The United Nations said on Sunday Israeli tanks had burst through the gates of a base of its peacekeeping force in southern Lebanon, the latest accusation of Israeli violations and attacks that have been denounced by Israel’s own allies.
Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called on the United Nations to evacuate the troops of the UNIFIL peacekeeping force from combat areas in Lebanon. Hours later, the force reported what it described as additional Israeli violations, including two Israeli Merkava tanks destroying the main gate of a base and forcibly entering before dawn that morning.
Soon after the tanks left, shells exploded 100 metres away, releasing smoke which blew across the base and sickened U.N. personnel, causing 15 to require treatment despite wearing gas masks, it said. It did not say who fired the shells or what sort of toxic substance it suspected.
It also accused Israel’s IDF military of halting a logistics convoy. The Israeli military did not immediately respond to the statement.
This is fucking disgusting, and a testament that Israel believes they have so much control over the narrative by Cambridge Analiticising the major social networks and their owners that they feel they can get away with it. If there’s one thing I agree with Israel now, it’s that the UN was certainly wrong - by choosing after WW2, to legitimize the Nazi Haavara Agreements on partitioning Mandatory Palestine and enabling the neocolonialism that became Israel hidden under the faint veil of religious superiority claims. What the persecuted minorities needed were their homes and their wealth back, not an appointed figurehead to lead them into colonialism 2.0.
They’re controlling the narrative by learning who will vote for who in the US by using “which harry Potter character are you” apps on Facebook?
I don’t see the connection between Israeli Hasbara and what Cambridge Analytica did.
Fun fact: an Israeli paramilitary assassinated a UN mediator in 1948 because they were afraid his peace deal wouldn’t be good for the Israeli State
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte
The assassination was organized by Yitzhak Shamir, later elected prime minister of Israel.
Zionists have always been terrorists, attacking the UN since before they were even given an official State.
Im so shocked, its almost as if international law is made up by the global north in order to justify oppressing the global south while taking no accountability.
In its version of events, the Israeli military said militants of the Iran-backed group Hezbollah had fired anti-tank missiles at Israeli troops, wounding 25 of them. The attack was very close to a UNIFIL post and a tank helping evacuate the casualties under fire then backed into the UNIFIL post, it said. “It is not storming a base. It is not trying to enter a base. It was a tank under heavy fire, mass casualty event, backing up to get out of harm’s way,” the military’s international spokesperson Nadav Shoshani told reporters. In a statement, the military said it used a smoke screen to provide cover for the evacuation of the wounded soldiers but its actions posed no danger to the U.N. peacekeeping force.
OK, sounds plausible enough…
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a statement addressed to U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres: “The time has come for you to withdraw UNIFIL from Hezbollah strongholds and from the combat zones.” "The IDF has requested this repeatedly and has met with repeated refusal, which has the effect of providing Hezbollah terrorists with human shields
You want to have your cake and eat it too. Why do you want the peacekeepers out? Why not coordinate with them?
“I was just taking my tank platoon for a stroll on your lawn”
They want them out because they don’t want them caught in the crossfire. They serve no purpose there, so might as well GTFO before they get killed.
They don’t want to be observed. Just as with Gaza where they won’t let foriegn journalists in
Why would Israel be shooting at peacekeeping forces???
Their job is to record war crimes. Israel doesn’t like when people record their war crimes. Thats why they’ve murdered hundreds (thousands?) of journalists
Also because we all let them get away with it with no consequences.
Well there’s some. France has stopped sending weapons. Ireland has issued sanctions. The South Africans have fucking brought them to court for genocide. Nicaragua just cut diplomatic ties.
There’s been varying degrees of consequences from maybe a quarter of the world’s countries.
But we need more, of course. Especially from the US.
The UN troops have the right to defend themselves.
Especially with the Leclercs.
What’s the cannon for?
Rapid demilitarization.
I don’t see how it would do that.
Edit: Unless you mean its for blowing itself up?
You clearly aren’t familiar with the French military beyond memes.
You just need to know 3 words.
Nuclear Warning Shot.
Wait like the Actual UN?
I get that the UN has no real teeth, but the peacekeepers do have teeth.
The fuck is going on anymore. Like I get they have all sorts of freedom to fuck around because they have weapons given to them with no control over their use, but this seems to me they are truly beginning to test their fate.
Yeah. We’ve been warned multiple times over the past couple decades that the Israeli far right has expansion on the agenda. And we derided them as conspiracy theorists and/or terrorist apologists.
Well. Here we are.
Yeah, but this isn’t new. The Israeli paramilitary assassinated a UN mediator in 1948 because they were afraid his peace deal wouldn’t be good for the Israeli State
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte
The assassination was organized by Yitzhak Shamir, who was later elected as Israel’s prime minister.
oh it gets worse. The US is sending in ground troops to help. Missile defense ground troops, but ground troops all the same. When a few of them get killed (ij some fog of war event, I’m sure) we’ll send in a large armed contingent to “protect our lads”. Biden being Biden. He REALLY didnt want to leave the race.
My personal nightmare theory is Netanyahu believes one of two things. Biden will not stop him because he believes Israel must be supported at all costs or Biden believes he cannot take action against Israel until after the election. So it is Netanyahu’s goal to start a war with Iran before the election, and make sure the US is drawn in.
In this case we know the troops were not Biden’s idea. Netanyahu specifically requested them. And for either of the reasons above Biden immediately approved the request.
I sincerely hope it’s just depression thoughts. But I will not be surprised if we end up pulled into a war with Iran just before or during the traditional lame duck period. Obviously if Trump wins this is all even worse. But putting troops under Iranian missiles is a breathtaking escalation of the conflict.
They are literally attacking the UN and still we are expected to provide unquestioning support?
This isn’t new. They’ve been assassinating UN mediators since before they were even granted Statehood.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte
The assassination was organized by Yitzhak Shamir, who was later elected prime minister of Israel.
Israel is the Grim Reaper for UN. And a beloved adopted child of US who doesn’t care of its actual child UN. What a dysfunctional family
You know, even though it’s still rewarding Israel’s actions in a way, out of all the support the US is giving, this one I probably mind the least. It will prevent further innocent deaths (regardless of what side they are on, this is always a net positive), and it can’t be used by Israel against the Palestinian and Lebanese people. Let the US take over all of the defense of Israel if it means they stop delivering bombs and missiles that Israel will use to further their genocide.
That’s not how it will play out. By unconditionally defending Israel from counter-attack they’re emboldening them to keep fighting and provoking whoever they want. The Israelis know they’re immune to any repercussions from their aggression. They have nothing to fear, and will only further their attacks because of it. This will create more innocent deaths, not less.
Their hoping these “accidents” will convince the UN to leave…
Well, … yes that seems to be what will happen
“We don’t want witnesses to our human rights violations. These ‘accidents’ will keep happening until you leave.”
The Zionists don’t want witnesses. Thats why they’ve murdered 170 journalists in Gaza.
Why would they care? The whole world is witnessing it and no one is doing anything to stop them.
Because it’s easy to pull a trigger to permanently silence people who might become a slight inconvenience at most.
Has anyone informed Scorpius?!
Seriously though, Israel has proven over and over again that it has no respect for the UN whatsoever. Maybe it’s time to kick them out, at least until they have a fucking non-genocidal government.
What have those “peacekeepers” been doing for the past 20 years, aside from watching while Hezbollah turns southern Lebanon into a terrorist base? Do they snack on popcorn while watching Hezbollah’s rockets fly into Israel?
Maybe you could look into it. Do you think there might be some sort of big global network of computers full of information you could use to find out?
I think we should buy DarthJohn a plane ticket and a journalist vest.
You should use that network to look up “rhetorical question”
Your rhetorical question better be backed up with evidence if you don’t want it getting deleted.
Seems like UN is Hamas.
I had a good feeling you were being sarcastic… but I have former acquaintances who have unironically posted things along the lines of “The UN says Israel’s doing war crimes? They must have been paid off by Hamas.”
So yeah, hard to tell nowadays.
You can’t possibly believe that.
I thought “X is Hamas” is a fairly well established meme on Lemmy by this point.
Like I said elsewhere: Poe’s Law. There are people who actually believe that sort of nonsense unfortunately.
Edit: In fact, someone just replied to me agreeing with you, except they’re serious.
I mean yeah isn’t it sarcasm?
Oh, but they do Squid. Their comment/post history tells the story.
That’s not true. You should look again at their comment history. Their comment above was making fun of Israel’s tendency to retroactively label whoever they kill as Hamas.
Why the fuck are you lying about something we can all so easily verify?
Bullshit, I went through their post history and it isn’t zionist. Stop that.
You’re either perpetuating the deep sarcasm or you ain’t reading right. 😅 If the former - applause.
Well that’s depressing.
It’s also untrue. Check their history for yourself. They’re critical of Israel and sympathetic to the people Israel is bombing.
They’re lying to you.
Fascists gonna fash.
The spoiled child of the middle east throwing a temper tantrum that has hurt people.
Now what will Biden do to reign in Bibi and his mercenaries?
Its faster to quantify what Biden would Not do for Netenyahu than figure out what he will do. i cant think of a single thing Biden wouldnt do if Netenyahu told him to. He’d cheerfully drop to his knees and felate the entire IDF if told to, and then write Netenyahu another check of our tax money, to thank the IDF for the opportunity.
Nothing. It’s election year. If Biden does something, then Harris is going to be asked to up the ante which could be criticized as a running promise that might not be followed up on and cost her points
That’s the only credit I will give Trump. He’s not afraid to throw guarantees and promises around like they’re Halloween candy. Now him following up on them (especially that don’t benefit him or his friends) is a different story…
This is how Israel does diplomacy. They are trying to de-escalate through escalation.
They’re acting like a bratty kid. Wtf
What bratty kid that you know murdered their school counceler?
EDIT: After further research, and a few high-school level insults, I’m fairly certain, given the mind-boggling complexities of what went down in 1948, (like to what degree the British are to blame for however much of the violence, or how did the population of Arab-Jews factor into anything) that I am seriously under qualified to make the assessment that I made. I’m not sure anyone even can (although numerous books have written about it, one of which my Zionist parents tried to push on me), unless they were a truly neutral, on the ground observer at the time. (Maybe it’s another reason to have a different term, since saying it is loaded doesn’t even seem sufficient.)
I wish people would stop throwing around the term Zionist willy-nilly. It’s not accurate to the situation, and I don’t understand why it was twisted into this weird genocidal war-mongering meaning that has nothing to do with the word itself.Now, clearly, there is a large portion of the Israeli government/military/and I guess, population, that is intent on genocide and war mongering, and it’s sickening and they need to be stopped.
I just don’t like this term being used inaccurately. Maybe I’m being pedantic.The term “Zionist” itself does not inherently imply war-mongering or a desire for genocide. Zionism originally refers to the movement for the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in what is now Israel, beginning in the late 19th century. It emerged as a response to centuries of persecution, including pogroms in Europe, and sought to create a safe, sovereign space for Jews.However, over time, some have associated Zionism, especially in its modern form, with certain political actions taken by the State of Israel. Critics of Israeli policies, particularly regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, may use “Zionist” to refer to those who support aggressive military actions or expansionist policies, which clearly are contributing to extreme violence and the attempted genocide of Palestinians. This is where the connotation of war-mongering or even genocidal intent comes into play, often in highly polarized or emotionally charged discussions.It’s important to note that many Zionists strongly reject these characterizations. They argue that Zionism is about self-determination for Jewish people. Equating Zionism with war-mongering or genocide often reflects political bias or misunderstanding of the broader spectrum of Zionist thought, which ranges from more moderate to more hardline positions.The term can thus be polarizing, with very different meanings and implications depending on the speaker’s perspective and the context.
Zionism is a settler colonial ideology that aims at creating a Jewish ethno-state in Palestine. It cannot exist without violence. You can’t colonize someone else’s land without violence, and you can’t commit this violence without rationalizing it through dehumanizing the colonized. The genocide against the indigenous Palestinians is the logical consequence of their dehumanization that spans now over more than a century.
You people are like leftist zombies, you just mindlessly repeat the same phrases over and over and over again. Of course you can’t engage with the issues beyond your catchphrases and clam up as soon as someone starts challenging you.
And you’re making such a compelling counter argument.
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I would love some citations, because my research did not indicate any kind of requirement for a Jewish ethno-state inside Gaza. Palestine and Israel are the same thing, so that’s what the settlement was about. Not Gaza.
Because you genuinely seem to care I think 10 myths about Israel by Ilan Pappe would be a relevant resource. I think it’s a nice compromise between working scientifically (I.e. citing sources where necessary) and being accessible. It’s not a scientific book but it’s written by a credible Israeli researcher.
I will be honest, it’s very biased in a sense that it’s anti-Zionist. But I think once you read about the history of Zionism it’s difficult to remain unbiased about it.
That being said, a lot of damage has been done by the British before the establishment of Israel and a lot of damage has been done since it’s establishment, but the book also offers a perspective for moving on.
This perspective would be the establishment of an actual democratic state with equal rights for everyone and an acknowledgment of the rights of Palestinians to their land, their culture, and their history. Such a democratic state is possible, and it would not favor any ethnicity or religion. And here’s the catch: it would go against the Zionist ideology because it wouldn’t be a „Jewish“ state anymore (more like ethno-supremacist).
I hope that makes sense and I think other commenters may have snapped at you too fast .
You are the second person to recommend this. Not only am I going to purchase a physical copy, but I’m going to craftily leave it sitting on my parents’ coffee table when I’m done.
The ethno-state problem exists regardless of where you draw the lines. A state cannot be both designed for ethnic superiority and treat those from other ethnicities as equals. You can’t maintain that inequality without violence.
Are you intentially being obtuse or just incredibly stupid? In order to create the Jewish ethno-state called “israel” the people who lived there were murdered, raped, and forcibly displaced. Furthermore, in the time since its creation, they have been excluded from having citizenship and representation in the government. This is known as apartheid. Within this ethno-state, these non-jews have continued to be evicted from their homes. And no, you subject changing genocide supporter, I am not talking about gaza or the west bank, though the crimes in those places are also numerous. So, again, I ask, when you make the claim that zionism is not a settler colonial belief, are you being intentionally obtuse or are you incredibly stupid?
This is almost entirely false.
- Jews have always lived in Palestine, for thousands of years. Jews and Arabs are both indigenous to the region. Jews purchased land and moved in. The violence was brought by the Arabs, who spent about 20 years attacking Jews and trying to drive them out. The war that led to the displacement and death was started by Arab nations invading Israel to destroy it. All of that, and the ensuing 75 years of violence, could have been avoided if the Arabs accepted either of the two partition plans that would have given the Palestinians their own state.
- Arabs are not excluded from citizenship in Israel. There are about 2 million Arab citizens of Israel with full rights as Israeli citizens. There is an Arab political party in the Knesset. There is an Arab on the Supreme Court. The Palestinians don’t have the same rights because they are not Israel citizens by choice. They are governed by Hamas and the PA. I can tell by your comments you are clearly someone who gets all their information about the conflict from either TikTok or from your keffiyeh-wearing buddies on your college campus.
This isn’t about religion. Don’t use the word Jew or Arab. This is a conflict between Zionists and Palestinians.
Yes, there have always been Jews in Palestine. The creation of Israel was an act by European zionists and the UK. Yes, when a foreign invader arrives and declares their own state (this after the land was taken from the ottomans by the UK) the local population and supporting neighbors tend to fight back. Would you accept foreigners coming to your country demanding it be partitioned? When only 64% of the population is allowed to participate in the government, the vast majority of them from one ethnic group, there is a problem. There is no path to Israeli citizenship for those in Gaza or the West Bank.
You clearly are a supporter of the geonicide, the settlements, the throwing Palestinians out of their homes, burning their fields, killing, raping, spitting on them as they walk the street below in jerseleum, and the myriad of crimes isrealis commit daily. You can not dismiss these crimes by belittling me, that only reveals you without your mask on.
So…that’s a no to any citations?
I’m not the same person, dumbass.
Precision in language is a worthy goal, and another thread and time would be a fine place for a discussion about Theodore Herzl being a gigantic piece of shit who was a wrecker for what may have been a nobler movement among successful high-status Jews in wealthier parts of the Pale of Settlement during one extremely narrow time and context.
Unfortunately, you can’t just start a conversation that’s the equivalent of “swastikas are good luck charms” without seeming like an asshole.
Oh I knew I would seem like an asshole. Fortunately this is the internet, and there aren’t really penalties for that (for better or worse). And yes, I am actually very intrigued by the discussion you propose. I’ve also been reading further after people started replying to my comment. I’m fairly certain, given the mind-boggling complexities of what went down in 1948, (like to what degree the British are to blame for however much of the violence, or how did the population of Arab-Jews factor into anything) that I am seriously under qualified to make the assessment that I made. I’m not sure anyone even can (although numerous books have written about it, one of which my Zionist parents tried to push on me), unless they were a truly neutral, on the ground observer at the time. I think I will append my comment, but leave it up, since I own what I said, despite how views can rapidly evolve.
Thank you for clarifying, and good luck on your quest. Arab Jews and local Palestinian Jews later termed Mizrahi were treated particularly awfully by the Zionists, there was even a false-flag Zionist militia bombing of an Iraqi Jewish synagogue.
For your earlier questions, I recommend chapters 1 through 6 of Ten Myths About Israel by Ilan Pappé if you haven’t encountered it already.
https://www.versobooks.com/books/2430-ten-myths-about-israel
