Enjoy the self-satisfaction of having taken the high road while the concentration camps get built.
And what did you want her to tell people to march to the capitol and hang the vice president being willing to certify the election?
Nah, Americans voted for Trump and his fascism, his racism so let them have it.
Exactly, 70 million American Nazis are to thank for this.
Only 70 million voted for him?
72 so far, Harris with 67. Pretty low turnout given the stakes
Pretty low compared to last election…
340ish million Americans, ~74 million of them changed the world forever.
When it’s all counted, he will likely have about the same amount as he did last time.
It’s not that people voted for Trump, it’s that people didn’t vote for Harris.
He’ll of a way to blow off all the deaths that are coming. I don’t cate what happens to his voters. But the rest of us are going to suffer too.
So be it. Maybe idiot America will actual learn when shot goes south with no one saving their dumb asses.
I voted Haris. I am not one of those animals
I voted Harris too but honestly F Americans as a whole here. We all deserve what the Republicans are going to serve.
No. No we don’t you dunce.
What exactly did the Harris voters do to deserve this?
Absolutely nothing, just that America on the whole is a racist country and deserves everything that Trump wants to give it, especially those Democrats that were part of the 15 million that didn’t vote, condoning this racist country.
Are you fucking stupid or something?
Nope, just sick of this racist country and thinks it deserves to be rewarded for electing a convicted felon, legally liable rapist, racist back into office.
I mean, we don’t need the president’s permission to revolt.
Only follow the rules with those who follow them too.
I agree… did they expect her to start a socialist revolution? As if they would march to the capitol for her when they wouldn’t even show up to vote?
I’m glad she’s setting an example of normal adult human behavior, it’s hard to even call it the “high road”… It’s just NOT acting like a toddler. We can’t afford to have a January 6th every four years.
Yeah exactly, this is also why they should’ve just left the confederacy alone /s
Excuse me?! They’re called “internment camps”!
We can still try to obstruct via filibuster and other mechanisms. (Republicans have already shown us how to do it effectively.) But certainly no progress can be made for the next four years.
2 years. In 2026, 20 Republican Senators will be up for re-election.
You’re putting far too much faith in the voters at this point.
Depending on how the cost of living situation goes, Trump is either going to take credit for improvements set in motion before his 2024 term, or he’s going to astronomically tank it and blame it on the previous administration. No matter which happens, he will frame it to make himself look better than the Democrats while the MAGA crowd eats it up.
People’s feelings about the economy is the number 1 indicator of whether a party will be voted out of office.
If Trump goes through with his insane tarrifs, inflation will skyrocket, people will be livid over the economy, and the Republicans in the Senate will be in real trouble.
As if Republicans won’t eliminate the filibuster. They have no use for it because they don’t plan on being in the minority ever again.
Think outside the box.
This. She will live in comfort at home while we suffer
Oh my gawd, what are you talking about?
You don’t win against someone who is cheating by playing fair.
Had Trump won in 2020, he’d have taken the fall for the Recession and Hyperinflation and it would have caused a 2008 effect. Populist Wave haulted, strangled in it’s crib by Coronachan.
Had Trump won in 2020, he’d be done now and his VP would still be the democracy respecting Pence.
Trump when elected in 2016 had no major plan and mostly left the employees of the state intact, and in 2020 the change was minimal. Now there’s a full blown scheme to control the government
In 2020 they didn’t know how much they could get away with. They’ve seen the limits now.
Winning in 2020 means no January 6th shattering the overton window and leading SCOTUS to some interesting choices about power.
2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there’s another 2 if not 3
In 2020 it would have been close. Now Democrats will have to regain ground, New Jersey New Hampshire and Minnesota are now Swing States.
2016 Trump had his populist wave weakened by Gary Johnson and Evan McMulin who blocked the popular vote and kept states like Colorado and New Mexico out of his hands. 2016 Trump sucked with Hispanics. That initial wave would have burnt out with the COVID fuckery. Instead Democrats slotted in, took the 4 worst possible years, and are handing it back having effectively both given them another shot in the arm and crippled themselves. There goes the court. This isn’t John Kerry, it’s Carter.
I’ve heard of 2020 hindsight, but this is ridiculous
2020-2024 had no Supreme Court Justices to appoint.
Biden got one, Ketanji Brown Jackson, in 2022. And had Trump been president during this time, Thomas and Alito would have probably retired after Dobbs.
Alright fair point then my bad. I think the rest of it stands well enough though
Yeah, out of everything, his Supreme Court nominations are the longest lasting. They will outlive him and be a lasting influence for most of our lives. Every unconstitutional thing Republicans want to do will be handed to them by the SC. So long for checks and balances.
Not if they die 🤷♂️
Of course, which is the risk for at least Sotomayor this term. If Trump gets 3 more nominations, it could be possible that he’d be able to have 6 justices with an average age in their 50s, with plenty of time to continue the chaos.
In literally any other country, a criminal president getting to appoint six of nine judges to the highest court would rightfully be called corrupt and unethical.
In the US, 🤷.
Yup that’s my exact fear.
I agree, hindsight is 20/20 and if he would have just won then, this would have all been over yesterday.
But now, we’re 75 days from being an actual dictatorship, and when we help Russia flatten Europe we’ll also be an axis power.
Every time I think we’re in the worst possible timeline the universe says “bet” and throws us another curveball.
I’m getting really fucking tired of living in an era that will be fascinating to read about in future history books.I compared these threads to the one in 2016 announcing the win. Mostly different vibes(more awe and surprise and ‘maybe it won’t be so bad’ and less horror), but two things in common.
- Brexit comparisons(2016 had more, but still)
- People blaming a dead beloved mammal for cursing the timeline(Squirrelboy is up there with Harambe now…)
Also 2020 Trump was still struggling with Hispanics. The 2015 rhetoric really hurt him there. Too fucking late to put that genie back in the bottle. It’s gone man, solid gone
I don’t understand how the rhetoric this time didn’t hurt him there tbh, he didn’t change it really
He stopped saying Mexicans or Hispanics and started saying Illegals for the most part. Boom.
Also I’ve seen a lot of ‘first they came for the socialists’ type posting about that. In a fucked up way that’s actually the outcome the Democrats want. The other option is the Hispanics became ‘honorary whites’, the next Italian or Irish. Hispanic isn’t even really a race in the sense that black or white or asian(or native american, technically those two are one race sorta long story), it’s Mixed, European White - Slave Black - Native Mesoamerican, just mixed and mixing with other mixed so long you can’t really pick it out. We usually call the whiter ones Hispanics and the ones with a lot more Native or Black mestizo or creole or…Native and Black. Hispanic Culture is heavily christian and European influenced, it can be integrated into that coalition without too much trouble.
If the established second generation Hispanics settle into reliable Republican or even just the men, that’s a Southern Strategy tier realignment. The Democrats are fucked for a generation. Outgroups don’t stay Outgroups forever, and we know how European Cultured Religious ‘in-groups’ do in the USA.
Good point. Out of many things to blame for this, I didn’t think about him losing 2020. Who would have thought back then, that him winning would be better in the long run. He would be finished and disgraced by now. We truly are living in the worst timeline.
Think Carter. Nixon had a populist wave born out of the DNCs 1968 disaster destroying the Kennedy lead operation dating back years, it was big. Then a huge scandal knocked the wind out of him, populist wave was down, Democrats won with a safe white guy, mission accomplished? Except the economy imploded and a ton of foreign wars happened and everyone blamed ‘histories greatest monster’ and the Republican populist wave that would have died with Nixon got a round to breathe and the Democrats took the fall for the disaster in Carters term. 8 years of Reagan followed and then 4 years of Reagan 2, Texas Boogaloo. Except Reagan was old and JD Vance isn’t.
The moral high road is littered with corpses, and it looks like we’re bound and determined to add more to the pile.
WHY
Why do we have to be the bigger people and accept this bullshit? THIS ISN’T WORKING.
We don’t. But maybe not here.
What’s not working?
The people wanted Trump so that’s what they get
The people didn’t want someone left of Republicans so Biden didn’t run
Expecting Americans to do even the bare minimum, such as playing by the rules, is expecting way too much.
This is the truth. Americans have forgotten the common good and looking out for each other. The boomers began the culture shift towards selfish assholism and the subsequent generations have accelerated it.
Happily voted Harris, to defeat the christian fascists. But I think her concession confirms that she was never going to be the fighter we needed.
First, Democrat’s gamble on pushing aside the progressive core (thanks to incorrect reading of Biden popularity and protests over Israel’s genocide) in favor of a coalition of former Republicans and mythical “decent conservatives” was a huge red flag. It has now proved absolutely catastrophic.
Second, “the high road” has rarely extracted more than the absolute minimum at the slowest possible pace. This election proved it has failed us. Peace is not an option anymore. Unfortunately, we’re going to need to fight ruthlessly for every inch. Entrenched billionaire oligarchs, funding literally insane religious extremists and domestic terrorists. They will gleefully turn up the heat on our formerly cold civil war with their brutality over the next few years.
The worst thing about Trump by far is his refusal to accept a peaceful transition of power. It’s a national tragedy that he will never be held accountable for that, and that his behavior has been validated by winning another election.
I’m glad she is setting an example of what a peaceful transition of power looks like, for those who apparently aren’t familiar with the concept.
Flowery words about democracy for somebody living in an oligarchy/monarchy.
Reminds me of the Alt Right Playbook episode “You Go High, We Go Low”.
Those of you feeling disillusioned with democracy and its tendency to vote itself into autocracy might want to look into anarchism. I’m fond of mutualism in particular.
When I felt disillusioned in 2016 from ratfucking and Trump winning, I got more and more leftist. Nothing has radicalized me after than the last 3 elections.
Anarchism tries to help people without expecting a favor, unlike every other major political structure.
Anarchism tries to help people without expecting a favor, unlike every other major political structure.
Anarchism isn’t a political structure…? It’s the lack thereof, no?
To me, it’s the idea no structure compared to the idea of structure. Libertarians just want corporations to take it over, everyone else want a state.
Perhaps I should have said it better, I’m kind of in a state of stress and “If don’t laugh at the situation, I am going to cry more.”
So, I might get put on a list for this, but so be it.
Does no one else here feel like a little bit of fuckery has happened in the election process?
It’s like overnight everyone has forgotten about all those ballot boxes that were burned, multiple cases of ballot box interference (1,2), and the fact that Trump and his ilk are always projecting, which means that when he says a state or someone is cheating, it very well could mean that he and his cronies are up to no good. What about those bomb threats?
Now, with all of that being said, I do NOT want to come off as the same of the likes of a Trump supporter. I do not want you all to look at me like I am trying to cause distrust in the system. I do trust the system (as much as I can of course), so let it be said here and now, I am not saying this as a matter of fact.
These points, and the very quick and almost instant next day results, have made me very much question the LANDSLIDE that Trump had this year. Voter turn out was at an all time high, and I know that doesn’t mean a lot, but everything combined makes me a little inquisitive to the nature of the results. We know that Russian interference happened in 2016. We know about Russian interference in the 2020 election. We also expected, and are sure of, interference in this election of 2024. That’s not even counting all the billionaires and millionaires having private little meetings about how they can push the scales to their favor, Trump and Musk talking to Putin in private, and I’m sure there are plenty more that we can all find easily verifiable facts on.
I guess what I’m trying to say, is that something felt more off about this election, than the past three, to me at least.
Am I just being silly? Can someone help me here?
Honestly this has been knocking around in my head. Did truly less people vote this go around?
We have more days of counting to go through but I’m honesty surprised at the numbers so far.
If less people voted then fair, but something feels off. Kinda left with some uncomfortable possibilities if there’s a way to know the true number of people that voted.
I agree. If there really are that much less votes this year, and everything is clear as can be, then I concede my theory. It just seems so… strange? Like, he was literally sitting there claiming fraud, and then…? Nothing…? Just stopped peddling it, and won? Like, he got real confident, real quick…
I said the same thing but as a woman so people called me crazy
You are not alone. On the AP website’s live vote map, I saw quite a few suspicious looking “called” on states that hadn’t even started yet. I know it was an algorithm or prediction method, and maybe I didn’t look as hard in 2020 as I did this year, but I just can not help but question the amount of shit that happened THIS time not having an affect on the election. I am probably just being hopeful that SOMETHING pops up about all this in the following weeks. Do I believe it will? Nah, not really. We literally allowed a felon to run as president, so, yeah. Am I HOPEFUL? Yes, just a smidge.
While the right is doing their little celebration dance, saying how they are going to do all of these terrible things, I just have the smallest smidge of hope that someone in power somewhere in the USA is collecting some damning evidence in the background.
Crazy? I get it. Really just an emotional person trying to convince themselves there is someone looking into it on the basis of odd and/or suspicious.
Have you checked your ballot status? Mine still has not been received
I early voted in person unfortunately. One of the other comments said that there seemed to be some ballots that weren’t coming through customs.
My wife voted from overseas (Germany) and her ballot is stuck in customs for 4 weeks now and didn’t arrive in time. We sent it through airmail with tracking and usually, letters arrive in a week.
Thats begs the question: Why would a ballot be stuck in customs for so long and why does a letter have to go through customs in the first place
Worst of all, she voted in Wisconsin where trump won by less than 30k votes. Online there are multiple people reporting that their ballot is stuck in customs. Could it be that postmaster general DeJoy is supressing votes by redirecting votes to customs? I assume that overseas votes from Europe are overwhelmingly for the Democrats.
Liberals once again just giving over power to fascists. Tale as old as time.
Not even gonna resist? Really?
A bit different this time, since the people overwhelmingly voted for the fascist. The Nazi party in the late 30s only had a plurality in their parliament.
But yeah it definitely rhymes… Though I’m honestly not sure what else they should do that wouldn’t result in all out civil war
Wow, so noble.
Shes fine with it.
Every stance she took will be adhered to, and she is going to get the Republicans in the cabinet that she wanted so bad.
Somehow I think the person who would have been the first female president is not “fine” with losing to Donald Trump.
If she really cared, maybe she would have declined the AIPAC money, set a redeemable platform, and sunk one of the easiest wins in US history.
She didnt do that though. Did she?
You’re in an echo chamber if you think the general population cares that much about the situation in Gaza. Funny how all you talking heads hyperfocus on this one aspect that most people don’t care enough about.
If you truly cared about it, then you would understand that Trump is going to be oh so much worse.
You and your ilk are a one note song.
+14 points against my -44, -17, and -18.
You are championing genocide.
Mathematical proof this is a pro-genocide fascist echo chamber.
Again, you right wing fascists are why Trump is in office.
I really hope that you will learn something from your pathetic electoral failure.
It’s not a matter of “not caring” to win. She miscalculated and campaigned wrong. Did Trump lose in 2020 because he didn’t care to win?
Oh ya, miscalculated a whole shit ton of money into her pocket, again, still keeps all of her stances intact, and gets to cha ching make the AIPAC money ring and bury the Democrats again in 4 years.
Youre right, its not that she doesnt care. Its that this is exactly what she planned.
Your sarcasm doesn’t make your nonsense into sense .
Ok whatever you say.
Exactly!
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I agree and stand the same. He is not and never was eligible to be a president. He is a fraud, a chronic liar and nothing else. I have zero respect for any of the three letter agencies in accepting his presence and with them, any of the “'supreme court judges” because they are not either. Not now and never.
America is Dead. This is but a corpse and those are maggots.
You’re just as bad as the stop the steal trumpers when you ignore the election. You need to accept the loss, you don’t have to just go back to doing nothing though. You can work to recruit voters to your side for the next 4 years instead of just the few months before.
Why didn’t the Dems cheat like they did in 2020? Strange. /S
Of course she made a concession speech. Because Democrats are constitutionally unable to accept the reality we voted into power 2016.
The party deserves extinction.
What are you even saying here?
