I’m thinking of taking my dosage of 6mg a day down to 4mg a day so I can stockpile 2mg each day in case of an emergency. Or maybe every other day to stockpile 1mg each day.
I’m worried though about it negatively affecting me mentally, but I also know that if I do run out and don’t have a stockpile, it’ll be much worse.
Or maybe I could ask my doctor to prescribe me extra so I can stockpile without reducing my dosage?
Anyways, what are your thoughts on doing this? I know Erin Reed recently put out an article which mentioned it being done (which is what inspired me to make this post).
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Talk to your doctor. Reducing your hormones and creating instability in your well-being is not worth the small amount you might stockpile by that method, especially in this moment where you need all the help you can get.
Also, if you switch to injections, you can ask for a new vial once a month, since drawing from the vial can compromise the rubber stopper and so for safety reasons it’s justified to get a new vial once a month (a compromised vial isn’t sterile and might cause infection). If you use a smaller gauge needle (like 21G rather than 18G) to draw from the vial, you can reduce risk of coring the vial and this can be a means of safely using the whole vial and stockpiling the extra.
Thanks for the reply. I don’t know very much about injections but I’ll ask my doctor. I do have a few questions though about how to stockpile with them. From your reply, my understanding is that they are only used for a month, but if I use a smaller gauge needle I could use them for 2 months, which would allow me to save every other vial? Is that correct?
To clarify, I think it’s most common for people to open a vial and use it until it’s gone. Most people don’t throw away their vials after a month, though if there is a reason to suspect contamination you should throw away the vial. My point was just that most doctors will feel comfortable writing a script that lets you buy a new vial once a month under the pretext that vials used longer than that can get contaminated, especially if they are cored. It’s a plausible and reasonable excuse to get a Rx that lets you stockpile, even with a doctor that might otherwise not want to enable stockpiling.
As far as how long they last: the vials of estradiol valerate I get are 100 mg in 5 mL of oil, and I currently inject around 9 mg per week (a relatively high, monotherapy dose), so a vial lasts me almost around 11 weeks or 2.5 months. The next vial I open is just whichever one expires the soonest (First In First Out). Since I buy a new vial once a month, this means I keep accruing a back stock while using up my oldest vials. I’m currently using a vial I opened in September but bought in April.
So it’s dependent on your dose, whether you accidentally core your vial, and other factors as to how long a vial will last you, but this method should still help you have a regular excess that you can stockpile.
Besides stockpiling, injections are a better way to get the estrogen anyway. If you haven’t already, I recommend this guide which covers differences between routes of administration. tl;dr only around 5% of the dose of oral estrogen ends up in your blood stream, most of it is filtered by your liver and it’s a very poor way to get estrogen in your body. The effects on the liver in the long term might contribute to blood clotting, strokes, or cardiovascular events. Injections don’t have these downsides, most of the dose ends up in your bloodstream and it doesn’t tax your liver or contribute to a health risk (besides the typical risks any injection might carry, such as infection at the injection site if you don’t follow proper procedures like reusing needles and so on).
For more about injections: https://old.reddit.com/r/TransWiki/wiki/hrt/injections
I recommend subcutaneous (subq) injections with a small gauge needle like 27G because it’s relatively painless and fool-proof compared to intramuscular (IM) injections. You will essentially need these things:
- 0.5 mL syringes (look for ones without needles and the twisting Leur-lock connection type)
- 27G 1/2" needles for injecting
- 21G, 23G, or 25G needles (1 1/2" long is fine) for drawing the oil from the vial into the syringe
- alcohol swabs for sterilizing the vial, and for swabbing your injection site
- bandaids for after injecting
As I mentioned before, drawing with a thinner needle (23G instead of 18G for example) reduce the chance of coring your vial.
Here is a video showing how to do an injection: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TP0rTlQVao
Here is a PDF guide for injections, including diagrams showing appropriate injection sites for subq: https://fenwayhealth.org/wp-content/uploads/MG-6_TransHealth_InjectionGuide.pdf
Here is a video showing proper technique to avoid coring a vial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5F0SLoMjC8
21G is too large for long term repeated drawing, 23G or smaller should be used. additionally you dont need to use different needles for drawing and injecting (despite popular belief. subq is not better than IM or “more fool-proof”, infact subq can be worse for many due to irritation. ideally you would want fixed needle syringes for lowest deadspace, as the vial will last longer.
it should also be noted vials have a shelf life of 2-4 years, so you arent able to stockpile more than that
yes, there are lots of ways to optimize.
23G sounds good for drawing, and I think that is the more standard recommendation (looks like the /r/TransWiki guide lists 23G and 25G), though I haven’t used it personally.
Re-using the same needle you drew with to inject with can make the needle a bit more dull and I have found it makes the injection more likely to hurt (apparently I’m not the only one). It is also standard practice to change the needle between drawing and injecting to further reduce chance of infection. I’ve read that plenty of people don’t change needles between drawing and injecting, but I’m not sure I would necessarily advertise this as a good practice, esp. for beginners.
Part of the reason I suggested subq is because it allows for injecting with a smaller gauge needle like 27G, which is less painful and more accessible to people like me who suffer from needle phobia. That’s part of why I think of it as more foolproof, but also because subq doesn’t require targeting a specific muscle or injecting to the correct depth like IM does.
I’m not sure about irritation from subq that IM doesn’t cause, so I would love more detail on that. I just would imagine the smaller needle, the shorter length, etc. makes it less irritating than a larger gauge and longer needle.
You can also buy low deadspace syringes without using a fixed needle, but I find these kinds of optimization less relevant when regularly accruing excess medication and there is incentive to use up old medication before it expires. A vial is like $11 for me, so it is also rather cheap, and the medication waste in that context is not worth overly concerning yourself over.
It would make more sense for DIY, though, when the medication is more expensive (and supply might be less reliable and more scarce). I have never looked at the extra cost of low deadspace syringes compared to the cost of wasted medication from that deadspace, but even with normal syringes I know people have used bubbles in their doses to leave air in the deadspace and get all the medication (correct dosing becomes a bit tricky in this situation, just have to be mindful that you are measuring your dose accurately).
Homebrew vials last for around a year. Per my understanding they have higher concentrations than what you’ll get from a doctor, but even so I’ll bet they last several months
I’ve done this before. It really depends on how far into transition you are, obviously not recommended.
I’m as terrified of losing access to my healthcare as you are. My plan right now is to try to switch to injections since they’re easier to stockpile. I also want to ask my Endo for a double dose, explaining that it’s just so I can stockpile.
Thanks for the reply! I’m a few months over a year in. I did recently get my e prescription filled, so I’ll probably have to wait a bit, but I do agree that switching to injections is probably a good idea since they seem easier to stockpile.
I think you should talk to a supportive medical professional.
Reducing your dose in order to feel safer is a bad idea. Why not instead focus that anxious energy on educating yourself in a new science hobby? There are many interesting projects involving estrogen!
You’d be better off simply buying extra on your own. I can’t share where I get mine but I’m sure you could find a supply for you to stockpile in case you need to DIY in the future.
Thanks for the reply, I know of where I can get DIY, I’d just rather not get DIY unless I absolutely have to. I do have a small stockpile currently that would probably last me long enough if I needed to wait for DIY to arrive in the mail though.
I’ve never been able to get it the official way because the perverted doctor and therapist I was seeing really wanted to see “a man pretending to be a woman” and required I dress and act like a woman to get it. I wasn’t willing to humiliate myself for them (I still have dignity) so DIY for me.
I assume you’re not in the U.S.? Those sound like old Benjamin Rules and not based on current WPATH standards. If you talk to people in your local trans community, they might know doctors and therapists who are willing to give you medication without those kinds of requirements.
