Trump is not running a political campaign. He's running a disinformation campaign.
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He's not just lying. He's creating an alternative reality.
  • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    60·
    2 months ago

    The statements he is making would have had anyone socially ostracized and effectively exiled. Yet, here is a presidential candidate saying the most batshit things you have ever heard. Schools performing gender affirming operations? How the fuck you get to the point where you believe that? Show me the operating room in the school. This is why I believe we are fucked. This doesnt go away, not even if Trump dies. We have to find a way to deprogram or find a way to build resistance to this bullshit so that when our generations die out, the following ones are less prone to propaganda and manipulation. And gee, I wonder Why Rubepublicans have been destroying education for longer than I have been alive.

    • orbitz@lemmy.ca
      29·
      2 months ago

      I bet if you scoured his printed quotes by day you could find something that’d have disqualified anyone else for each day. Yet some people actually believe the shit that comes out of his upper anus.

    • LerajeEnglish
      8·
      2 months ago

      His lies/alternate reality are not so much believed as embraced - the people who support him already loathe and hate the things he’s talking about. All he’s doing is lending them legitimacy. Most people are, by and large, reactionary and seek out things and people that confirm their own beliefs. Nothing here is new apart from the scale of it and the new technical ability to increase that scale.

    • Soup@lemmy.cafeEnglish
      4·
      2 months ago

      He doesn’t believe any of it. He just knows his loyalists and followers are fucking stupid. So he’s taking advantage of this for votes. He’s desperate.

      The problem is. He’s hit his threshold. He’s not picking up new voters. So he’s going further into the abyss to try and get the full-time bat shit insane voters.

  • BarqsHasBite@lemmy.world
    17·
    2 months ago

    Yeah that’s pretty much it.

    I think even Fox is amazed that people believe all this shit. They took it so slow at their start, but recently everything has shown people just eat up the most insane shit.

  • Zeshade@lemmy.world
    12·
    2 months ago

    However you look at it it always boils down to marketing and comms. Everyone looks for the best way to get the votes, testing how far they can go. But the left can’t afford to be unethical because that’s part of their identity and they would lose their core voters. The right however… Found trump.

    It sounds lame but the best way for the democrats to win is to get people to vote. I believe that was the single reason behind Obama’s ama on Reddit a few years back.

    • ToastedPlanetOPEnglish
      7·
      2 months ago

      There are 27 days until the election closes and there are still people saying things along the lines of “wanting to maintain leverage on the Democrats by not voting”. That’s 27 days to tell people there wont be a democracy if they don’t vote and no Democratic Party left to leverage against. Republicans want to end our democracy and jail their political opponents.

      • Soup@lemmy.cafeEnglish
        5·
        2 months ago

        They know. At this point they either don’t care, or they’re MAGA. Either way, they’re not being converted. Best to just point an shame them as it’s about all they deserve.

        Love the enthusiasm though!

        • ToastedPlanetOPEnglish
          5·
          2 months ago

          We need every single vote. There’s no way to know how many people are on the tipping point of changing the outcome of this election. We have to act under the assumption that there are still minds that are close to being changed. As long as there is still time to advert fascism we need to be hitting the gas pedal of our most effective strategies.

          Social media is an opportunity to communicate with people on a scale unprecedented in human history. On sites like Lemmy, users can argue in writing, at length, with each other from across the planet, in theory without delay. We can talk to people over the internet. On the off chance that talking to people has any capacity to change peoples’ minds whatsoever, then we should make full use of that.

          Since we have social media platforms, refuting the arguments of accelerationists is the best way to take the wind out of their movement. In general, people want to act in their own self-interest. If we make the choice as clear as possible, then people will want to strategically vote for Kamala.

          • Soup@lemmy.cafeEnglish
            4·
            2 months ago

            Yeah… you’re not tipping the tankies man. They’re hell bent on watching America fall. Though under normal circumstances, I’m all with ya, but I’d almost believe that you would have an easier time convincing MAGA to vote for a democrat before any these tankies will.

            • ToastedPlanetOPEnglish
              2·
              2 months ago

              There are people from across the political spectrum on Lemmy from anarchists to fascists and tankies. And everyone in between. Accelerationism is not limited to any political ideology. Everyone is susceptible to accelerationism because accelertionism is rooted in the idea that things have to get worse in order for them to get better. The opposite is true, things get better by making them better. But anyone can be tempted by the idea that they can make things better by watching them burn.

              The only way we can build a better society is by putting out the fires. We have to alert people that there is no bottom. Things can always get worse. People will double down on bad ideas if they aren’t shown a better way. So as long as there is still time and we have a way to communicate this, we should do so. We may not be able to convince the tankies and the fascists between now and the election, but we can outnumber them.

              • Soup@lemmy.cafeEnglish
                1·
                2 months ago

                I applaud your optimism. It’s just that I’ve been around a while and I’ve seen that every election year- it’s the same shit. The GOP trolls the disenfranchised to the point where the line blurs and there becomes less and less difference between far lefties and republicans when it comes to voting.

                They refuse to understand that not voting supports Trump and there is NO getting through to them.

                But I’d never tell you to stop trying.

                • ToastedPlanetOPEnglish
                  1·
                  2 months ago

                  The GOP trolls the disenfranchised to the point where the line blurs and there becomes less and less difference between far lefties and republicans when it comes to voting.

                  Despite this, Biden won in 2020. There is every reason Kamala can do the same if enough people vote. We can spell out the difference to people no matter how much trolling there is.

                  They refuse to understand that not voting supports Trump and there is NO getting through to them.

                  In my experience on Lemmy, I have seen people reject accelerationism. People have come around to strategically voting for a Democratic Party candidate. People can change their minds.

                  It’s just that I’ve been around a while and I’ve seen that every election year- it’s the same shit.

                  Being apathetic is giving the Republicans exactly what they want. It is not a more accurate view of the world nor is it useful to us now on the edge of another fascist takeover attempt by Republicans.

                  I don’t care how old you are. You’re an active user who is perfectly capable of arguing effectively. We need people like you to keep trying. Refuting a central point is both more efficient and more effective. If you see an opportunity to refute accelerationist arguments, please take it.

      • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        2 months ago

        I’m not sure they want to only jail their political opponents. The unhinged magamonkeys are seething over lots of nonsense their thought leaders dream up on the daily, and many are stroking off to shooting their neighbors, co-workers, family members and all over a bunch of lies. If they won’t pull the trigger themselves, they seem positively giddy about the idea of putting people on trains.

        • ToastedPlanetOPEnglish
          3·
          2 months ago

          Trump wants to put homeless people in camps and Republicans want to remove civil rights protections for trans people, lgbtq+ people in general, and people of color in the work place. It’s hard to pay rent or house payments without a job. They want to make as many people homeless as possible and then give them a choice between prisons and death camps. Since they will be legalizing the death penalty wherever they can the difference between the two will be negligible.

          So in short yes. Between the ethnic cleansing of immigrants and deaths camps it’s going to be full on fascism. People seem to think they can wait out fascism. It probably wouldn’t hurt to mention that we won’t be able to leverage the Democratic Party while we are digging our own mass graves.

          On the bright side, there is still time to do something about it. I think throwing this link around between now and the election would be useful. It’s an easier way to process 900 pages.

          https://www.25and.me/?topics=