!piracy@lemmy.ml has also been blocked from lemmy.world.
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Lemmy.world has released an official response.
To be honest, it’s not a huge deal. The copyright cartel can easily send dmca requests to your isp just for having text guidelines. Not everyone has the bandwidth or energy to deal with stuff like that.
I just wish this wasn’t done at the request of a transphobic racist who just did it to get back at is for getting banned for making transphobic and racist communities in this instance.
Keep it up db0, a lot of us across the fediverse appreciate what you’ve built!
Don’t need lemmy world anyways. This is the most based instance on the entire fediverse. Their loss.
One of the most popular instance. This is why federation is necessary and people should create accounts in different servers instead of pulling everyone to one server calling it tge “official” or “main” server
At least they blocked a community and not the entire instance. This is how these things should be handled, imo
So beehaw was right whey they defederated from .world, there is shadiness there…
PS: this is one of the best communities in the fediverse, good job.
Beehaw’s reasons for defederation were completely unrelated to what’s happening now. They didn’t want the general public to have access to their “safe” community.
there’s more to “the general public” besides 2 instances. beehaw defederated from .world and sijw because the mod tooling to handle a huge influx of people isn’t ready, and it still isn’t ready. (and the rest of their defederations are an off the shelf mastodon blocklist import which all instances should do imo and a few explicitly unmoderated instances. oh and porn i think)
beehaw federates just fine with the instance i’m on, for example.
if they wanted to defederate completely, lemmy does support allowlist federation, and i’m pretty sure their admins know about it.
There’s nothing shady here, just kneejerk and protectionist.
Beehaw defederated because they they decided they didn’t want to actually moderate their communities. Easier to just screen everyone before letting them join, to weed out people they may potentially disagree with. Ostensibly to filter out hate but only a fool thinks it stops there.
Yeah, they fell for the fucking troll. Excuse my french.
Fucking Lemmy.world is hot garbage. They’re down every day and are constantly defederating with any instance that doesn’t fit their narrow, sanitized world views. It’s also one of the most recommended Lemmy’s with more new users going there than anywhere else. I think it incredibly damaging in the long run to have 50% of active users on this platform to be centralized on one domain. Especially if this domain makes as many boneheaded decisions as lemmy.world
I think it incredibly damaging in the long run to have 50% of active users on this platform to be centralized on one domain.
I agree, but 50% is still better than 100%. I definitely appreciate that I’m reading about this while being totally unaffected personally rather than just disappearing entirely like what happens with a banned subreddit.
We badly need Lemmy clients that can merge instances even if they’re defederated, as well as the other way around, filter out entire instances even if your instance won’t defederate from them. Letting instance owners dictate what you can or cannot see is not the way.
There are clients that will do the former (eg. Liftoff) but I’m not aware of any that will do the latter. I don’t understand why, it can’t be that hard to filter users and communities by instance.
I wanna say connect could do it for a while now. It’ll certainly come to many clients
I believe Memmy has a filter for communities and instances.
it does, but its broken. the list resets every time you close the app. At least on the full release current build
Yep, I agree. Yet another reason I just spun up my own instance and use that.
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Yes one in the same. Thought about moving the forum to lemmy but there’s so much history there
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I can’t believe EverQuest is still around, lol. Blows my mind
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I’m curious as to what you’d need(other than a server) to spin oneupp
Some time and tinkering.
It’s quite straightforward (especially if you don’t use nginx or need email) to use the docker install.
So you need a Linux box (IDK about windows) a fix IP with a port routed to your machine and some free time. Oh yeah a domain name pointing to said IP.
That’s good to know, thanks! Would love to try that some day
It’s definitely achievable and I’d encourage anyone to play around with self hosting.
The main thing to acknowledge before getting started is that it’s an ongoing commitment, like a puppy. Getting it to work initially is the easy part, you can follow a guide and have something working in a few hours of effort. Running in to problems later on is the tricky part, automated backups and upgrades et cetera, something needs a re-start, things just stop working for some reason.
Ah yeah, I can imagine it’s not a one and done thing, you’d have to do a lot of support with your server, can see it being a massive time sink
A lot of people register there initially to get their feet wet and move on to another instance later for these reasons. At least we have subscriptions/blocks transferring tools now.
Yep. I started there, found it down all the time and then moved on.
I did it the moment they decided not to defederate from Meta. I don’t like admins who can’t take decisive actions to protect their users (and apparently seem to bend their knees to any big corpo out there)
That sounds like a contradictory stance
I’m fairly new, what are the tools?
This is the tool I used: Lemmy Account Settings Instance Migrator
I also used LASIM but I remember someone else mentioning another tool that could do multiple accts at once. check out this list for it and more tools.
step 1 - go to reddit
step 2 - ?
step 3 - profit
unfortunately i don’t know the specific answer, but you might find something interesting here:
or here:
I would like to move to a different fediverse please.
This is what I did.
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Bungiefan_ak appears to have literally two hobbies, and they’re being anti-piracy and actively a fascist.
Funny how that works out.
same account name (different instance) is also posting transphobia on https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/nomoretroons
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Its been deleted now, but that person has successfully trolled every lemmy.world user and is obviously full of hate and intolerance.
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The goal is to get people reactionary about it so it’s good to recognize and completely ignore them, not even a downvote.
@Bungiefan_ak@lemm.ee joined 8 hours ago.
I think lemmy.world gather the kind of redditors that like sanitized world views, the power of decentralization makes us choose an instance without those hot garbaje takes as lemmy.world.
100% spot on. I got called all sorts of names for pointing this out, but maybe my own fault for pointing it out on one of their posts! 😅
I started on lemmy.world because it was the most popular server at the time and I didn’t really understand how the fediverse worked. I spent the first month sort of just learning to stop trying to think like I was on reddit. The federation feels to me like pirate TV/ ham radio, people broadcasting their visions and worldviews while rebroadcasting other stations/nodes. Each instance, has it’s own “feel”. I see the entire instance I’m on as a greater solarpunk community, which is filled with smaller, related communities of people all sharing their own interests.
This is a memory of how the Internet was first envisioned by many people, before the corporate takeover. I am interested in FOSS, I am interested in “piracy”, I am interested in any exchange of knowledge that helps us work together, spread skills, and empower communities, both virtual and on the ground.
But all that aside, lemmy.world is just too unreliable for it to be my entrypoint into the fediverse. Which is why I looked around and found a place that feels more in line with my own sense of hopefulness for the future.
Let the garbage go there
They should have shut down registrations a long time before they gained such a majority of users.
They stand behind the lie that “if we didn’t let people in, they wouldn’t know where to go”… as if it’s so hard to create a new registration page that re-routes people to other instances.
I’ll never understand the selfishness of people like that. They know they’re actively hurting all of lemmy, but they want to keep all the users to themselves. This thing only works if it’s a collection of smaller instances.
This feels like an obvious bullshit cop-out reason to defederate against a specific community that they don’t like for whatever silly reason they can’t reveal to the public.
Never have I seen an actual link to content survive very long on lemmy.ml or dbzer0.com. Just like the good old /r/Piracy we discuss piracy, but we do not directly facilitate it.
Someone please slap the back of their heads repeatedly and aggressively with these facts. This excuse is disingenuous as hell.
If you are a user of lemmy.world; RUN. NOW! Find a new instance. Switch away from them before they reach terminal enshitification velocity.
enshitification
You’re already misusing our cool new word. Cut it out.
Too many people don’t know what it actually means.
The enshittification of the word enshittification has started
en-enshittification?
re-enshittification?
ren-shittification?
enshitificaception
No. It is enshitification. Do not @ me.
Have you read the definition? It’s a platform reducing the quality of services to increase profit. Nothing about this is to increase profit.
You are 120% wrong and it IS enshitification.
I am using the actual definition. Saying you are x percent wrong isn’t an arguement. You’re just making yourself look bad.
This is Doctorow’s made up word.
All words are made up
If you are 200% wrong, are you right?
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I guess, someone with a copyright background came knocking at their door. It’s one thing to defend against a lawsuit if you are a big for-profit company with a well-funded law department and a nice financial buffer. But it’s an entirely different thing if you are hosting a non-profit platform with your own money because you are a nice guy.
Tbh, I am negatively surprised how many people don’t understand that the person hosting a lemmy instance is someone who does it as a hobby and not a big corporation.
The good thing about Lemmy: if you don’t like an instance or it’s admin, you can just host one yourself. You just need a Pi or an old laptop and a few hours of time. Did you try that?
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Or music.
Better off renting it so I can get some publicities mixed in in the list … :-/
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Suggestion: account on small instance, communities on large ones
This is the way
Why communities on large ones, doesn’t that achieve centralization of the content?
Well, not if the communities are distributed across several large instances, no?
Small istances don’t have the resources to host large communities
Good point, when it comes to large communities it does make sense
images are the real issue. text is extremely small and most instances should be able to handle even the largest text and link based communities.
in fact they can’t participate on lemmy if they couldn’t because the text of a post (and all the comments) gets copied to all instances subscribed to a community
and of course moderation can be a concern as well, but if you’re not ready to moderate you shouldn’t host anything other than a single user instance anyway.
I suppose that works. I got a ton of accounts at this point now.
Only correction I offer is accounts, on small instances. Not just one on one instance.
Don’t worry you don’t need ten accounts, you will always be able to make a new one, should the need arise
Turns out beehaw is more based than world.
Nah. It’s a walled garden, you should know better than to trust those by now.
Beehaw is trash (and so are people who say based)…
Be nice as a main rule? Fuck you, this is the internet. I don’t like most of you and I think you should know it.
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Because their shit instance can’t keep up for a minute.
Clearly their shit just doesn’t work.
And just like that I learned about a Steam Deck piracy community.
Something something Streisand Effect.
TBF it doesn’t seem like they were against piracy per se, they just wanted to avoid potential liability. That said, I’ve still moved on to another instance.
I think this is better tbh, I personally don’t like it when piracy forums/sites/whatever piracy related thing goes too mainstream. Maybe it’s gatekeeping, I don’t know, I just don’t want another Z-Library incident.
Either way, they probably aren’t even against piracy, they’re probably just lazy and don’t want to deal with any of the issues they could potentially face down the line.
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Lemmy.world is dogshit. It feels like a nanny instance or like a reddit 2.0. Idk why people keep joining that bullshit instead of spreading out.
I’m so happy that I joined a small instance that hasn’t defederated or been defederated from anyone
Go be a shepherd and encourage people to move elsewhere
Well it got me to move, so something is working.
Me too. I just found hexbear.net. Much better.
What’s hexbear?
Not much, what’s hex with you? 🤣
I think it is an instance full of evangelical leftists?
No thank you
Gross and they replied to my comment. I need a shower now.
No evangelism of any kind–rather dirtbag leftism. Chapo Trap House is defined on Wikipedia. They’ve been around for a while. They’ve got podcasts. They write books. They’re smart, well-informed, and take no prisoners. They’re also comradely toward honest, curious newcomers. If one were, say, proudly liberal and sure in their understanding of history and politics, it probably wouldn’t be a good fit.
Chapo Trap House lemmy.
That’s what I’m doing. 2 people already said they’re gonna switch!
Honestly I don’t think I want to join that server but I’m glad I don’t have to. They’re far too political out of the gate I just want a piracy focused community that unredacts that part of the internet
Hmmm, your chosen instance interests me
Haha. Nice name. Simple. Elegant. I like it.
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And the fact that I can see this means sh.itjust.works hasn’t, yey
neither has lemdro.id!
Nor lemm.ee. And hopefully that won’t change.
Hopefully it doesn’t change for reddthat.com as well.
same for pawb.social
The admin at Feddit.uk said they’d use defederation only as a last resort.
Might be biased, but that’s obviously the best instance.
Obviously or we wouldn’t be on it.
Coincidentally I just made a lemm.ee account today
Hi Lemm.ee. Bye lemmy.world.
federation works as intended
Dumb mfs: FUcK lEmMy.wOrld pOwEr tRipers rreEEeE
Guess which is the reddit clone.
Good to know just so I know to go to an instance that doesn’t block this community. I don’t blame .world for being careful. This is indeed the Fediverse working as intended.
I think that people are more upset that it was done only after a troll complained about it on the support or admin community.
Yeah, that was a dumb reason, I agree. But I also think it was inevitable with .world being the biggest instance. They’re the first place in Lemmy any corporation will go to if they wanna sue.
I also just thought that, given how thoroughly downvoted that post and all its OP’s comments were, it makes the Admins of Lemmy.world look like they’ve actively gone against popular opinion. Psychologically, mobs tend to dislike that appearance.
That’s true. The reasons given were unsatisfyingly vague.
Like, I think people are upset about blocking the piracy communities, sure, but I think that the real issue is that it feels like everyone is just vibing, doing their thing on their lemmy instances, then this troll comes in all fake concerned about breaking rules, gets utterly piled on naturally, only for the admins in question to come in and “side” with the “loser” in people’s eyes.
Yeah, I agree with that. It’s not the blocking that’s such an issue, it’s how they came to decide to do it. Definitely wasn’t handled well. I wonder if the (even more) downtime they’ve been having recently is a result of more people being pissed about this move piling on to the DDOS attacks?
There’s nothing to sue? They could go after an instance owner, sure, but I’m reasonably sure that there’s still Section 230 safe harbor protections for “service providers”, which to my knowledge could easily be the owner/admin of a fediverse instance. Perhaps it’ll need to be litigated in the courts, which is unfortunate for whoever gets stuck being the trailblazer.
Each instance owner is running these instances themselves, presumably out of the home, for free.
They could go after an instance owner, sure, but
There’s no “but”. They could fight a lawsuit, sure, but that’s time consuming and expensive, and why bother? The piracy isn’t coming from their instance, why should they have to fight a lawsuit for it? Piracy has its own instance, nothing has been defederated, they’re just not hosting the content on their server to save themselves the hassle down the road. I can’t imagine they’ll be the only one.
Sure, but doesn’t it suck that it doesn’t matter what the law says? Do you think it’ll ever change if everyone rolls over and isolates undesirable communities (think beyond piracy to other things like adult content, or content from marginalised groups)
Many of us have at least one secondary account, for whatever reason. Lemmy instances are run by people, but some entitled assholes are acting like admins are musk or something.
I sympathise with instance admins without the ability to risk a court fight, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t those out there who would welcome such a challenge, and I don’t think they should be pressured to cave if they’re inclined not to.
Instance management styles reflect the variety of human personalities and tastes. There will always be a few power trippers, but at least now we can escape. Fuck u/spez@lemmy.world
If some people love piracy that much, they can use an account in the respective instance. Everyone happy, no harm done.
True, I agree, it’s not a big deal, just another account, but I can live with it, yes.
PS: but there is still a case to be made for eclectic instances that host a variety of content. Otherwise, if you pile all piracy with porn, weed and whatever legal gray areas it will be easier to pick them off. Same with politics, debatable science, etc. If you concentrate them too much, federation is moot.
Completely agree.
wow it’s almost like having a huge chunk of lemmy’s users in one instance is a bad thing. who would’ve thought.
seriously though more people should migrate to smaller instances.
It makes me wonder if and when we’ll see clients that also act as single-user instances.
I’ve been saying that for a while, start a service where you can pay x€ per month for self-hosting your 1 to 5 users instance, that makes it easy to get it started via a few choices, and I’m sure it would be very popular.
If there are any code-masters out there that want to partner with someone that can lead the vision/sales/UX aspect of it, hit me up.
there are people that do this kinda thing for mastodon (see masto.host as an example), so it’s only a matter of time before lemmy hosters of this nature will pop up.
instances need to be constantly online under the same domain to receive new posts. you can’t really host an instance from your home without some kind of tunnel or ddns setup, and you surely can’t host one from a potentially metered mobile connection.
Does ActivityPub not have retry with back off like email? Mail will try to be delivered for a few days before the sender gives up.
it depends on the implementation. lemmy does have something similar but it’s not as aggressive as email and in the peak reddit migration times it wasn’t uncommon to have un-federated replies and posts from all the instances being overloaded.
also that queue is stored in memory so if the server dies or gets updated or otherwise restarts it won’t bother with old stuff
This sub just got a new member. Thank miss Streisand :)
Same here =) just because fuck Lemmy.world
When Kbin releases his API I’m gonna be there too!
Hello all. First post here. Moved over from lemmy.world because of this.
I joined as well. New to Lemmy. Never even heard of dbzer0 until that post. There have been a few complaints of .world degenerating other communities as well. Streisand effect.
It’s not really a Streisand effect, because .world doesn’t give a shit if you go to those places or not - they just don’t want the liability of you doing it from their instance.
Arrrr
I don’t hold it against them. They have their hands full at the moment with DDOS attacks. The admins are barely able to keep the place running. The beauty of federation is that we can pick and choose where to sail from.
And yet they insist on keeping registrations open and tarnishing the lemmy name with their shit uptime and terrible, terrible decisions like this. Fuck them.
Based Lemmy.zip admin above 🙏
What if a competitor, say a hypothetical Lemmy.7z or Lemmy.rar were to open, what would their response be?
