• AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml
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    3 hours ago

    Any analysis that gives agency to individual voters and not the campaign is blockheaded

    The people who didn’t vote for Blue Hitler aren’t the ones who forced Blue Hitler on the ballot.

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    Too soon was yesterday and earlier. The race is over - it’s time to rub our own representatives noses in their bullshit and hope our country limps along well enough to give them a chance to apply the lesson. …I’m not confident that opportunity will be on the table going forward.

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      If you’re still putting your trust and faith in anyone to represent you and your interests within this system, you might have some lessons to learn yourself…

      You can’t keep playing their game over and over expecting a different result.

      Direct action, mutual aid, dual power, horizontal governing. Those are the ways forward, not yet another cycle of electoral theatre.

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        I voted for the frying pan in hopes of avoiding the fire. I don’t have faith in any of them, but there’s a spectrum of awful they all fall on and I’d prefer to at least hang out on the less severe end of it.

        But you’re right, we absolutely cannot rely on this shit.

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          I’d prefer to at least hang out on the less severe end of it.

          That end is an illusion, the “lesser evil” is there to manufacture consent for evil in general, and to help shift the Overton window to the right.

          I’m not trying to have a go at you, I’m just frustrated and think people seriously need to be shaken out of this collective obedience to the rules of our oppressors. The existing system will never serve us, it is designed to do the opposite. If herr cheeto getting elected for a second term doesn’t do it, what the fuck will?

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            Naw you’re good. We’re on the same page.

            If herr cheeto getting elected for a second term doesn’t do it, what the fuck will?

            Not a damn thing. We don’t have it in us. By the time the masses are uncomfortable enough to get up off the couch and do something about it, it’ll be far too late. And I hate to say it, but self included.

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              We don’t have it in us. By the time the masses are uncomfortable enough to get up off the couch and do something about it, it’ll be far too late. And I hate to say it, but self included.

              I guess I never had the privilege of such comfort to begin with.

              Sadly I agree that many people will only act when personally affected, but I also think that A. more and more people are personally affected every day, and it’s going to get rapidly worse but more importantly B. the less we insist on conforming to and working within the rules we’ve been told by our oppressors to follow, the more people we will reach. People think that resistance is about guerrilla fighting and pipe bombing and overnight worldwide revolution, but it’s about building solidarity with your neighbours and co workers, unionising (at work, but also as renters for example), protecting the vulnerable people in your community, providing alternatives to the existing structures to ease the burden on ourselves and each other, all the things you need to make people feel safe enough to turn their backs on the status quo. There are ways for everyone to be included and participate to the best of their abilities, and while burnout and trauma and other difficulties and barriers are real, “not being personally affected yet” isn’t a valid barrier.

              You can’t run away from making a choice, they are already coming for your neighbours, and eventually they will come for you.

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        Not voting is the decision that you are fine with tyranny, bigotry, or what ever. So the non voter May as well believe in what ever the winner believes and be treated as such.

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          There’s different reasons to not vote.

          Some are disengaged. They don’t watch or read news, they often don’t even know what’s going on in the world around them.

          Some are disenfranchised. There are obstacles that make voting difficult and confusing, and sometimes even impossible.

          Some are dejected. After every election the Democrats mostly fail to help the people they promise to help during the elections.

          Turnout is way down. We have to analyze why, not just lump them in with MAGA.

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            Killing someone out of negligence is still killing and still a crime.

            I don’t see why the decision to not vote wouldn’t still be a decision for whatever the outcome of not voting is.

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              Twist: the poster above me wanted you to vote for someone actively committing genocide

              Felt like context needed to be added because your rhetoric is completely disconnected from reality

              And it’s disgusting

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                Oh wow you’re so smart, I’m sure trump won’t do worse!

                Fuck, I was hoping we were done with you people after you got what you wanted and trump won.

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            A vote not cast mathematically is equivalent to vote to the winner. There are tons of reasons one might have to abstain, but it’s their responsibility to acknowledge that them not voting against the winner helped the winner win. Now, if they don’t care that’s another matter, but that they facilitated the winner to win is true.

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                Don’t care, it’s the citizens responsibility to be informed.

                Not knowing that murder is ilegal doesn’t make it legal. Not knowing circulation laws or law changes doesn’t let you avoid a fine. It’s the resposability of the people that participate in society, in driving, in a democratic process, to be properly informed. If they decide not to inform themselves they must abide by the consequences of their actions.

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                  And it is the government’s responsibility to educate the public well enough to have the critical for thinking skills to be informed. See any connection there?

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            Yea, i know. And what i said still remains true. The disengaged do not care and are fine with tyranny or what ever, at least until it affects them. The careless fool. The disenfranchised were missing when they were needed most, they care, but not enough to surmount minor inconveniences. I have not heard of anyone who was prevented from voting only that it was inconvenient. The lazy fool. The dejected are people who care a lot, but know that you can never fix a system from within so why even try? The hapless fool. And then there is me. Who voted Democrat, knowing they are just a slower slide into tyranny, but did so because i believed that as long as i have any strength i must do all i can, leaving me the naive fool.

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                  Organize workers into militant labor unions and leverage them for political struggle. Inflation won’t go away, it’s a structural problem that comes from the collapse of the US empire. As economic conditions continue to worsen the unions will only grow larger and more powerful, regardless of what happens to the NLRB.