At some point I have to start wondering if Putin pays these sorts of people.

  • FundMECFSResearchOP
    88·
    18 days ago

    The thread the comment was in. Seemed like a very relevant question.

    https://lemmy.world/post/21619412

    Note that dessalines isn’t even a moderator of the community, but a lemmy.ml instance admin. Instance rule 1 is related to bigotry, so according to Lemmy dev dessalines, it’s bigoted to ask the russian population if they are oppressed or support their country invading ukraine.

  • illi@lemm.eeEnglish
    84·
    18 days ago

    I like it here on lemmy. But people like this being main devs leaves sour taste to it

    • FundMECFSResearchOP
      44·
      18 days ago

      I think a lot of people are going to switch to piefed once that gets more fleshed out. It federates with all lemmy but has a different and more open dev team working on it. They already have a bunch of cool features lemmy is currently lacking.

        • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
          16·
          18 days ago

          In many ways they already are ahead. The front end is a bit wonky though, and some of the foundational features are still catching up (it’s fully functioning though).

          For one thing, they have “categories” of communities, and for another I can block all users from any instance I choose - though there is really no easy way to accomplish that while still on Lemmy proper.

          But like when you upvote something, later it remembers that but won’t show you the color. The interface is really pretty though, and solves several of the issues I had with Lemmy, like another one is that you can turn on viewing or both the upvote and separate downvote counts, which for Lemmy iirc you can only see that for comments, but for posts that only shows on the mobile site yet not on the desktop for some reason.

          The PieFed devs are super responsive, quite extraordinary so imho. It’s like they care or something (uh… cause they do, ofc!:-).

          So especially since Lemmy is not perfect either, check out both Mbin and PieFed and just see them in action without an account, just for the fun of it.:-)

          • Serinus@lemmy.world
            15·
            18 days ago

            There’s no way Python and Flask are going to scale as well as Rust. It’s going to require more hardware to run and be able to handle fewer users.

            • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
              10·
              17 days ago

              The DB is all that matters. Python can scale very well through parallelization. So long as one doesn’t restrict themselves to one process, there’s really little chokepoint.

              • ad_on_is@lemm.eeEnglish
                1·
                16 days ago

                Nope… CPU and memory usage matter as well… if they get exhausted, you get throttling. This also has an impact on server-costs… Why run 2 instances of something that serves 4k requests/second over one instance that serves 9k/s (just an over-exaggerating example)

                • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
                  4·
                  16 days ago

                  That’s why I say if you don’t restrict to single process. As to why something which might be slightly more inefficient (it’s not going to be that much), it’s because of ease of development and pool of potential developers to help you with it.

      • SorteKanin@feddit.dk
        4·
        18 days ago

        I think a lot of people are going to switch to piefed

        The big problem is that it isn’t really possible for instances to switch from Lemmy to PieFed, or any other ActivityPub software.

        • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgEnglish
          3·
          17 days ago

          Once a Piefed instance is mature enough, I could consider asking a few communities I mod if they would be okay to migrate to it.

          !casualconversation@lemm.ee for instance doesn’t really need to be able to edit past posts, and we already moved from LW to lemm.ee. Moving again to another instance wouldn’t be that different.

          • SorteKanin@feddit.dk
            5·
            17 days ago

            That’s a highly specific comm though and most instances/comms would not be okay losing the history. You also inevitably stunt growth and lose some users during such a migration. It would be much better if ActivityPub allowed an instance to change its underlying representation, while keeping all the users and post and data but unfortunately this is basically impossible.

            • ye_olde_noob@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              1·
              7 days ago

              You could scrape the current community and update the db that populates the new one with all the old posts maybe? including the original time stamps? Not sure if thats possible.

              • SorteKanin@feddit.dk
                1·
                7 days ago

                That would only fix the community for your own instance (and your instance would be out of sync with other instances). This is not a viable solution.

            • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgEnglish
              1·
              16 days ago

              I would move !movies@lemm.ee and !dataisbeautiful@mander.xyz too, and I guess the people would still be okay.

              We created those communities here from scratch. What matters is the incoming content and discussions, archived threads are good for information but not much more.

              We have no content on any community here older than 1 year and a half except the ones on lemmy.ml, are those more popular than the LW, SJW or mander.xyz ones?

          • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
            1·
            16 days ago

            Yeah unfortunately it’s not quite ready for mainstream yet. I’ve noticed over the last several days that I’ve been using it a bunch of small UI things that would really frustrate someone without a high level of tolerance to such. e.g. you get a notification telling you that you have a message, you click it, but there’s no message; so you do a control-F to try to find it… nope, still no message; next you have to hunt through the entire page for every “expansion block” and “Continue thread” (which takes you to another page) and those “auto-collapse” (based on comment threshold), and I disabled “auto-hide” but surely that might really be a problem if there’s a Notification for something that becomes impossible to see later without changing your configuration settings.

            For extremely basic things it’s fine… mostly. Just never edit your messages and someone will be fine. I say that b/c you can’t edit comments in-line in the page where they are at, and once you are done editing one, it doesn’t take you back to it but rather to the OP thread instead. Whereupon again you have to hunt for your comment all over again as mentioned above. Which is especially annoying when you have to do it multiple times, b/c there is no Preview feature to let you know what is coming after you submit it - did you insert a space between your [alttext] (link here)? did you mess up your "quoting" rules? does an image not render?

            img

            (the above on purpose:-)

            On the other hand, they can allow YouTube embeds without having to wonder what is on the other side of that sus-looking link and click and leave the page. And personal instance blocks - that actually work - and categories, and like it will tell you, for every comment, both the time something was posted and the time it was last edited, woot!:-) There’s just a ton of fantastic features, more so than Lemmy in many ways, and yet at the same time less too - if that makes any sense at all.

            But then again, more people know how to code in Python, so I hope it will catch up soon:-). That might even be what we’re seeing now - the core UI needs to be not monkeyed around with by a bunch of people all working at cross-purposes, but then all these nice little additions could each be someone’s side project? But they need to get the core working too.

    • Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.cc
      12·
      18 days ago

      Now i recall why there’s a push against migrating to lemmy when reddit blackout happened. I thought it doesn’t really matter, turns out they’re right.

      • illi@lemm.eeEnglish
        13·
        17 days ago

        Yeah, it was and is the major issue with lemmy I think.

        On the other hand, it’s an open source project amd there are likely other contributors that don’t agree with them ideologically. And as long as you don’t interact with the .ml instance it should not effect you.

        There will be assholes everywhere.

      • Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        1·
        11 days ago

        It would be much better if more servers actively defederated or limited their server, that way the things they say and do would have less effect on the other servers that aren’t affiliated with them.

    • socsa@piefed.socialEnglish
      7·
      17 days ago

      It honestly makes me concerned about the broader security risks of using lemmy. There’s a lot of opportunity for them to target users they don’t like by serving them malicious content via lemmy.ml, and they have shown nothing to indicate that they are above this kind of thing imo.

      • illi@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        17 days ago

        There is a way to block an instance, no? Or maybe I don’t understand what you mean…

        • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
          3·
          16 days ago

          Not really. Well, instance admins can defederate from it, but as a normal user you have a pitifully small list of all not easy choices. First, a couple apps like Sync and Connect can (but for them I don’t know if they would block e.g. images from there); second is move to PieFed or Mbin (I moved to PieFed myself, but could not find this post there so had to come back to my previous account, as an alt now I guess, to be able to reply here - so it’s got issues); third is move to one of only 3 tiny instances that I’ve ever heard of that have blocked it; fourth is spin up your own instance, and defederate from them. The long version.

          Edit: oh, there is a basic Lemmy “instance block”, which blocks only communities on those instances - but not users, their posts, replies, votes, etc., and even that much was rolled back somewhere between 0.19.3 and 0.19.5 so that they can now send notifications to you. So it is very misleading named. The last one there is what almost caused me to leave the Fediverse entirely when I accidentally replied to one comment in ChapoTrapHouse and another somewhere in lemmygrad.ml. The replies to each kept coming in for WEEKS and WEEKS, long after I wanted it to end. The rule “remember the human” seemed to not apply to them.

  • NeuronautML@lemmy.ml
    21·
    16 days ago

    Pick whatever instance you find first, they said. It doesn’t really matter which one, you can participate all over lemmy, they said.

    Now every time i post a comment, people automatically assume I’m pro Russia and a tankie on account of having an account on lemmy.ml

    This sucks. I can’t believe I’m gonna have to migrate instances to be taken seriously on discussions.

        • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          5·
          16 days ago

          I was flabbergasted when I found out the word Chicken was sometimes censored. It would put removeden. Really saved me from those nuggets of hurtful baby hens.

          • Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            2·
            11 days ago

            I heard that the filter used to be hardcoded and there was a lot of controversy because the devs refused to remove it or allow it to be customized but they folded when people were willing to fork it to remove the limitation or remove it altogether.

    • neidu3@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      5·
      16 days ago

      We don’t believe you, you tankie vatnik.

      /s obviously.

      FYI, just making a new user on a different instance isn’t a big deal. Guess why there’s a “3” in my user name. Come to think of it, my first account was on lemmy.ml too, although the main reason why I moved at that time was because I forgot the password.

      • Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        1·
        11 days ago

        I probably would’ve signed up at lemmy.ml if they hadn’t closed registrations in the Reddit migration, very glad I didn’t though from what has happened there. I signed up to Lemmy.world instead, and even though it is problematic in many ways at least the Admins there aren’t trigger happy power tripping bastards, trying to promote their pro-russia tankie shit.

    • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgEnglish
      2·
      16 days ago

      See it in a positive way: now you can carefully choose an instance that you like compared to your previous account

      Also, this must be my 10th alt. It takes a few minutes to export/import the settings and that’s it

    • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
      2·
      15 days ago

      Don’t migrate because of the assumers; migrate to not subject yourself to an incompetent admin team.

    • Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      1·
      11 days ago

      Remember in the early days of the Fediverse when people said it was all about “freeze peach”? Yeah that was not good. Not only is it wrong and would disappoint and piss off a lot of people when they learn about defederation and that you can still get banned, but it also attracts a lot of extremely rotten people to the platform. Remember exploding-heads? Yeah that was a side effect of that lie to try and promote the Fediverse.

  • 7oo7@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    21·
    18 days ago

    Tankies haven’t learned that ignoring things to reduce visibility tend to be more effective censorship than creating a streisand effect.

    That’s how the west learnt to do deal with it. Manipulate it in the backend, not the front, and if caught, blame it on a bug.

  • socsa@piefed.socialEnglish
    19·
    17 days ago

    I legit would not be surprised if Dessalines takes money from some unsavory people to operate .ml as a kind of information war training ground.

    User donations are certainly not generating him any real cash flow.

      • refalo@programming.dev
        5·
        17 days ago

        much like codes of conduct I feel like it’s a false flag to handwave bad moderation using questionable interpretations of subjective terminology.

    • FundMECFSResearchOP
      29·
      18 days ago

      instance rule 1 is no bigotry.

      Since dessalines is not a mod but an instance admin I assume that’s the justification for the removal.

    • DarkThoughts@fedia.io
      11·
      18 days ago

      “Open-ended question”

      Edit: Why you two downvoting this? I literally just quoted the rule to answer their question. lol

      • FundMECFSResearchOP
        14·
        18 days ago

        I think the instance reason was why it was removed. Otherwise that would be extremely weird enforcement of open ended questions rule. Enforcing it on a random comment, while the original post itself is a single yes/no question…

  • nickwitha_k (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
    13·
    17 days ago

    I could see a strong argument for personal safety around such a question (potential for self-incrimination and going through windows) but bigotry is a head scratcher.

          • nickwitha_k (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
            2·
            16 days ago

            VPNs didn’t make things untraceable at all. That’s not what they are for. They are just a method for encrypting traffic between two networks that have connectivity to the public Internet. Traffic from your machine to the VPN entrypoint gets routed just like any other network traffic. A relatively passive MitM can readily see where packets are going to/arriving from based upon the headers.

    • FundMECFSResearchOP
      16·
      18 days ago

      Not my comment. I was just scrolling through the modlog because I got bored and was (unfortunately not suprised) by this questionable ML modding decision

      • Randomgal@lemmy.ca
        12·
        18 days ago

        Ah so it was just a typical “.ml bad hurr durr” post. Sorry, I thought it was something important.

        • FundMECFSResearchOP
          33·
          18 days ago

          Well to me it’s important that the main lemmy dev blantantly removes anything questioning Russia’s imperialist war in Ukraine but suit yourself.

          • Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            9·
            18 days ago

            I mean what implications would it have for Lemmy if their main dev became affiliated with possibly sanctioned Russian companies, probably wouldn’t mean good things for Lemmy as a project and since Sublinks is nowhere near there yet that could mean big problems for the Forums side of the Fediverse.

              • Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                7·
                17 days ago

                The problem is being able to migrate existing instances to those, not just having other software available. Current instances can’t easily move over at the drop of a hat, for many it would straight up kill them to have to start from scratch. And as far as I’m aware Lemmy Database isn’t compatible with either so they’d have to start from scratch on the new software.

                • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
                  8·
                  17 days ago

                  Thank you for the explanation.

                  Although there are existing instances of Mbin and PieFed that I would guess would not have that problem, bc they already have posts in their own respective formats? And any new Lemmy instance I thought would have the same issues - as in even if an older post would federate, the comments and votes that happened prior to that action would not (if I’m reading https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/1907501 correctly), plus even existing ones like aussie.zone seem like they can lose content if the backlog of bulk sending of actions does not get cleared within 7 days time.

                  Still, it’s an excellent point about existing instances already running Lemmy not wanting to switch to Mbin or PieFed, but that could perhaps switch to Sublinks.

                  Though individual users could move, and still keep posting to the same communities as they had been.

                • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgEnglish
                  4·
                  17 days ago

                  Once a Piefed instance is mature enough, I could consider asking a few communities I mod if they would be okay to migrate to it.

                  !casualconversation@lemm.ee for instance doesn’t really need to be able to edit past posts, and we already moved from LW to lemm.ee. Moving again to another instance wouldn’t be that different.

  • cows_are_underrated@feddit.org
    8·
    17 days ago

    To be fair, the first part of the sentence kinda sounds like an accusation against Russians. However, it isn’t something i would consider worthy to be deleted.

  • pelikan@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    8·
    17 days ago

    On the one hand, a quick check of the author’s posts shows that he is just an obvious pro-NATO shill and his question was in bad faith, so Dessalines did nothing wrong by kicking him out.

    On the other hand, this thread could have led to an insightful discussion that would have been interesting to read, so it’s a shame that it was removed.

    In the very beginning, .ml had the unique vibe of a truly decentralized international community with thousands of people from all over the world with different worldviews, leading to fiery and thought-provoking discussions in threads. Unfortunately, it is now actively turning into a hexbear/grad style far-left echo chamber.

    • drake@lemmy.sdf.org
      11·
      17 days ago

      This may be a controversial opinion, but I think instances and communities should just ban people for acting in bad faith. There’s very little actual insightful discussion that you can have without someone trying to just win some unilateral debate with some really obnoxious comments. I hate seeing people arguing and being rude all over the place.

      I try my best to be the change I want to see in the world, but it’s really tough sometimes to try and stay positive and constructive when you’re just enduring endless personal insults

      • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
        1·
        16 days ago

        Very true and very well said.

        Though multiple things can be true at once - if both OP was acting in bad faith (I didn’t look) and people get banned from Lemmy.ml at the drop of a hat, i.e. moderation is done in bad faith as well.

        I get what you are saying - and yes, compassion is awesome - but also, look at the history of that instance and you’ll see what I mean. If they really have lost the faith then they could step down as moderator of that instance and allow someone else to take that burden. Or just shut it down entirely (that’s what the dmv.social instance did, when they felt like the pressure was too much). Not that I am advocating for either option (especially since the next person who replaces them would likely be actively worse at this point?), but just pointing out that after receiving the bad vibes, spreading them further is still a matter of choice.

  • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    7·
    17 days ago

    I remember when the Ukraine war started and in the comments of one of the first reddit posts were full of Russian people saying how they hated it and they just wanted peace. Nowadays I can’t remember the last time I saw someone who is Russian on reddit or Lemmy really.