Another wild thought: Biden could test the limits of presidential immunity.
Joe Biden should see if squatters rights extend to the White House.
Biden already worked under someone who had no problem killing US civilians Source. That escaped prosecution because it was an official act despite it being a clearly criminal act 18 U.S. Code § 1119
Didn’t Obama also kick out more illegal immigrants than a bunch of presidents before him? Maybe I’m misremembering, but I do remember nobody giving a shit about illegal immigrants being kicked out. Then Trump came and people freaked out, as if it didn’t happen under Obama as well.
Shit was weird.
Obama was literally known as deporter-in-chief and he deported more in his in either of his terms than Trump did in his four years Source. But be careful some smart ass is probably gonna start screaming you can’t say both sides, and you’re a foreign asset trying to depress the vote because they can’t be bothered to read.
From my perspective it was less about the numbers and more about how vocal Trump was about his intentions. Add to that the family separation policy and the STILL MISSING children when he’s a known associate of Epstien there was plenty to be upset about.
So you claim that Trump is objectively worse because he was vocal rather than Obama doing it on a muted basis? Despite Obama doing substantially higher numbers? That is definitely some take on these set of facts.
No, I’m saying just looking at the numbers doesn’t tell the whole story and intentions also play a large role. Trump wanted to do more than he did but was hindered in many ways. He still did untold damage to our immigration systems and irreparably damaged hundreds of families. It’s really difficult to explain a concept as vast as this without essentially writing a book, and that isn’t my strong suit.
I’m perfectly okay with Obama also being a bad guy here, but he didn’t publicly dehumanize immigrants and their families. He also didn’t advocate for removing legal residents based solely on their demographic information.
I hate to use this term but you are literally arguing against facts with only feelings; feelings based on comments that arguably amount to mere puffery. My argument is that there is no good guys here, but it appears you are stuck on the point that Trump was worse for undocumented individuals because of feelings, rather than an actual objective measure like numbers.
Wow, I have no clue how you thought this fact was enough to argue against “Trump is objectively worse than Obama”.
Trump is by far, and I mean by an unreal margin, the WORST human being to ever hold the seat of President of the United States of America. There is no debate that Trump is objectively the worst.
Now sure some people did some things more than others. That’s true for everything. Obama deporting illegal immigrants is nothing like the racism and hatred towards racialized Americans has stoked on the last 8 years. An illegal immigrant KNOWS their number could be up at any time, it’s not a hateful act to legally deport them. But now, EVERY minority in the US, and all women, know their number might get called at any time, and that’s a fear that no lawful citizen deserves.
You expanded the scope of the discussion (that you weren’t involved in at that) just to get yourself upset.
thanks for sharing that. i was not aware of it. it’s particularly brutal that the link is fact checking ron desantis of all people, but i guess it’s not impossible for a republican to say something true on occasion (even if by accident).
i thought this quote from the link was particularly damning:
But did Trump deport fewer people than Obama? There are different deportation metrics, and Obama surpassed Trump’s numbers in each one.
Grandpa’s got a rifle, Grandpa’s got a scope, Grandpa sees you winning, Grandpa blasts a NOPE.
I don’t follow what you’re implying with this. Can you explain what you mean?
The short answer is that Trump said that the President can’t be held accountable for criminal acts done while in office, and the Supreme Court agreed. I believe he went as far as to say that the President is immune to prosecution for having political opponents assassinated, but I can’t remember if that’s true or not. Regardless, the implication here is that Biden should do whatever is necessary to prevent another Trump presidency since he has presidential immunity.
UniversalMonk, is that you?
I tend to prefer monk class for DND and other TTRPGs, but no, I’ve never gone by that user name.
Lol, is joke. An account named UniversalMonk used to be notorious for pretending not to understand subtlety to get people to state rule breaking things explicitly, after which that person could be reported/banned.
I thought it was funny for a while, but ended up blocking the account, so I’m not sure if it’s still active
Interesting.
I do find myself missing the subtle points of comments, esp in the more lefty areas of the fediverse. I hope I’m not breaking any rules when I ask. I am genuinely interested.
Here’s an article from 2023 where trump discusses pardoning himself.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/14/politics/donald-trump-pardon/index.html
Here’s an article from 2021 where trump discusses pardoning himself.
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/09/955087860/can-trump-pardon-himself
Here’s an article from 2020 where trump discusses pardoning himself.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/11/donald-trump-self-pardon
Here’s an article from 2018 where trump discusses pardoning himself.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/trump-says-he-has-absolute-right-to-pardon-himself
This shit has been going on for ages. Biden should absolutely go fucking nuts.
Yeah, I get that much, but I’m not sure what the implication of the original comment is.
Like, are they implying Biden should call a hit on Trump? Should he just not cede the presidency? These are things the typical Lemmy user (as I’ve seen at least) would RAGE against under any other circumstances, so I’m inclined to assume thats not the case. But if not that, then what?
No, you’re not! It’s just that the comment you replied to may have been alluding to violence, so if they clarified that explicitly in response to your question, they could be reported
Biden should do an “official act”, then resign immediately afterwards.
Like expanding the Supreme Court
I was thinking long range lobotomy.
My 85 year old German mother-in-law (born in 1939 and moved to Canada around 1960), suggested the same thing.
(PS I’m an American living in Canada)
During his first term at the gym this little old lady was working out on the treadmill next to me and when Kelly Ann Conway came on the tv, she leans over and goes, oh that lady shouldn’t be alive. (paraphrasing to not get banned)
are you enjoying your healthcare?
Canadian here, the health care is useable. It keeps being underfunded atleast here in Ontario but you can get it with no cost… just be prepared to wait in ER.
I already wait in the ER for hours, then have the privilege of paying out the ass for it.
Expand the Supreme Court to 200 people, appoint the most progressive persons out there. Federally legalize marijuana and drop all restrictions on it. Forgive all student and medical debt. Raise the federal minimum wage to $30/hr. Tax all rental income at 4,000%.
Sure it would probably all get undone before the Toupee hit 100 days in office, but what a sweet couple months that would be.
Ah yes, yes…that’s exactly what I meant.
And removing the “presidential power to pardon”.
i like the way you think
It’s honestly the least he could do. Sure he was a good president with good policies but keeping your head down and fixing things that the GOP are only going to claim credit for isn’t helpful at the moment. The DNC has managed to turn decades of good will and evaporate it into nothing. So yes, giving us this small inconsequential win would not be too big of an ask.
First women president as an asterix is just sad.
fwiw she briefly had presidential powers a couple years ago when Biden was sedated for a medical procedure. Source.
Ehhh, “acting president” is not really PRESIDENT president, y’know?
The funny thing is reading the source article, when Trump had the same procedure, he didn’t make Pence the acting president because he didn’t trust Pence with presidential powers for even an hour.
Sadly its also how Canada got it’s first and only woman prime minister.
Campbell became the new prime minister in June 1993 after Mulroney resigned in the wake of declining popularity. In the 1993 Canadian federal election in October of that year, the Progressive Conservatives were decimated, losing all but two seats from a previous majority, with Campbell losing her own. Her 132-day premiership is the third-shortest in Canadian history.[a]
That would be fucking brilliant.
That is so incredibly petty. I like it.
One step further. Declare he was in fact as stated president in exile and Biden was never president and thusly he cannot run for a third term.
I love the idea but hate the thought they would just reprint and make more money.
Yeah, but we would get to say we had a female president.
It’s all drop shipped from China anyway. I ordered a custom flag from Amazon and it cost $15.
Tihi.
I was thinking this too. Except he should do it right before Thanksgiving, so Kamala’s fist job as president is pardon the turkeys.
I need you to understand that these diaper-wearing fucks would just buy both
45 + 47 equals 92. just thought i’d share that math fact if anybody was interested
Fun fact, n + (n+2) = 2n + 2
Fun fact, 2n + 2 = 2(n + 1)
equally fun fact: x + (x + 2) = 2x + 2, where x is an element of any ring and 2 = 1 + 1
So smart, much wise.
And by the time they made it they’d have to pay tariffs on it 😂
How would Biden resigning late flip the outcome of the election? Sorry but i’m not 'Murican
EDIT: Oh ok
It won’t. This would make Trump 48 instead of 47 and make their merch all wrong.
Kamala would be be President for the remainder of Biden’s term. That would make her the 47th President. Therefore when Trump took office a few days later, he would be the 48th. All his merch that was produced would be incorrect and waste his and his supporter’s money.
As far as I know it wouldn’t, but Kamala is VP, so if he resigned she would be the 47th president for the remainder of Biden’s term. The joke is that the trump merch says 47 but now it would technically be 48 and they’d have to make new stuff.
Why are you people downvoting this lol
This is absolutely brilliant.
I think that would be hilarious
Might as well since their whole platform is to troll everyone.
