NATO and Ukraine will hold emergency talks Tuesday after Russia attacked a central city with a hypersonic ballistic missile that escalated the nearly 33-month-old war.
Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t realize the rules were that the defending country had to stay on their side of the line. So Russia can invade neighbors with impunity, but striking Russian soil is just too far.
You’re shifting the framing to “NATO is escalating the conflict.” Motherfucker, Russia can deescalate any time by leaving. Why is the onus on everyone else to not cross any red lines?
I think the problem is what you consider an escalation. If someone slaps you in the face, you slapping them back is considered an escalation or proportional response? I think most would consider framing it as an escalation as a type of shifting the blame or changing the frame of events that minimize the responsibilities of the the guy that first slapped you.
My dude, if I come to your house and start punching you in the face and you start punching back, are you now escalating the conflict? No. We’re already fucking brawling, and I started it.
If you hit someone, dont be surprised when they hit back. Russia can always go home. They are escalating every day they stay. Ukraine needs to be more armed then maybe russia gets the message.
You’re right, I think that Nato should start sending over some soldiers to “help” out the Ukrainians, the way that the Russians have brought in North Koreans.
I don’t care how you feel about the conflict but
NATO: Escalates by giving and allowing Ukraine to strike Russia with longer range missiles
Russia: Retaliates
NATO:
Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t realize the rules were that the defending country had to stay on their side of the line. So Russia can invade neighbors with impunity, but striking Russian soil is just too far.
Stop.
I’m confused from where you are drawing that I said that
It’s more that NATO shouldn’t be (and isn’t really) surprised.
I never said or implied what actions they should or shouldn’t take or anything. Where are y’all getting this?
You’re shifting the framing to “NATO is escalating the conflict.” Motherfucker, Russia can deescalate any time by leaving. Why is the onus on everyone else to not cross any red lines?
I mean it’s definitely not a statement of right or wrong to suggest that taking a new, further step is an escalation above the previous situation.
I think the problem is what you consider an escalation. If someone slaps you in the face, you slapping them back is considered an escalation or proportional response? I think most would consider framing it as an escalation as a type of shifting the blame or changing the frame of events that minimize the responsibilities of the the guy that first slapped you.
My dude, if I come to your house and start punching you in the face and you start punching back, are you now escalating the conflict? No. We’re already fucking brawling, and I started it.
Sure, going from being a helpless victim to one fighting back is an escalation. Isn’t always a bad thing?
Lol, interesting way to frame it. Let’s zoom out a bit…
Russia: Starts it
Ukraine: Fights back
Russia: surprised Pikachu
Russia: Escalates
Ukraine’s allies: Supports Ukraine
Russia: Arms on hips guy
Russian troll alert
I don’t understand how saying NATO shouldn’t be surprised at this outcome makes my comment somehow pro-russia in any way
Nobody believes that you don’t understand
Think again. Slowly.
I mean it seems pretty logical to me?
One side takes a step they so far haven’t in a war, the other responds. It’s not surprising. This isn’t a statement that’s pro- either side here.
If you hit someone, dont be surprised when they hit back. Russia can always go home. They are escalating every day they stay. Ukraine needs to be more armed then maybe russia gets the message.
You’re right, I think that Nato should start sending over some soldiers to “help” out the Ukrainians, the way that the Russians have brought in North Koreans.
That’s very naive to think they wonder about it. There is even a threat of a nuclear strike.
What they do is to plan the next steps.
In my opinion NATO should prepare for war.
No, NATO wants escalation I understand that. This was the outcome they wanted.
NATO wants Russia to fuck off back home, thanks.
Yes, it’s only now that war seems like a possibility they should consider.
Retaliated.
With the freshly made prototype.
Sure. I’ll believe that when a Rooster wakes me up by name instead of declaring war on the sun.
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