able to being a knife with you.
I put a cheap pair of wire cutters in the front pocket of the suitcase to cut the zip tie off with.
If your bag has an exposed zipper, then a malicious actor doesn’t need to pick your lock, they can just get through the zipper with a pen usually, and they can still zip it up after.
I guess it could be better to not lock it at all and use some other form of tamper detection?
Or I guess I could just travel with a pelican case so they have to defeat the lock to get in.
Be sure to put a flare gun in it. Then you’re actually allowed/required to lock it.
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It’s in the video how he closes it again to remove the evidence. https://youtu.be/wpIJVWXsBBI?t=93
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Yeah, okey. That makes sense. I would be difficult to hide the intrusion if you can’t move the zippers.
wow, a lock that decreases your security
Even worse btw, you can 3d print the tsa master keys. I have them printed, and confirmed them working.
Tsa knows about this, and they have publicly said they dont care
Where I am, we have “Post Office approved” locks, cam locks for your post box that can be opened with your key plus a special key that the postie has, in case they have a parcel that won’t go in the slot.
Yes, you can get one of the special keys if you know where to look
No, it isn’t a problem because we’re not a bunch of fucking savages 😂
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This metaphor is so bad. You expect people on the internet to act like good neighbours?
Context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Combat_Child_Sexual_Abuse
How your representatives in EU parliament voted: https://mepwatch.eu/9/vote.html?v=134463&country=fr|de
Looks like it’s mostly german representatives that block it. They remember the stasi.
It was the one good thing the german liberal party FDP was good for, but they aimed to destroy the coalition from the inside (literally! they made plans and discussion meetings when the best time to destroy it would be). And now they are out and we have the SPD and the Greens left. So one party who really has a hard on for surveillance and the other one who is undecided.
In all seriousness, the EU has become beyond frustrating in so many ways… Kudos for fighting against corporate monoliths, but… c’moon!
I don’t think you get the EU. It’s a democracy and everyone can submit proposals.
This is a proposal from pro-Russian Orban from Hungary, and not EU’s opinion.
I see your point, although I still can’t shake the impression that the entire EU’s shifting away from its potential of being the best example. Sure, it’s down to individual people with individual views, but we’re still to see if it’s greater than the sum of its parts, to be honest…
Don’t get me wrong, I’d still rather we have the EU than not have it, but I’d wish to see a lot more reasonable and rational minds on the council and have it be felt throughout its policies.
The EU is cosplaying a democracy.
*USA
You shouldn’t be using whatsapp anyway.
First they came for whatsapp. I didn’t say anything because I don’t use whattsapp.
It would concern all messaging apps, which is beyond stupid. Lol, even nato uses the matrix protocol.
Lots of defense uses XMPP as well
No, this would only affect the ones run by corporations with a presence in the EU
Oh, I thought that was clear by context…
I definitely would sideload the secure versions, if I was affected, which got more easy thanks to EU, lol
Again, no sideloading needed. You’re misunderstanding the executive.
They enforce this by freezing bank accounts and issuing fines to corporations, not by internet censorship.
So any company that doesn’t have money flowing through the EU is unaffected. And any company that does have money flowing through the EU has a choice to either pull out of the EU or to fuck over their users.
I’m sure, that they would ask apple and google to remove all messaging apps from organisations with no EU money flow?
Or do you not think so too?
I dont think that would be legal, no.
I don’t see how this would be a problem either except on Apple. Blocking the sites offering the apk/deb/exe/etc - good luck, doubt their censorship skills are that good given that they’re unlikely to want a ton of collateral damage like more authoritarian places.
And instead use what? Signal? And then chat with the zero other people who use it?
Telling europeans to not use whatsapp is like telling people not to use the power grid. It’s more popular here than iMessages are in the US.
I’m European using signal, I frequent in two countries very often (not neighbouring countries) and for the past two years I’ve noticed more and more people using signal.
Ditched whatsapp half a year ago and haven’t had problems. Some friends use both signal and whatsapp.
Not saying many in whole Europe use signal but it certainly is not only popular in US.
Edit: but not saying using signal will change anything if this bill passes. No matter what popular app we use we are going to have no privacy at all if this thing passes…
WhatsApp uses the same encryption as Signal and chat screening won’t be exclusive to WhatsApp anyway, so whatever WhatsApp will need to implement to comply, Signal will have to follow.
Signal is open source, so no it will always be available without chat control. https://github.com/signalapp
Good luck setting up your own server and convincing everybody else to use that.
Signal is not federated. It relies on a central server, meaning for all intends and purposes Signal controls the entire chain.
End to end encrypted, I think chat control is all about client-side scanning so the app being open source is a big deal and would prevent client-side scanning because even if they build in client-side scanning, it’s open source and people can remove it.
Just have the server link a hidden device, boom, all chats decrypted.
Signal is pretty control freak-y, so would not be surprised if they can somehow prohibit third-party modifications entirely. That would be out-of-character for them, though, so doubt they would actually go through with this.
Still, if that went through, I’d discount all the centralized solutions.
Very true. It wont matter what pops up in the appstore after either.
Only if they do business in the EU…
I dont know a single euroepean that is using WhatsApp, and im european… i mostly encounter asian people that use it.
Then you’re in a weird bubble. Nearly everyone uses it. I do. I hate it, I think its usability is bad, why can I only link four devices, etc.
WhatsApp is everywhere. Even at school it’s used for parents discussions. I have Signal but not using it since nobody has it…
Why do you assume I’m American? I am, but you would have no way of knowing that. I could be Croatian for all you know.
Nobody assumed that, but you still haven’t answered the question…
I haven’t made any assumptions about where you’re from. I’m only arguing against the blanket statement of telling everyone to stop using whatsapp.
Sorry but if you want private messaging Signal is your only option. I’m sorry you all have to deal with it but now is a good time to bully friends and family into switching to Signal.
Look, it was discussed for years already and we have a consensus; it’s technically and legally not possible without giving you the keys (methaphorically and literally) and we can’t give you the keys because that would quickly lead to you abusing the power given to you.
I use signal but I always kind of wanted to switch people to threema but in reality it’s hard enough getting them to install signal.
Threema really doesn’t do a good job of making it easy to switch. For the regular user there is too much that can go wrong and its too easy to lose your chats when migrating to a new phone
I actually don’t really understand how they would do this. Isn’t WhatsApp end to end by protocol? They’d have to share messages at the client side. What a mess.
They want to force WhatsApp to scan your private messages on your device.
End-to-end encryption is worthless, when it’s done by a company like meta in a closed source project.
If you own the client, you own the message, agreed.
End to end encrypted with keys stored on Meta’s servers.
Just kidding but I’m sure there’s a backdoor somewhere.
